My 1.8d van costs £180 a year tax and does 50-60 mpg.
Then theres the £800 insurance, So to keep my van on the road for a year its going to cost me £1015 and thats with no fuel or replacement parts.

Since feb I have done 7500 miles, at £1.09 a liter and 55mpg its going to cost me about £750 for fuel next year!

Thats a total of £1765 for a (estimated) years motoring, now thats f**king stupid!

Im going to start stealing fuel soon.

^^

my yearly fuel bill is ~£18,000  

(my car, vans at work, etc. etc.)

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Quote from: MarkIts actually happening on Saturday, so more people have the opportunity to join the protests.

I for one am sick of the amount of tax we have to pay, and fuels constant rise is the last straw. I give those filthy scumbags well over £2000 tax a month and they still expect me to bend over and take it in the rear for every drop of fuel I use to make them tax off MY money.

They apparently have threatened to use the army this time.

Those fat losers are so far removed from the real people they dont realise what an affect their greed and communism has.

Says Mr 500 horsies under the bonnet of a huge lump.

Get yourself a firkin small car with a more efficient engine. If you only get 9 miles to the gallon then that is your fault not theirs. If you use the stuff then you have to accept that you gotta pay for it.

I pay for petrol for my brothers car occasionally and £20 for half a tank is a lot lighter than £50 or more.

My daily driver does almost 100mpg and I run on a blend of diesel and vegetable oil.

Dont worry too much about me, Im just being a grumpy old man TBH

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Quote from: mr_rollI think petrol prices are to expensive, but I cant understand if all the big oil companies make billions of pounds a year, surely they could work with car companies to get a hydrogen distribution system. We could then use fuel cells.
 

why would they want to spend money on that when if they do nothing they can make even more

thats an awfully naive statement

They could still make a load of money on Hydrogen and then still save the world, everyone wins.

Of course I have no figures to back this up, its my own opinion, but I doubt itd take all the oil companies profits to invent a hydrogen distribution network.

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Quote from: mr_rollI think petrol prices are to expensive, but I cant understand if all the big oil companies make billions of pounds a year, surely they could work with car companies to get a hydrogen distribution system. We could then use fuel cells.
 

why would they want to spend money on that when if they do nothing they can make even more

thats an awfully naive statement

They could still make a load of money on Hydrogen and then still save the world, everyone wins.

Of course I have no figures to back this up, its my own opinion, but I doubt itd take all the oil companies profits to invent a hydrogen distribution network.

Hydrogen is hugely inefficient to produce. Takes massive amounts of electricity to generate enough from sea water, and I am pretty sure they more commonly use another method that generates toxic or corrosive by-products, at least I remember reading something about that anyway

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Quote from: Edd

Quote from: mr_rollI think petrol prices are to expensive, but I cant understand if all the big oil companies make billions of pounds a year, surely they could work with car companies to get a hydrogen distribution system. We could then use fuel cells.
 

why would they want to spend money on that when if they do nothing they can make even more

thats an awfully naive statement

They could still make a load of money on Hydrogen and then still save the world, everyone wins.

Of course I have no figures to back this up, its my own opinion, but I doubt itd take all the oil companies profits to invent a hydrogen distribution network.

Hydrogen is hugely inefficient to produce. Takes massive amounts of electricity to generate enough from sea water, and I am pretty sure they more commonly use another method that generates toxic or corrosive by-products, at least I remember reading something about that anyway

But surely there are scientists and companies around the world that are developing new ways to produce hydrogen... Where a big cash injection say from Shell could bring their research forward a great deal.

See if Shell, for example, came up with the idea, to produce hydrogen and they got it all patented up, then they could make even more money by licensing it to BP.

Theres a gas distribution system appearing on the Welsh coast if you watched that thing that delayed Top Gear this week...  Was pretty impressive

who cares how many MPG the car does, it still gets more expensive all the time whether your getting 900 or 9 mpg, its a bit commie to force people into smaller cars by sticking the costs up IMO

QuoteBut surely there are scientists and companies around the world that are developing new ways to produce hydrogen... Where a big cash injection say from Shell could bring their research forward a great deal.

See if Shell, for example, came up with the idea, to produce hydrogen and they got it all patented up, then they could make even more money by licensing it to BP.

Sure they could put loads of money into researching cheaper hydrogen but the shareholders would understandably kick off. They could throw billions at it and possibly get very little back.

Shell are making a lot of money now so why would they want to change the market and risk it all.

exactly what paulus said

mr roll sounds like 1 of these hippy greenpeace types
*spit*

Its the only way to seriously make people reconsider their lifestyles.

Screw reconsidering lifestyles...

Theres another way of doing this than eeking back to the dark ages.  Accelerate industry and let development solve the problems.  Its looking increasingly likely that a private company wil start launching solar panels into space and beaming power back to the earth.  100% clean, localized so minimal distribution needed, etc etc.

This idea that simply cutting everything back at the cost of progress is the only answer seems misguided tbh.  That said the people protesting the fuel costs can get lost.  Theyre not trying to find alternatives theyre just complaining.  Business models change and trucking is one of them.  TBH these guys should be back on the railways for the benefit of all of us.  One freed up lane on all motorways would free up almost all road expansion costs for the government for years.  Traffic congestion would drop through the floor without trucks and lorries overtaking.  That money and the commercial interests could easily expand and improve the countrys rail infrastructure in only a matter of a couple of years.  Fixed rail network and congestion free roads by 2010 anyone?

Id rather see them laying railway track than complaining.

might as well, its not like people enjoy using the trains, just make em exclusively a freight carrying infrastructure

I enjoy the trains in france, they are really really good.

virgin trains are ok with reservations etc...

anyone find it weired that even tho its been all over the web since monday, none of the news channels/programs have even mentioned it?