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they will solve nothing.
Works for the French.
they must be stupid...
Even though its unrelated (wrong type of fuel but it wont matter) itll just take one paper or tv show to say they are blocking fuel for old people at christmas and theyll lose all support for their cause.
If you make christmas miserable for even a tiny proportion of the population this group will be hated.
What I dont get is... Petrol barrels are set in dollars. The £ buys about 2$ right now which is huge. So why isnt petrol immensly cheap when we have a strong pound?
I got an email about this today.
QuoteDear David,
Last week I was informed that a group called Transaction 2007 had plans this weekend to release a statement announcing some kind of protest action relating to the price of fuel in the UK. I have just read a statement published on their web site in which they have confirmed that they are going to organise legal protest action, and that it could begin as early as this Wednesday.
I have got more on the PetrolPrices.com blog about this:
http://www.petrolprices.com/blog/petrol-price-protests-planned-for-this-wednesday-86.html
We will of course be following the story as it unfolds next week to keep you informed. If you want to express your opinion about the plans you can do so on our blog, as always, by leaving your comments and voting in our polls.
Regards,
Brendan
thank f**k im not in the uk on wednesday :)
I remember the last time this happened, rows of Essex idiots in their SUVs and 4X4s lined up complaining about the price of petrol when their vehicles drink over three times the average. If anything it weakens their argument rather than support it.
Its actually happening on Saturday, so more people have the opportunity to join the protests.
I for one am sick of the amount of tax we have to pay, and fuels constant rise is the last straw. I give those filthy scumbags well over £2000 tax a month and they still expect me to bend over and take it in the rear for every drop of fuel I use to make them tax off MY money.
They apparently have threatened to use the army this time.
Those fat losers are so far removed from the real people they dont realise what an affect their greed and communism has.
Ive been keeping my car topped up recently rather than running it dry as I usually do. I can last about 2 weeks with a tank while working so if something silly does take place I should be ok.
Quote from: MarkIts actually happening on Saturday, so more people have the opportunity to join the protests.
I for one am sick of the amount of tax we have to pay, and fuels constant rise is the last straw. I give those filthy scumbags well over £2000 tax a month and they still expect me to bend over and take it in the rear for every drop of fuel I use to make them tax off MY money.
They apparently have threatened to use the army this time.
Those fat losers are so far removed from the real people they dont realise what an affect their greed and communism has.
Says Mr 500 horsies under the bonnet of a huge lump.
Get yourself a firkin small car with a more efficient engine. If you only get 9 miles to the gallon then that is your fault not theirs. If you use the stuff then you have to accept that you gotta pay for it.
I pay for petrol for my brothers car occasionally and £20 for half a tank is a lot lighter than £50 or more.
Quote from: SeriousQuote from: MarkIts actually happening on Saturday, so more people have the opportunity to join the protests.
I for one am sick of the amount of tax we have to pay, and fuels constant rise is the last straw. I give those filthy scumbags well over £2000 tax a month and they still expect me to bend over and take it in the rear for every drop of fuel I use to make them tax off MY money.
They apparently have threatened to use the army this time.
Those fat losers are so far removed from the real people they dont realise what an affect their greed and communism has.
Says Mr 500 horsies under the bonnet of a huge lump.
Get yourself a firkin small car with a more efficient engine. If you only get 9 miles to the gallon then that is your fault not theirs. If you use the stuff then you have to accept that you gotta pay for it.
I pay for petrol for my brothers car occasionally and £20 for half a tank is a lot lighter than £50 or more.
Hasnt Mark got an Citroen AX too?
I dont think road tax is bad tbh, about £64 for 6 months isnt that bad.
I think petrol prices are to expensive, but I cant understand if all the big oil companies make billions of pounds a year, surely they could work with car companies to get a hydrogen distribution system. We could then use fuel cells.
I dont agree with the tax rise on LPG which was along with the rise a few weeks ago.
Ive just put 55litres in the zed, should be good for 610+miles/couple of weeks.
Im all for the protests, not just for the fuel tax but I think this country just takes it up the ass from the govt without complaining far too often.
Just hope they are supported by the media aswell.
QuoteI think petrol prices are to expensive, but I cant understand if all the big oil companies make billions of pounds a year, surely they could work with car companies to get a hydrogen distribution system. We could then use fuel cells.
How would that help ? Hydrogen is expensive
Quote from: SeriousQuote from: MarkIts actually happening on Saturday, so more people have the opportunity to join the protests.
I for one am sick of the amount of tax we have to pay, and fuels constant rise is the last straw. I give those filthy scumbags well over £2000 tax a month and they still expect me to bend over and take it in the rear for every drop of fuel I use to make them tax off MY money.
They apparently have threatened to use the army this time.
Those fat losers are so far removed from the real people they dont realise what an affect their greed and communism has.
Says Mr 500 horsies under the bonnet of a huge lump.
Get yourself a firkin small car with a more efficient engine. If you only get 9 miles to the gallon then that is your fault not theirs. If you use the stuff then you have to accept that you gotta pay for it.
I pay for petrol for my brothers car occasionally and £20 for half a tank is a lot lighter than £50 or more.
My daily driver does almost 100mpg and I run on a blend of diesel and vegetable oil.
Quote from: mr_rollI think petrol prices are to expensive, but I cant understand if all the big oil companies make billions of pounds a year, surely they could work with car companies to get a hydrogen distribution system. We could then use fuel cells.
why would they want to spend money on that when if they do nothing they can make even more
thats an awfully naive statement
My 1.8d van costs £180 a year tax and does 50-60 mpg.
Then theres the £800 insurance, So to keep my van on the road for a year its going to cost me £1015 and thats with no fuel or replacement parts.
Since feb I have done 7500 miles, at £1.09 a liter and 55mpg its going to cost me about £750 for fuel next year!
Thats a total of £1765 for a (estimated) years motoring, now thats f**king stupid!
Im going to start stealing fuel soon.
^^
my yearly fuel bill is ~£18,000 :(
(my car, vans at work, etc. etc.)
Quote from: MarkQuote from: SeriousQuote from: MarkIts actually happening on Saturday, so more people have the opportunity to join the protests.
I for one am sick of the amount of tax we have to pay, and fuels constant rise is the last straw. I give those filthy scumbags well over £2000 tax a month and they still expect me to bend over and take it in the rear for every drop of fuel I use to make them tax off MY money.
They apparently have threatened to use the army this time.
Those fat losers are so far removed from the real people they dont realise what an affect their greed and communism has.
Says Mr 500 horsies under the bonnet of a huge lump.
Get yourself a firkin small car with a more efficient engine. If you only get 9 miles to the gallon then that is your fault not theirs. If you use the stuff then you have to accept that you gotta pay for it.
I pay for petrol for my brothers car occasionally and £20 for half a tank is a lot lighter than £50 or more.
My daily driver does almost 100mpg and I run on a blend of diesel and vegetable oil.
Dont worry too much about me, Im just being a grumpy old man TBH :D
Quote from: EddQuote from: mr_rollI think petrol prices are to expensive, but I cant understand if all the big oil companies make billions of pounds a year, surely they could work with car companies to get a hydrogen distribution system. We could then use fuel cells.
why would they want to spend money on that when if they do nothing they can make even more
thats an awfully naive statement
They could still make a load of money on Hydrogen and then still save the world, everyone wins.
Of course I have no figures to back this up, its my own opinion, but I doubt itd take all the oil companies profits to invent a hydrogen distribution network.
Quote from: mr_rollQuote from: EddQuote from: mr_rollI think petrol prices are to expensive, but I cant understand if all the big oil companies make billions of pounds a year, surely they could work with car companies to get a hydrogen distribution system. We could then use fuel cells.
why would they want to spend money on that when if they do nothing they can make even more
thats an awfully naive statement
They could still make a load of money on Hydrogen and then still save the world, everyone wins.
Of course I have no figures to back this up, its my own opinion, but I doubt itd take all the oil companies profits to invent a hydrogen distribution network.
Hydrogen is hugely inefficient to produce. Takes massive amounts of electricity to generate enough from sea water, and I am pretty sure they more commonly use another method that generates toxic or corrosive by-products, at least I remember reading something about that anyway :)
Quote from: M3ta7h3adQuote from: mr_rollQuote from: EddQuote from: mr_rollI think petrol prices are to expensive, but I cant understand if all the big oil companies make billions of pounds a year, surely they could work with car companies to get a hydrogen distribution system. We could then use fuel cells.
why would they want to spend money on that when if they do nothing they can make even more
thats an awfully naive statement
They could still make a load of money on Hydrogen and then still save the world, everyone wins.
Of course I have no figures to back this up, its my own opinion, but I doubt itd take all the oil companies profits to invent a hydrogen distribution network.
Hydrogen is hugely inefficient to produce. Takes massive amounts of electricity to generate enough from sea water, and I am pretty sure they more commonly use another method that generates toxic or corrosive by-products, at least I remember reading something about that anyway :)
But surely there are scientists and companies around the world that are developing new ways to produce hydrogen... Where a big cash injection say from Shell could bring their research forward a great deal.
See if Shell, for example, came up with the idea, to produce hydrogen and they got it all patented up, then they could make even more money by licensing it to BP.
Theres a gas distribution system appearing on the Welsh coast if you watched that thing that delayed Top Gear this week... Was pretty impressive
who cares how many MPG the car does, it still gets more expensive all the time whether your getting 900 or 9 mpg, its a bit commie to force people into smaller cars by sticking the costs up IMO
QuoteBut surely there are scientists and companies around the world that are developing new ways to produce hydrogen... Where a big cash injection say from Shell could bring their research forward a great deal.
See if Shell, for example, came up with the idea, to produce hydrogen and they got it all patented up, then they could make even more money by licensing it to BP.
Sure they could put loads of money into researching cheaper hydrogen but the shareholders would understandably kick off. They could throw billions at it and possibly get very little back.
Shell are making a lot of money now so why would they want to change the market and risk it all.
exactly what paulus said
mr roll sounds like 1 of these hippy greenpeace types
*spit*
Its the only way to seriously make people reconsider their lifestyles.
Screw reconsidering lifestyles...
Theres another way of doing this than eeking back to the dark ages. Accelerate industry and let development solve the problems. Its looking increasingly likely that a private company wil start launching solar panels into space and beaming power back to the earth. 100% clean, localized so minimal distribution needed, etc etc.
This idea that simply cutting everything back at the cost of progress is the only answer seems misguided tbh. That said the people protesting the fuel costs can get lost. Theyre not trying to find alternatives theyre just complaining. Business models change and trucking is one of them. TBH these guys should be back on the railways for the benefit of all of us. One freed up lane on all motorways would free up almost all road expansion costs for the government for years. Traffic congestion would drop through the floor without trucks and lorries overtaking. That money and the commercial interests could easily expand and improve the countrys rail infrastructure in only a matter of a couple of years. Fixed rail network and congestion free roads by 2010 anyone?
Id rather see them laying railway track than complaining.
might as well, its not like people enjoy using the trains, just make em exclusively a freight carrying infrastructure
I enjoy the trains in france, they are really really good.
virgin trains are ok with reservations etc... :)
anyone find it weired that even tho its been all over the web since monday, none of the news channels/programs have even mentioned it?
QuoteTheres another way of doing this than eeking back to the dark ages. Accelerate industry and let development solve the problems.
Normal solar power should be dropping down in price. With companys like Nanosolar printing solar panels they should get the cost right down. As soon as it gets near to a price where it is competitive with coal then it will take off massively.
I think an electric car with a diesel or petrol backup generator is a much better option than hydrogen at the moment.
But how much does a litre of bull jizz cost? :o
QuoteBut how much does a litre of bull jizz cost?
Probably a hundered thousand or so.
What do you have planned ? :lol:
lets face it, which average person is gonna choose a hybrid which has no poke at all, unless you use the engine which would defeat the point of it, or a faster derv/petrol
Quote from: DEViANCEanyone find it weired that even tho its been all over the web since monday, none of the news channels/programs have even mentioned it?
youre right actually... I think the government have a hand in that I think...
If youre going down the route of a new rail network for freight why not use the existing network for freight and make a newer one where passenger trains can travel at higher speeds.
Im sure I heard that the new diesels from Renault are more environmentally friendly than a prius, in terms of stuff that comes out the back.
Quote from: Eddlets face it, which average person is gonna choose a hybrid which has no poke at all, unless you use the engine which would defeat the point of it, or a faster derv/petrol
Not many people now but as soon as battery prices come down you could have a very rapid plug in hybrid.
Just look at the all electric Tesla Roadster 0-60 in 4 seconds. Sure its damn expensive (£48000) now but give it a few years and the technology should filter down to lower price cars.
electric cars should nuke petrol cars at high enough capacity. Were just a long way off it :)
Theres absolutely nothing to say an electric car cant blitz a petrol car if they can hold power for a long enough period.
wont be the same tho, in F1 youll have cars going past with a high pitched whine instead of an unmuffled V8 at 19,000rpm
not the same
Quote from: Eddwont be the same tho, in F1 youll have cars going past with a high pitched whine instead of an unmuffled V8 at 19,000rpm
not the same
Dont worry the good folks at F1 have put a stop to engine development for the next 10 years. :cry:
Quote from: White GiantBut how much does a litre of bull jizz cost? :o
I would expect it depends on the bull! :D
Supposed to be very lucrative for the owners of prize bulls but the bull just gets a tazer thing to the hurty bits.
Quote from: Eddwont be the same tho, in F1 youll have cars going past with a high pitched whine instead of an unmuffled V8 at 19,000rpm
not the same
Add a speaker, a synth, and an amp.
Sorted. Engine noise, that will vary with "revolutions". :)
Actually to be honest a vast majority of the UK drive cars purely to get shopping and from A to B. Providing they are comfortable at overtaking on a motorway, can travel at sustained high speeds (70mph ish) for motorway travel, and have the same controls as a traditional petrol car, im pretty damn sure most people would be perfectly happy with one.
People buy diesels now to save money on fuel consumption, so its no different really. When manufacturers start offering electric versions of their popular cars, im pretty damn sure well see a large uptake.
Instead of a 1.9ltr Diesel, Fiesta LX.
You have a Fiesta E-LX... powered by electricity.
Top speed of a normal diesel fiesta is what... 98mph on the book? and has a 0-60 of something like 20 seconds.... if an electric car can match stats, then itd be a winner.
f**k electric cars.. lets go back to Steam power.
Theres plenty of water around.. The Water just turns into steam & falls back into the ground eventually... Obviously in 50years time it will get the blame for so much rain, but its cheap, free & plenty available.
Quote from: M3ta7h3adTop speed of a normal diesel fiesta is what... 98mph on the book? and has a 0-60 of something like 20 seconds.... if an electric car can match stats, then itd be a winner.
no rich maybe it was in the 80s but not any more, id be surprised if there was a manufacturer not using common rail or pump duese these days
u know the car that won the lemans recently was a derv?
Quote from: Eggtasticof**k electric cars.. lets go back to Steam power.
Theres plenty of water around.. The Water just turns into steam & falls back into the ground eventually... Obviously in 50years time it will get the blame for so much rain, but its cheap, free & plenty available.
Genius egg.
I think you might have missed slightly one of the inputs in steam power... What turns water into steam? Cos it sure as hell doesnt get up and turn do it on its own!
wait Im sure it magically evaporates on token hippy values.
Quote from: BigSoyQuote from: Eggtasticof**k electric cars.. lets go back to Steam power.
Theres plenty of water around.. The Water just turns into steam & falls back into the ground eventually... Obviously in 50years time it will get the blame for so much rain, but its cheap, free & plenty available.
Genius egg.
I think you might have missed slightly one of the inputs in steam power... What turns water into steam? Cos it sure as hell doesnt get up and turn do it on its own!
I think he was trying to be funny...