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Title: The winter is taking its toll..
Post by: Binary Shadow on December 20, 2010, 18:21:34 PM
... on my shed vectra, the engine has started to randomly cut out when idling, rather annoying

And its been smelling horrible after driving in the snow.. my poor clutch :(
Title: Re:The winter is taking its toll..
Post by: Mark on December 20, 2010, 20:14:06 PM
is that a petrol?

cam position or crank sensor prob
Title: The winter is taking its toll..
Post by: bear on December 20, 2010, 20:40:47 PM
Quote from: Binary Shadow... on my shed vectra, the engine has started to randomly cut out when idling, rather annoying

And its been smelling horrible after driving in the snow.. my poor clutch :(


The clutch ? doesnt it spin well enough against the snow ?
Title: The winter is taking its toll..
Post by: Binary Shadow on December 20, 2010, 20:53:43 PM
depends if your slipping it like mad to pull away in 2nd a lot or not

yeah its a 2.0 16v petrol, prolly cam sensor tbh
Title: The winter is taking its toll..
Post by: bear on December 20, 2010, 22:01:58 PM
Quote from: Binary Shadowdepends if your slipping it like mad to pull away in 2nd a lot or not

yeah its a 2.0 16v petrol, prolly cam sensor tbh


Winter driving demands a light and sensitive foot on the gas pedal, the clutch is not made for speed regulation !
Title: The winter is taking its toll..
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on December 20, 2010, 22:24:17 PM
Quote from: bear
Quote from: Binary Shadowdepends if your slipping it like mad to pull away in 2nd a lot or not

yeah its a 2.0 16v petrol, prolly cam sensor tbh


Winter driving demands a light and sensitive foot on the gas pedal, the clutch is not made for speed regulation !

I think Im pretty bad for it tbh, its a very lazy habit to sit on the bite point and let the engine management take over!
Title: The winter is taking its toll..
Post by: bear on December 20, 2010, 23:02:45 PM
Quote from: Clockd 0Ne
Quote from: bear
Quote from: Binary Shadowdepends if your slipping it like mad to pull away in 2nd a lot or not

yeah its a 2.0 16v petrol, prolly cam sensor tbh


Winter driving demands a light and sensitive foot on the gas pedal, the clutch is not made for speed regulation !

I think Im pretty bad for it tbh, its a very lazy habit to sit on the bite point and let the engine management take over!

Smooth movments, steering, brakes, clutch and gas pedal and good tyres and winter driving is managable.
Title: Re:The winter is taking its toll..
Post by: zpyder on December 21, 2010, 07:25:39 AM
Glad Im not the only one that had a bad smelling car yesterday ><

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Post by: Eagle on December 22, 2010, 00:44:30 AM
Did I hear right a while back that driving instructors now teach people to pull away from stationary in second gear?...
Title: The winter is taking its toll..
Post by: knighty on December 22, 2010, 00:54:11 AM
3rd gear sometimes (in the snow)
Title: The winter is taking its toll..
Post by: bear on December 22, 2010, 12:20:45 PM
What !!!!  why havnt we figured that out in Sweden ? we have snow every winter and still havnt figured that out !!!
Title: The winter is taking its toll..
Post by: Mardoni on December 22, 2010, 13:11:58 PM
I had the misfortune of attempting a 3rd gear pull away in snow boots on a hill when I got caught at some lights. It was my own fault, at the bottom of the hill I thought Id make the top and the lights but then I started to lose traction on the way up and had to stop :/

It was seriously hard work on the calf and thigh muscles I can tell you :)
Title: The winter is taking its toll..
Post by: Eagle on December 22, 2010, 14:32:22 PM
Quote from: knighty3rd gear sometimes (in the snow)
No, I mean in normal conditions. Crazy!
Title: The winter is taking its toll..
Post by: bear on December 22, 2010, 14:39:26 PM
I can see though, the necessity of wearing ones clutch out and starting in 2nd gear if using inadequate tyres but which costs more, clutch replacement or a set of proper winter tyres ?
Title: The winter is taking its toll..
Post by: knighty on December 22, 2010, 15:13:04 PM
my brother is a driving instructor, and they teach people that pulling out in 3rd gear means the "wheels turn slower" - exact words from the government training manual blurb

(my brother still doesnt believe me that thats crap)
Title: Re:The winter is taking its toll..
Post by: Eagle on December 22, 2010, 15:23:42 PM
Sounds like (as I suspected) were training a nation of very poor drivers...
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Post by: Edd on December 22, 2010, 15:40:29 PM
Well, less torque will be transmitted thru the wheels surely? resulting in it less likely losing traction? Thats how I read it anyway
Title: The winter is taking its toll..
Post by: knighty on December 22, 2010, 15:45:50 PM
yes... which is what it should say...

"less power at the wheels" not "use a higher gear so the wheels turn slower" (which is wrong/backwards)

and then, if you have a little bit of grip, youll have to give it decent revs just to stop is stalling.... more revs - more power and youre right back where you started

Ive been stuck a few times, and Ive always pulled away in 1st gear with no revs (just clutch control)
(but I do drive diesels, its a bit harder in a petrol)
Title: The winter is taking its toll..
Post by: bear on December 22, 2010, 16:01:18 PM
Yes Knighty that is what I do in my diesel, no revs just ease the clutch, in petrols as low revs as possible in first gear should do fine as long as you are smooth  with yer pedals.
Title: The winter is taking its toll..
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on December 22, 2010, 16:29:20 PM
Quote from: knightyIve been stuck a few times, and Ive always pulled away in 1st gear with no revs (just clutch control)
(but I do drive diesels, its a bit harder in a petrol)

Thats exactly how I got myself out from some ice in a car park at the weekend in the BMW.
Title: The winter is taking its toll..
Post by: Mongoose on December 22, 2010, 16:53:49 PM
Quote from: knightyIve been stuck a few times, and Ive always pulled away in 1st gear with no revs (just clutch control)
(but I do drive diesels, its a bit harder in a petrol)

I miss my diesel in this weather. Try that in my current petrol and it will stall, where my old 306XLD could pull away with no revs in 3rd if for some bizzare reason you wanted to.
Title: The winter is taking its toll..
Post by: Binary Shadow on December 22, 2010, 21:22:29 PM
Quote from: bearI can see though, the necessity of wearing ones clutch out and starting in 2nd gear if using inadequate tyres but which costs more, clutch replacement or a set of proper winter tyres ?
More expensive for me to blow cash on winter tyres since theyll get used for maybe 2 month then Ill need another set for a different car (change frequently), a bit of wear on a clutch isnt going to hurt me

And i dont like to labour my engine
Title: Re:The winter is taking its toll..
Post by: Binary Shadow on December 22, 2010, 21:28:04 PM
Quote from: EagleSounds like (as I suspected) were training a nation of very poor drivers...
everyone knows they only teach you to pass the test, the real learning begins when your on your own
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Post by: Mark on December 22, 2010, 21:35:22 PM
bag of cat litter in the boot, good stuff to give traction.
Title: The winter is taking its toll..
Post by: bear on December 22, 2010, 21:36:56 PM
Quote from: Binary Shadow
Quote from: bearI can see though, the necessity of wearing ones clutch out and starting in 2nd gear if using inadequate tyres but which costs more, clutch replacement or a set of proper winter tyres ?
More expensive for me to blow cash on winter tyres since theyll get used for maybe 2 month then Ill need another set for a different car (change frequently), a bit of wear on a clutch isnt going to hurt me

And i dont like to labour my engine

But often wheels fit on other cars, if you keep in mind that while changing car you could possible use the winter set on next car or maybe a better price
when you sell your car as it includes winter tyres.
Title: Re:The winter is taking its toll..
Post by: Mark on December 22, 2010, 21:44:25 PM
winter remoulds are available, and theyre still much better than summer tyres

winter part worn tyres are also available

Title: Re:The winter is taking its toll..
Post by: Mongoose on December 23, 2010, 09:54:36 AM
Quote from: Markbag of cat litter in the boot, good stuff to give traction.

good for absorbing engine oil when servicing too. Surprisingly useful stuff cat litter.
Title: The winter is taking its toll..
Post by: bear on December 23, 2010, 12:06:47 PM
A sack of sand in real wheel drives gives a bit of extra weight and traction if needed, in my volvo 145 I had two cement plates (type you put as walkways) in the back to give traction in the hills.
Title: Re:The winter is taking its toll..
Post by: DEViANCE on December 23, 2010, 20:29:04 PM
this winter is hurting both my cars :(

My misses decided to use the kerb as a bump stop on an icey bend the other day so that is a bent lower arm or two on the Audi.

And my run around Metro has developed a quite violent steering wheel wobble/vibration for no apparent reason and the thermostat seems to be stuck open so it never warms up properly.

 :drama:
Title: The winter is taking its toll..
Post by: bear on December 23, 2010, 22:14:51 PM
The Metro might have ice lumps frozen to the rims, it happended to me I drove a 100k and the car was warm and nice and I drove the last part on smaller not wellplowed roads and parked a few hours and drove home as I came out on the big road and was going 50-55 it wobbled so I stopped found ice lumps on rims so I just knocked them loose and all was fine.
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Post by: soopahfly on December 24, 2010, 08:25:59 AM
Do that in a modern diesel and youll destroy the DMF.
Pulling away in 2nd/3rd that is.
Title: The winter is taking its toll..
Post by: DEViANCE on December 29, 2010, 15:32:16 PM
Quote from: bearThe Metro might have ice lumps frozen to the rims, it happended to me I drove a 100k and the car was warm and nice and I drove the last part on smaller not wellplowed roads and parked a few hours and drove home as I came out on the big road and was going 50-55 it wobbled so I stopped found ice lumps on rims so I just knocked them loose and all was fine.

Turned out part of the tyre had delaminated so was abit egg shaped, put the spare on and all it good now.

Sorted out the Audi today aswell, the wife had done a very good job of reshaping one of the suspension arms.