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Its city Centres that are most congested, so why should Countryside drivers & small town/villages be forced to subsidise the heavily congested areas?

Id have nothing against Road pricing as long as every other avenue was explored & somthing actually done about it before hitting us in the pocket.
Fuel Duty & Road Tax would also have to be abolished.

why should people have to pay just to go through a congested area? In many cases car drivers will have to pay despite the fact its not congested at all.

Congestion charging is expensive and some people cheat. No matter what way you look at it you are pricing some people out of the market.

Quote from: Seriouswhy should people have to pay just to go through a congested area? In many cases car drivers will have to pay despite the fact its not congested at all.

Congestion charging is expensive and some people cheat. No matter what way you look at it you are pricing some people out of the market.

Congestion is the excuse they are giving, Yet they are trying nothing else to try & fix the problem, except to hit the people in the pockets who cause congestion.
Theres plenty of things they can try to ease congestion, but they are not.

its funny really, do they really think people would sit in queues of traffic if they didnt really have to?

They do.

They could get trains, they could get buses, they could in fact ride bicycles.

A huge majority of journeys are under 10 miles. 10 miles is incredibly easy to cycle. Carry a suit in your pannier, sorted.

My job Ive just been offered they actually prefer people to travel via Rail to clients establishments... Means you turn up looking fresher and have plenty of time (on an intercity style train anyway) to read notes, and prepare for a meeting.

The majority of people only sit in queues and queues of traffic because they are lazy and selfish.

Quote from: M3ta7h3adA huge majority of journeys are under 10 miles. 10 miles is incredibly easy to cycle. Carry a suit in your pannier, sorted.

Thats hardly practical, rain and wet roads would be horrific and i can see my tools and laptop computer riding with me

Id work from home given the choice, extra half hr in bed

Id agree with tolls on motorways and charging people to go into inner city areas but I dont agree with car tracking - tis overly expensive and pointless.

Central areas of say London, Birmingham, Manchester, Sheffield etc.. tend to have OK public transport.

Perhaps they could do with a few more park & ride type car parks on the outskirts for people who genuinely cant do without a car to get to work.

Quote from: SeriousCongestion charging is expensive and some people cheat. No matter what way you look at it you are pricing some people out of the market.

well that is kind of the whole point

if everyone could afford to carry on driving into central London and pay the 8 quid a day or whatever it is then the whole congestion charging idea wouldnt work in the first place.

The point of congestion charging is to make driving into congested areas expensive so less people do it. It has worked well in the city & theyve even reclaimed some roads as a result (areas around monument is going to be pedestrianized now due to less traffic)

Quote from: M3ta7h3adThe majority of people only sit in queues and queues of traffic because they are lazy and selfish.

Balls. Most of the time the travel cost is cheaper and a vast time saver via car, especially on less popular routes.

Ive yet to have a train journey that hasnt been physically and financially draining. The cost of filling the tank on my Mazda might just about swing it for some very long journeys down south, but I doubt it.

Sheffield to Ormskirk via train takes me 5 hours. Ormskirk via car takes under 2. Thats a pisstake.

IMO trains are only effective on frequently operating, fast short travel routes. And services such as the London Underground.

The only way they can make public transport more attractive than driving outside of the big cities is to impose 20mph limits on motorways, poke holes in everybodies radiators and then get tramps to piss on everybodies passenger seats.  

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Quote from: M3ta7h3adA huge majority of journeys are under 10 miles. 10 miles is incredibly easy to cycle. Carry a suit in your pannier, sorted.

Thats hardly practical, rain and wet roads would be horrific and i can see my tools and laptop computer riding with me

Its certainly practical. I carry a laptop and several heavy books in my pannier. Rain and wet roads is actually nice, you sweat less, and you have mudguards to protect you from the road crud.

You turn up at work, go into the toilet, dry off with the towel you packed, wash, change into your suit or work clothes, sorted. I will certainly be considering that when I get a full time job.

QuoteId work from home given the choice, extra half hr in bed

See... you just reiterated my point, there are shedloads of options out there ahead of a car, yet people are lazy.

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Quote from: M3ta7h3adThe majority of people only sit in queues and queues of traffic because they are lazy and selfish.

Balls. Most of the time the travel cost is cheaper and a vast time saver via car, especially on less popular routes.

Ive yet to have a train journey that hasnt been physically and financially draining. The cost of filling the tank on my Mazda might just about swing it for some very long journeys down south, but I doubt it.

Sheffield to Ormskirk via train takes me 5 hours. Ormskirk via car takes under 2. Thats a pisstake.

IMO trains are only effective on frequently operating, fast short travel routes. And services such as the London Underground.

Cardiff to London is cheaper via rail. Cardiff to sheffield is also cheaper via rail! Hey im an avid fan of trains, I know how bloody frustrating they can be, but you can hardly say the "quiet zone" cab of a a virgin intercity train is stressful.

I find the shorter commuter type services are the worst. Getting just 5 miles on a train is a ballache for 20 minutes, getting across the country is a piece of piss Which is why I recommend the cycling option

i can see it being lazier to spend an hr in traffic rather than spending extra in bed and working from home  :shock:

i think youll find that generally the option isnt there, here theres no working from home, im not on a bus route and the train station is miles away.

Itd take twice or 3 times longer to get to work on a bike and id spend the 1st hr there recovering from the experience!

Quote from: M3ta7h3adCardiff to London is cheaper via rail. Cardiff to sheffield is also cheaper via rail! Hey im an avid fan of trains, I know how bloody frustrating they can be, but you can hardly say the "quiet zone" cab of a a virgin intercity train is stressful.

I find the shorter commuter type services are the worst. Getting just 5 miles on a train is a ballache for 20 minutes, getting across the country is a piece of piss Which is why I recommend the cycling option

Well done, youve plucked out exactly the type of major route exception I was talking about. Obviously the road network between the two is far more laborious. London is always a sensible option for the train, only because it is such a nightmare drive. Cheaper though? Debatable. Unless you book well in advance ticket prices are often Ã,£70+ for long journeys I seem to see. I always check to see whats cheaper for me: Sheffield to London, Sheffield to Cardiff, Cardiff to Liverpool, etc and most times its extortionate.

Trains are just an all round ballache, and at busy times on the major routes you can get royally screwed on the supposed comfort. Youve obviously had a lucky experience. After my last trip to Lpool on the train I vowed never to use that sh*te again in that direction. Its pathetic up north.

yes prices, they are rather high, but when you then get to that place you dont have to pay congestion charges, parking fees or anything extra.

5 people from work wanted to go to Kent for the day, it cost over Ã,£250 on the train but it only cost Ã,£50 to rent a car for the day.