Got to say that from the developer presentation, this certainly does look like a better way to communicate.
http://wave.google.com/
In short...
You create a thread (a wave) and decide who can participate in this thread.
As people reply / contribute to the thread the responses are relayed, in real-time, to all participants in the thread.
Its a very, very clever idea. Not just from the business collaboration front but for general commuinication too.
I cant see the point of fixing something thats not broken.
Sounds like a mash-up of email, IM and message boards.
But as Bacon says, theres nothing wrong with email for day to day comms. Wave might only really be of any use as an alternative realtime message board for groups and businesses.
Quote from: BaconI cant see the point of fixing something thats not broken.
Yeah, I dont know why we even bother with email. We should have just stuck with snail mail. Actually, the postal system is bollocks. Long live carrier pigeons.
Quote from: BaconI cant see the point of fixing something thats not broken.
So you would Go back to being in a Cave hunting? That was not really broken :P Or your vic20? That was not broken
Called Evolution of technology and communication.
In terms of business or personal use this sort of thing is massive
So original that the old Newsgroup service never picked up on this type of thing.
No Really,
Honest,
Its never been done before,
Not even with Sharepoint Server,
Ever,
Its totally a new thing that Google Invented!
Quote from: BeakerSo original that the old Newsgroup service never picked up on this type of thing.
No Really,
Honest,
Its never been done before,
Not even with Sharepoint Server,
Ever,
Its totally a new thing that Google Invented!
This is a problem.
Google did not invent this, they do not claim to, Twitter people like yourself moans has been done before.
Again - EVOLUTION.
This is taking what things or more then one thing has done and combining it with modern standards of thinking and code to create the next step in the functionality and ease of use. One of the number of things this does your are overlooking is the API and how you can use all this but the applications developed will use elements of this to do all manner of things as well as the site integration of the information.
Same with Twitter. Many chaps here do not get it, But then they just look at the twitter site and can not follow it. The API is what makes it amazing and how you use it and what applications and website uses exist because of it.
If you dont get why this would be useful, you obviously dont communicate about anything much more serious about when youre next going to the pub online. Once people get their around the problems this solves, its potentially massive.
As for sharepoint, the difference by the sound of it is that wave actually does something useful out of the box...
Nothing new
Quote from: SeriousNothing new
As BigSoy Says..
Not to be funny but if you say this you basically do not understand what it is or can do.
I understand what it is and does, but I also understand that for most people, they wont move from email. The whole concept of starting a thread for people to join in...only really useful for groups and businesses. If someone wants to communicate to a small number of people about a party or whatever, they will just cc people in.
And yes, I would probably use wave if I could get colleagues on board, as it would be useful for planning and discussing research projects. The problem is getting them on board. I used the windows live space to store large files for a lecturer so that she could access them instantly, and that took a few days of refusing to come in to work with a memory stick for her to give it a go...
I agree that the major power of this going to be for people who in some sense "work" together - but you cant underestimate the size of that.
Plus, if it was seriously taken on board by business, that would be a massive step forward towards it becoming mainstream.
Quote from: RobQuote from: BaconI cant see the point of fixing something thats not broken.
Yeah, I dont know why we even bother with email. We should have just stuck with snail mail. Actually, the postal system is bollocks. Long live carrier pigeons.
IM = Instant Messenger. One more time INSTANT. So need to get cocky
It is just another option, it sounds fine to me, but I know I will never use it. If I wanted to IM someone I would IM them and if I wanted to e-mail them I would e-mail them. The biggest problem as has been said is that everyone who you want to contact has to use this one system. Where as I can e-mail someone who is using whatever he/she wants to use to get it.
It will become fairly common for this kind of thing to be used in the future but until it becomes a standard it is completely pointless outside of fixed company or friendship groups.
So, essentially, basically at the bare bones of this - this is simply a rich content email with several people ccd in. Wow.
The core audience for this are teenagers angsting to each other, and for people who spend all day on social networking websites, or discussing the new iphones ability to turn on and off with a newfangled idea called a button
These teenage audience applications are not the future. Cloud operating systems and virtualisation is the future. Developers need to stop messing about with stupid childish colourful bullsh*t like this, facebook and twitter, and get on with shifting computing up into the cloud.
In 10-15 years time you wont have a computer in the home - youll have a barebones terminal - and you will rent or buy space on machines in the cloud - all part and parcel of your monthly ISP bill.
Im actually beginning to get worried about the future of computing - we need development on things like routing protocols - but all we are getting are stupid webpages with teenagers discussing spot cream.
Quote from: MarkSo, essentially, basically at the bare bones of this - this is simply a rich content email with several people ccd in. Wow.
The core audience for this are teenagers angsting to each other, and for people who spend all day on social networking websites, or discussing the new iphones ability to turn on and off with a newfangled idea called a button
These teenage audience applications are not the future. Cloud operating systems and virtualisation is the future. Developers need to stop messing about with stupid childish colourful bullsh*t like this, facebook and twitter, and get on with shifting computing up into the cloud.
In 10-15 years time you wont have a computer in the home - youll have a barebones terminal - and you will rent or buy space on machines in the cloud - all part and parcel of your monthly ISP bill.
What good is that to me if it looks exactly the same and works exactly the same as Ive got now?
We need development in both areas, its hardly like theyre done by exactly the same people is it?
It wont work the same at all - it will be *massively* scalable.
You wont need to upgrade - just request more performance.
Unfortunately the only thing produced so far (Cloud wise, not VMware-a-like) that bears any resemblance to this is Azure, which I have been unfortunate enough to be involved in a massive startup project with.
Of course we will still need applications etc, but the way things will be interdependent they will be radically different from now. Although technologies like this wave seem a departure from the norm, they are still conventional computing.
In other news, I just started my way through 8 feast ice lollies.
Quote from: MarkIn 10-15 years time you wont have a computer in the home - youll have a barebones terminal - and you will rent or buy space on machines in the cloud - all part and parcel of your monthly ISP bill.
Whilst that might apply to some people there are too many paranoid people who like having their information under their control. I sure as hell wouldnt trust a system like that currently unless ISPs can improve their stability massively it wont take off. I have had a terrible net connection for the past day or so, had I used a cloud system for my storage I would have been cut off from all my files.
It is a nice idea and eventually it will come, but we are talking a hell of a long time in the future where net services are as common and stable as gas, water and electric. Currently... they aint.
Quote from: MarkIt wont work the same at all - it will be *massively* scalable.
You wont need to upgrade - just request more performance.
Unfortunately the only thing produced so far (Cloud wise, not VMware-a-like) that bears any resemblance to this is Azure, which I have been unfortunate enough to be involved in a massive startup project with.
Of course we will still need applications etc, but the way things will be interdependent they will be radically different from now. Although technologies like this wave seem a departure from the norm, they are still conventional computing.
In other news, I just started my way through 8 feast ice lollies.
Thats sort of my point though. Tbh, for Joe Average, and actually once we grow out of our teenage overclocking years for the most part, most people have fairly narrow ranges of use for their machines and consequently limited need to be able to drag down masses of additional performance from the cloud.
However, if thats the way you believe it will go (and Im yet to be entirely convinced, for all applications at least), you need the applications/software/use cases to drive that new demand.
Good work on the feasts by the way - theyre an awesome lolly :) Not sure about the new oranges though :/
Quote from: BigSoyQuote from: MarkIt wont work the same at all - it will be *massively* scalable.
You wont need to upgrade - just request more performance.
Unfortunately the only thing produced so far (Cloud wise, not VMware-a-like) that bears any resemblance to this is Azure, which I have been unfortunate enough to be involved in a massive startup project with.
Of course we will still need applications etc, but the way things will be interdependent they will be radically different from now. Although technologies like this wave seem a departure from the norm, they are still conventional computing.
In other news, I just started my way through 8 feast ice lollies.
Thats sort of my point though. Tbh, for Joe Average, and actually once we grow out of our teenage overclocking years for the most part, most people have fairly narrow ranges of use for their machines and consequently limited need to be able to drag down masses of additional performance from the cloud.
However, if thats the way you believe it will go (and Im yet to be entirely convinced, for all applications at least), you need the applications/software/use cases to drive that new demand.
Good work on the feasts by the way - theyre an awesome lolly :) Not sure about the new oranges though :/
Some of you guys wont care about this, that is fine but this will be big for many people. Same sort of thing with regard to google apps. How many people here actually use it? It amazing though, great for business.
For stuff like this, it only takes a job to require it, and then it gets into the persons life.
I had never used skype as I hate phones, but my last job, the bosses use it, and so I got it as an IM app. Probably wont uninstall it and might keep it on future installs as it might be handy.
Cloud things...Kinda already have that at uni, but its more of a small drive partition on the network. I can expect it though to roll out quite quickly once it becomes mainstream, as at the moment at Bmouth Uni certain computer labs have certain bits of software, being able to use any computer anywhere for your stuff will be very good, when the teaching lab is booked out and you have an assignment to do which needs one of the computers.
Id imagine the students would get used to the cloud system and then not really have an issue with it in the future.
I think my mum has access to vm system on the NHS but doesnt really use it due to the slowness.
About the only person I know who is paranoid enough to not want to use something like this is my sister. But I think shed be open to the idea if her work forced it on her.
Will be nice if these fibre city things go ahead :D
Quote from: MarkIt wont work the same at all - it will be *massively* scalable.
You wont need to upgrade - just request more performance.
Unfortunately the only thing produced so far (Cloud wise, not VMware-a-like) that bears any resemblance to this is Azure, which I have been unfortunate enough to be involved in a massive startup project with.
Of course we will still need applications etc, but the way things will be interdependent they will be radically different from now. Although technologies like this wave seem a departure from the norm, they are still conventional computing.
In other news, I just started my way through 8 feast ice lollies.
Epic fail Mark.......... should have got the box of 9! :)
I for one am going to need a LOT more bandwidth available to me before cloud computing becomes an option.
Nice idea, one day maybe, but youll have to be talking gigabit sustained upstream speeds before its any real use. On the other hand, thinking in terms of the way BB speeds have developed over the last 10 years maybe in 10-15 well be approaching the kind of speed necessary to edit current photos via a centrally hosted GIMP. Of course, well also be using digital cameras with commensurately higher resolution so bandwidth will have to outpace camera technology by some margin.
TBH I suspect Mark is right, but that this will be the technology that makes me an old fuddy-duddy. I doubt Ill ever trust it, no matter how good it becomes, Ive seen too many network drives crash and burn to ever fully throw off the need to have my most precious documents and photos backed up on at least 2 nice solid tangible external hard drives.
PS the feasts are always a good choice, comfortably my favourite lolly.
Quote from: MarkSo, essentially, basically at the bare bones of this - this is simply a rich content email with several people ccd in. Wow.
The core audience for this are teenagers angsting to each other, and for people who spend all day on social networking websites, or discussing the new iphones ability to turn on and off with a newfangled idea called a button
These teenage audience applications are not the future. Cloud operating systems and virtualisation is the future. Developers need to stop messing about with stupid childish colourful bullsh*t like this, facebook and twitter, and get on with shifting computing up into the cloud.
In 10-15 years time you wont have a computer in the home - youll have a barebones terminal - and you will rent or buy space on machines in the cloud - all part and parcel of your monthly ISP bill.
I dont always want to be on line, so Ill keep my present intelligent box, thanks ;)
They have been touting this kind of cloud system for years, although with different names, not much has happened so far. For this to work you would need a killer application that couldnt be done any other way, I dont see one coming soon.
Forgetting the messaging implications, what no-one seems to have picked up on is that this will provide an open source platform for performing message delivery.
From an application development point of view, this could very easily mean the end of AJAX based Web2.0 applications. The need to continuously poll a server for new data could be totally removed. Instead the use of the Wave APIs should mean that it will, finally, be possible to get fresh data delivered directly to the web application without having to go and see if there is a anything new available.