Anyone know anything about leased lines/SDSL?
Weve got more and more people working remotely so we need fast upload to our main server.
Whats the damage for 2, 4 and 8mbit lines? (up and down)
Expensive! Dont remember what our last bill was but we have a 2mbps leased line which is fine for our 60 ish workforce plus remote workers via Citrix. We do struggle from time to time if people start downloading isos and stuff but other than that its fine.
In terms of price its a pay only if necessary. Id explore ADSL options first, maybe even consider bonding a couple of lines - it will be far cheaper if good enough.
2Mb SDSL is about £145 a month from Nildram.
Leased lines are expensive and most SDSL maxes at 2Mb so take your pick.
If you live/work right beside an ntl/telewest green cabinet you can usually get some really good deals on leased lines if you try hard enough!
Quote from: KunalAnyone know anything about leased lines/SDSL?
Weve got more and more people working remotely so we need fast upload to our main server.
Whats the damage for 2, 4 and 8mbit lines? (up and down)
Budget 12-20k PA for your leased line - thats C&W and BT pricing is all I have experience of
2MB from BT unmanaged (NTE in your premises, RJ45 termination) came in at about the same price as managed from C&W (Router in your place)
BT service has sh*t reliability, C&W are an understaffed shower of cowboys.
Leased lines usually need to be bought in certain multiples of speed - ages since I ordered one from them though so products will have changed)
Last one I put in was a pair of 16 megs burstable to 24 for £30k PA which was decent at the time.
You never get one, you get 2 and either load balance or go active/standby.
I would recommend 2 into checkpoint firewall-1s in active/standby. That will handle your VPN termination as well.
Quote from: MarkBT service has sh*t reliability, C&W are an understaffed shower of cowboys.
I will second this, though we have more luck with the lines that are managed by Vanco than the ones we manage ourselves. If there is a fault Vanco ride BT/C&W like Seabiscuit. Though TBH Vanco can be a pain in the arse at times as well, but at least it takes the hassle out of the IT support teams hair. If they have time to chase BT or C&W down then a 3rd party isnt required, if you are short on staff then they are a good idea.
Nobody goes with 2Mbit lease lines anymore. SDSL is far more cost effective. After that you may as well get a 10Mbit LES because your costs for anything about 4Mbit serial leased line will be more per month than that. Ive just swaped our maine site from 45Mbit lease line to 100Mb Les and saved £87k a year.
Serial is dead, long live SDSL and LES!!!!
Quote from: Porch MonkeyNobody goes with 2Mbit lease lines anymore. SDSL is far more cost effective.
at least 40 of our customers would disagree with you.
Well, they are being ripped off mate. My latest figures give me 10Mbit for the same as I can find a 4Mb leased line.
SDSL is 2Mb for £145 a month, show me where you can get a 2Mb leased line fot that?
Quote from: Porch MonkeyWell, they are being ripped off mate. My latest figures give me 10Mbit for the same as I can find a 4Mb leased line.
SDSL is 2Mb for £145 a month, show me where you can get a 2Mb leased line fot that?
SDSL = Contended Service, usually set at a maximum of 10 users sharing the bandwitdh.
Leased = UNcontended service, 2Mb is exactly that, you can use all of the bandwidth, and youa rent relying on the other users not hammering the connection.
That is what you pay for, not the speed, the fact its your own line rather than shared.
leased line (imo) is always better than SDSL, Lan extensions are ok for interconnecting sites, not web access - MPLS is the best method of interconnecting sites as it is far more reliable, scalable and flexible. And youll also get web access which you can literally scale up and down in *seconds*
LES10 from the likes of BT is useless if you have VLANs to span as it supports ONE vlan. You need LES100 to do things properly.
I moved the last site I worked on from LES100 between sites with a LES10 backup for the voice VLAN to MPLS, and there is such a difference. Anything happens up in the cloud, traffic gets routed off redundantly and most importantly - invisibly to the end user.
MPLS is dear though, but its cool.
Beaker, Ill admit when Im wrong, contention is of course the biggest issue.
I only use LES for tail ciruits and if youre only getting a single vlan over your LES conncetion youre with the wrong provider.
Quote from: MarkMPLS is the best method of interconnecting sites as it is far more reliable, scalable and flexible.
MPLS is dear though, but its cool.
agreed - we have 34mbps MPLS from oswestry to oxford and its ridiculously good!!
IIRC most of our major customer sites are connected into the head office by 10Mb leased lines running a VLAN over it. Most sites are on Citrix, so all apps are delivered remotely. Unfortunatly this also means they think that any old sh*t hardware is fine for the system to run on!