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good post.

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yeah I thought so, the industry has been bitching all the time but refuse to understand or change

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yeah I thought so, the industry has been bitching all the time but refuse to understand or change

Sounds like a lot of companies offering forms of media to people

For a lot of people the price isnt an issue providing they get a reasonable deal. Others though wont pay any price, no matter how small, for their access to music/video or whatever.

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yeah I thought so, the industry has been bitching all the time but refuse to understand or change

Sounds like a lot of companies offering forms of media to people

The Record Industry

Bands are starting to adapt some making more when they would have

from a record company !


Like  letting you download the music for free but selling covers and lyrics

and also many people want their real records after listening and liking.

tbh.. record companies arent even essential to music - there only usefulness is in making money from music.

film companies at least have a reasonable argument with regards to piracy - it does/or at least theoretically could(if more widespread) jeopardize future film production.

If anyone has read a music contract its almost as bad as piracy anyway. The performers get a few measly cents from a single and only make profit on albums. Most musicians dont make anything at all from their contract and end up worse off than if they hadnt bothered, they cant even produce their own records, they have to buy them off the company at inflated prices.

Sell your soul to the devil? Well at least you might see a profit from doing it.

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For those wondering about the age of this problem

1841

Serious your right, the record companies are exactly the people they hate, pay the singers relatively bugger all and make massive amounts of money off them

Quote from: Eric FlintI will leave you all with one final anecdote. Napster, of course, is held up as the ultimate "villain" with regard to the so-called problem of online piracy. The letters I received as Librarian were addressed to the issue of books, not music. Yet I was struck by how often-perhaps in a hundred letters-the writers would mention their own experience with Napster. And, in every instance, stated that their purchases of CDs increased as a result of Napster-for the good and simple reason that because Napster enabled them to sample musicians, they bought music they would not otherwise have been tempted to buy because CDs are too expensive to experiment with.

http://www.baen.com/library/palaver6.htm

And Eric Flint, writer and music artist, puts it far better than I ever could here. Worth reading the rest of it before signing on the dotted line in blood...

Quote from: Eric FlintIf they really wanted to do something for the great majority of artists, who eke out a living against all odds, they could tackle some of the real issues facing us:

1) The normal industry contract is for seven albums, with no end date, which would be considered at best indentured servitude (and at worst slavery) in any other business.  In fact, it would be illegal.

2) A label can shelve your project, then extend your contract by one more album because what you turned in was "commercially or artistically unacceptable".  They alone determine that criteria.

3) Songwriters have to accept that theyll be paid only 75% of the rates set by Congress for their work on their own albums, or lose the contract.

4) Congressionally set writer/publisher royalties have risen from their 1960s high (2 cents per side) to a munificent 8 cents.

5) Many of us began in the 50s and 60s; our records are still in release, and were still being paid royalty rates of 2% (if anything) on them.

6) If were not songwriters, and not hugely successful commercially (as in platinum-plus), we dont make a dime off our recordings.  Recording industry accounting procedures are right up there with films.

7) Worse yet, when records go out-of-print, we dont get them back!  We cant even take them to another company.  Careers have been deliberately killed in this manner, with the record company refusing to release product or allow the artist to take it somewhere else.

And because a record label "owns" your voice for the duration of the contract, you cant go somewhere else and re-record those same songs they turned down.

9) And because of the re-record provision, even after your contract is over, you cant record those songs for someone else for years, and sometimes decades.

http://www.baen.com/library/palaver11.htm

Quote from: Davetbh.. record companies arent even essential to music - there only usefulness is in making money from music.

film companies at least have a reasonable argument with regards to piracy - it does/or at least theoretically could(if more widespread) jeopardize future film production.

I have heard otherwise about the film industry, big hollywood movies pays for themselves and make a profit at box office, DVDs are usually released later than box office releases. Movies with military action get a lot of free equipment and photage from the military in return for letting them alter the script to their liking, in Forrest Gump I know the military added the scen in which an officer cut the power to the PA system when Forrest where holding
the speech for the anti-war crowd !!!!
Lately though they are using the military less as people are tired of war and are changing opinion so the filmmakers want to be critical so they cannot use the military and thus making the movies more expensive.

It has also pissed me off that DVDs are more expensive to buy than VHS with the same movie, I am sure DVDs does not cost much more to produce than VHS probably cheaper (well not at start but nowadays)
a scam to raise the price like when disc brakes where new the shops in the US toke double price to fix your disc brakes even if it much easier to do than drum brakes.

well.

Quote from: bearIt has also pissed me off that DVDs are more expensive to buy than VHS with the same movie, I am sure DVDs does not cost much more to produce than VHS probably cheaper (well not at start but nowadays)
a scam to raise the price like when disc brakes where new the shops in the US toke double price to fix your disc brakes even if it much easier to do than drum brakes.

If DVDs were not cheaper we would be seeing anywhere near the number on magazine covers.

What i would like to see is companies refocusing on the actual art.

when vinyl was still mainstream, the whole experience is about the art of the music, the cover and the simple possession of them both, usually enjoyed with other people. thats what i miss, thats an the emotion they are seriously ignoring. they need to refocus on bringing the art of music back to peoples living rooms, rather than pumping out sh*t like they have the past ten years. metal has known this all along, and they have artists which concentrate on producing quality albums, rather than one  hit wonder singles. it dilutes the quality of their own business.

Quote from: redWhat i would like to see is companies refocusing on the actual art.

when vinyl was still mainstream, the whole experience is about the art of the music, the cover and the simple possession of them both, usually enjoyed with other people. thats what i miss, thats an the emotion they are seriously ignoring. they need to refocus on bringing the art of music back to peoples living rooms, rather than pumping out sh*t like they have the past ten years. metal has known this all along, and they have artists which concentrate on producing quality albums, rather than one  hit wonder singles. it dilutes the quality of their own business.

tiz true I recall the vinyl covers of old LPs but not many cd cases grab my attention like those, few i can think of is My dying brides like gods of the dieing sun and tools last two.


but even metal (well pop-metal) is being infected with overproduced factory acts that are forgettable in a few weeks so the next act can step up , rinse then repeat