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Title: Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 20, 2010, 00:14:29 AM
http://www.minecraft.net/

This is reminding me so much of a lego game that I played back at college where people could build stuff in lego in 1st person in multiplayer. I cant remember if I played it with some of you guys or just college or uni friends.

Anyway, basica graphics and bugs aside, I cant believe how addictive it is. I started out by exploring and not really knowing WTF to do. Its taken a while to discover things like how to make timber from wood, Ive found a knife which seems to help mine/cut resources, and after exploring came across a massive cliff/hill on the coast of the randomly generated world I am in. After a load of mining I built a narrow ramp up to the top, and have so far managed to harvest enough timber to build primitive wooden fortifications around the outside of it. It took a couple of "nights" to make it monster proof, now Im going on missions basically mining in a straight line back to the respawn point so that if/when I die I have an easier time getting back to camp, as the game world really is huge.

Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: skidzilla on September 20, 2010, 01:00:04 AM
Rapture! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYOQPYTM5cE&fmt=35) :)
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Bacon on September 20, 2010, 03:00:25 AM
Its free for a couple of days cus the account server and payments have screwed up.

I dont know how a new player can play free though cus the new accounts cant be created.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 20, 2010, 07:44:05 AM
Just press login, will take you to single player. If it costs 10 euros at alpha its a bargain, compared to other indie games that cost more.

But if you do start to play, have a decent guide to hand, as though the crafting section is fairly clever/intuitive once you know the combinations youve got not much chance at all at figuring them out on your own.

And I didnt realise I needed tools to harvest half the stuff, so Ive been scraping rock out, with my hands, and a snails pace, only to be left wondering why I wasnt obtaining any!
Title: Minecraft
Post by: Smugs on September 20, 2010, 19:50:49 PM
Quote from: zpyder
This is reminding me so much of a lego game that I played back at college where people could build stuff in lego in 1st person in multiplayer. I cant remember if I played it with some of you guys or just college or uni friends.


Are you talking about Blockland? If so Im pretty sure I played that game with you and few others from here back then. One construction I still remember helping to create with other Tek members was a large underwater tunnel with widows, and I think you were one of the ones that helped.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 20, 2010, 20:25:33 PM
Excellent, so it was Tek. All I remember about blockland is someone building an epic pyramid, and building a massive tower into the clouds so high that you couldnt see the ground, with a tube running down the middle you could jump down and land in the water.

Minecraft is like that.

But with more stuff.

And monsters.

And Dungeons.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 20, 2010, 23:00:36 PM
Im currently in the process of replacing my wooden fortress walls with stone walls. The stone is coming from the mine I have started in the middle of the mountain my "fortress of uber" is situated on. Hopefully in the next couple of days Ill get a roof on it, and then the fun begins. Im planning on totally hollowing out the mountain, which might be tricky as at the base there are a few caves which seem to have zombies in them, so I forsee opening up too much of the cave.

At some point I plan on making a rollercoaster from the top that will go straight down and as far across the map as fast as possible, as a quick escape root. Maybe build another fort at the end so I can go back and forth ><

When registrations are back up Im so buying this. I regret preordering Civ V, as I doubt thatll get a look-in any time soon. Theres soooooo much potential, if we could get some Tek people and a private server going it would kick ass to have a tek fort etc.
Title: Minecraft
Post by: knighty on September 20, 2010, 23:22:56 PM
i downloaded it..... but how do i connect to a server ?  do i need to put an ip address in ?  and if so, what is it ?
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 21, 2010, 00:00:35 AM
Cancel the multiplayer bit, just do single player. If it asks for user/pass just hit login and it loads up, or it did for me.
Title: Minecraft
Post by: knighty on September 21, 2010, 00:15:07 AM
so in single player.... you can....... do what exactly ?


or what i mean is.... whats the point ?
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Bacon on September 21, 2010, 03:46:45 AM
I was playing around on it earlier, looks pretty addictive tbh, might check out the price once that and multiplayer is back up
Title: Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 21, 2010, 07:40:12 AM
Quote from: knighty
so in single player.... you can....... do what exactly ?


or what i mean is.... whats the point ?


It really is a sandbox. Look it up on youtube for examples of stuff people do.

On the basic level you can play it like lego, go out, collect materials, and then build something with it.

But then you have things like the monsters, you can make weapons and armour, traps as well. The water I think is dynamic so you could dig a mote around your castle and redirect a stream.

Or like in the vid I saw yesterday, you could make a rollercoaster etc.

Its up to you really. What was the point in Blockland? I thought you played that.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Mongoose on September 21, 2010, 09:53:21 AM
Quote from: zpyder
, so I forsee opening up too much of the cave.


[gandalf]But Zpyder delved too greedily and too deep.....[/gandalf]

sounds like fun
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 21, 2010, 15:14:43 PM
Video of the uberfort so far:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vsrZ0lZELU

And a review by some australians in case you STILL havent tried it yet:

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/goodgame/video/default.htm?pres=20100920_2030&story=5

EDIT:
Itd help if I gave the link.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 21, 2010, 20:13:39 PM
Quote from: Mongoose
Quote from: zpyder
, so I forsee opening up too much of the cave.


[gandalf]But Zpyder delved too greedily and too deep.....[/gandalf]

sounds like fun


I was right...I decided to extend my shaft as far as I can and opt for length rather than girth...Going straight down Ive hit coal and iron, as well as zombies, and underground stream, and lava, which is worrying. I ran out of torches to explore the chasms, but Im basically trying to light up as much as I can. Its getting tougher though, I think before the next trip into the underworld Ill need to go beat up some cows to make some leather armour.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: knighty on September 21, 2010, 21:31:43 PM
ahhh, I only played for 5 min and didnt realise you could do as much as you showed in the vid


p.s. you got an email near the end of the youtube clip which confused the hell out of me checking my in box, then the spam box, then the in box again etc. etc.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 21, 2010, 21:48:05 PM
Haha classic.

Yeah, the game suffers a bit from lack of documentation or information, but its an Alpha release, and tbh it kind of added to the initial fun where I was basically scooping mud up with my hands and tearing trees down and then realised I could combine certain things.

Thoroughly recommend finding a crafting recipe guide on the internet though so you know what you need to make what etc. You wont be able to get stone for instance until you make a pick axe, which you get by making a certain combo of wood. Metal needs smelting from the ore which means you need to make a furnace from stone etc.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on September 21, 2010, 22:34:00 PM
After playing for 20 minutes then watching the video, it all makes more sense now, however I dont think Ill go back to it tonight as I will get sucked in!

Two good craft guides for people:

http://www.echidnatribe.org/Minecraft/crafting.php

http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Crafting
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Bacon on September 22, 2010, 03:16:37 AM
How much is the game when its up? Can it be Paypald?
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 22, 2010, 07:49:43 AM
Think its 10 euros during the alpha and then when it goes beta its going up to 20 euros. Once you buy it all updates are free.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 22, 2010, 17:57:36 PM
Websites up again now for registrations.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on September 22, 2010, 20:31:46 PM
Its good fun, but I cant see the longevity in it single player.

I dug my way down until I hit a huge underground cave and found some and iron, score. I went back up to my little workshop and smelted it down, made a few nice tools and a bit of armor (smelting is sloooooow so this took about 30 mins), then thought about venturing a bit further. Not far round the corner in the cavern I found an underground spring coming out of the rock which was cool, then just round the corner from that in the dark I was set upon by a load of arrow firing skel type people. I thought Id take them on with my iron sword and did dispatch a few healing up with some grilled pork chops, but then I went round a little further and three of them set on me, so I was deaded. It left me feeling a bit disappointed. I didnt want to respawn and lose all my things, so I quit and will have to go back to my save, which is a shame! It makes me realise that its a game to fill time with in single player but in multiplayer it would be so much better.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 22, 2010, 22:15:04 PM
The trick underground is the fact the monsters spawn in the dark, so make craploads of torches and light those caves up. I just hit the bedrock now, shortly before mining into the side of an underground lavastream ><

The other trick with the smelters...Ive got 4 in a line to batch process stuff. And 6 double chests to store wood, stone, metal, resources, and tools/armour.

Ill slowly get there in terms of getting loads of iron, and then will go about making an uber rollercoaster to/from the spawn point.

I agree about the multiplayer, it would be cool to have a tek fort people can log in to every now and again, go off mining, and then dump the resources for later...come back the next day and find a whole new "knighty wing" attached etc...
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on September 22, 2010, 22:50:31 PM
Yeah mining to the bedrock then dying in a lava stream after an hour is no fun for one person, I dont have the patience to build my own rollercoaster and things :lol:

I find getting started is the hardest part, I either get killed in the first night or cant gather the raw materials to get my little cavewall workshop setup, coal especialy has been a real pain to find sometimes. Once you have a door though youre pretty much safe from everything until you go too far into the depths or do something stupid, e.g. lavadeath.

6 double chests is mental! I get nowhere near that much stuff together. I do think in future Im going to build camp right next to the spawn point though, I always get lost!
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Bacon on September 23, 2010, 02:32:00 AM
Quote from: Clockd 0Ne
Yeah mining to the bedrock then dying in a lava stream after an hour is no fun for one person, I dont have the patience to build my own rollercoaster and things :lol:

I find getting started is the hardest part, I either get killed in the first night or cant gather the raw materials to get my little cavewall workshop setup, coal especialy has been a real pain to find sometimes. Once you have a door though youre pretty much safe from everything until you go too far into the depths or do something stupid, e.g. lavadeath.

6 double chests is mental! I get nowhere near that much stuff together. I do think in future Im going to build camp right next to the spawn point though, I always get lost!


Its one of the features in the paid game, you can set your spawn location i think, it would make it so much easier, i keep abandoning my bases cus i cant find them again :P
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 23, 2010, 07:46:27 AM
Hmm, Ill need to look into the set spawn point feature.

The lava death isnt too bad actually...I didnt die. It adds an element to the game when you know you are near lava that you have to mine carefully so if you do hit some it doesnt pour on you. It moves so slowly that you can outrun it and dig a ditch to stop it going further. The main annoyance is when you open up an area with decent resources, hit "one more block" only to fill the area with lava.

The double chests are hardly full, but are there so that I dont end up having to move things around in the future like I ended up doing with the wooden walls.

Does anyone actually have a server they could run this on 24/7 so paid up members could go online? I know there are loads of servers available as is, and I dont know if you can make a private server, but if you could...
Title: Minecraft
Post by: knighty on September 23, 2010, 23:11:20 PM
i could run it at work..... 14me down/1meg up enough for it ?  ping times are good.....  no idea how well it would run ?


(the work connection is only there for the cctv and sits doing nothing 24/7)
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 24, 2010, 08:11:51 AM
Only issue is I think you might need a paid account to run the server? Ive not looked into it myself as I could never host it.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Mongoose on September 24, 2010, 10:08:38 AM
Grr @ you Zpyder! this game is too good!

bang goes my free time for a while!

Anyone done anything cool with redstone dust yet? Ive mined a load of it but havent decided what to do with it yet.

edit: except make a compass, thats a good use of redstone. Redstone in the middle + 4x iron around it to make a + shape makes a compass which always points towards your spawn point.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on September 24, 2010, 11:12:49 AM
Ive built a huge fort on top of a big hill, stone steps all the way up, then followed this up with a torchlit path down to a small mine camp and a mine leading to the bedrock. Ive found lots of redstone but no diamonds or gold this time (gold is actually pretty useless though, its as durable as wood!). I think now would be an ideal time to make a compass and a secure torchlit fenced area and pathway leading from spawn point to my camp. If I die somewhere now Ill be pretty gutted, its the first time Ive managed to get enough thread to make a bow and arrow too! Its also the first world thats been built with snow. I didnt like it at first but Im used to it now. Iced over lakes are much easier to cross and kill animals on.

Im really tempted to buy it for multiplayer shenanigans.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Mongoose on September 24, 2010, 11:54:51 AM
Ive got a couple of strongholds, none as polished looking as Zpyders. My original one includes a mine shaft right down to bedrock and Ive been mining out from just above that. So far found tones of redstone, some Iron, a little gold and loads of coal.

My current project is a tunnel to my spawn point, aided by my shiney new compass. When I die, it tends to be at night and getting back to base without dieing again is close to impossible. Project was going well but Ive just hit an underground cave so going to have to equip for battle before exploring. Apparently there can be monster generators in these caves, and of course its dark in there so who knows what lurks within.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: skidzilla on September 24, 2010, 12:57:17 PM
Quote from: Mongoose

Anyone done anything cool with redstone dust yet? Ive mined a load of it but havent decided what to do with it yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lWNjCyrdpg&hd=1

^Not mine, but I bet you could do some cool stuff like that. (http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Redstone_circuits) :)
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on September 24, 2010, 15:12:38 PM
Well Ive still been alright digging out the Earths core, I had a small incident with a skel and a spider appearing as I hadnt lit up my growing cavern quite enough, but I did finally get some diamonds! Ive now got a diamond pickaxe saved in my stash. Still finding iron scarce, Ive got too much redstone and a bit of gold. I might make some gold armor (Im guessing it will be better than leather at least). Once im done digging for a bit my next project will be a tunnel to spawn too i think.

oh and I also started finding eggs today near chickens - friday updates? Anyone know what they do?
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Mongoose on September 24, 2010, 15:33:00 PM
Quote from: skidzilla
Quote from: Mongoose

Anyone done anything cool with redstone dust yet? Ive mined a load of it but havent decided what to do with it yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lWNjCyrdpg&hd=1

^Not mine, but I bet you could do some cool stuff like that. (http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Redstone_circuits) :)


OMFG!!!

I think I might try something simpler first
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 24, 2010, 17:16:36 PM
Compass will be cool :D

I have to decide, Minecraft or Civ V now!

EDIT:

Yay, sound works again on minecraft. And I just found a monster spawner and 2 chests in a dungeon. Some cool loot stuff in there.

Edit 2:
I think a spawn tunnel will be a good idea. Ive sunk another mine shaft, found craploads of iron, coal and some gold, but its swarming down there, nearly dead, so a quick safe access is needed as I forsee losing a lot of materials otherwise!
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Mongoose on September 24, 2010, 22:12:50 PM
wow, diamond tipped tools are made of win. Well technically theyre made of diamond but you know what I mean!!

Ive finished my spawn tunnel, and built myself an underwater greenhouse of destiny to grow some crops

Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 24, 2010, 22:32:10 PM
How did you do the greenhouse? Block up a river and then flood it?
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Mongoose on September 24, 2010, 22:42:04 PM
it took some figuring out, I wanted to see if I could build an underwater structure and figured theres no point if you cant tell youre underwater so I went for a glass greenhouse.

I built the outside walls first, then filled the inside with sand to displace the water. Topped it off with glass, then mined my way underneath it and dug the sand out. Voila, dry on the inside, wet on the outside, and all the squares inside are within 4 squares of water so no need for irrigation.

took bloody ages mind!

Oh and I dont recommend placing a block of TNT in the middle to speed up the excavation process. I ended up blowing a hole in my roof!
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 24, 2010, 22:50:07 PM
Hehe excellent.

For another tip, dont mine blocks directly above you. At some point youll mine a block that is holding gravel back and get caught in the landslide ><

Something cool I saw earlier too was a load of sand attached to the cave roof. I mined one bit and the whole lot caved in which was awesome to watch.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Mongoose on September 24, 2010, 22:58:59 PM
mining straight down is similarly unwise in case of unexpected caverns full of zombies.


Im liking my bow and arrow, but Im getting through a LOT of arrows. I seem to be forever chasing chickens around after more feathers. With all the tunnels Ive dug I have a near inexhaustible supply of flint, but feathers I keep running out of.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Bacon on September 25, 2010, 03:29:11 AM
I need to sit down and work this out, i make basic stone tools and mine downwards but then i hit black and grey rock that i cant mine through?
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 25, 2010, 09:06:42 AM
That is bedrock which is basically the bottom of the map. Cant mine it.

Quote
I seem to be forever chasing chickens

Chicken Chaser!

Ive got so much rock from the tunnels Ive started to add floors to my uberfort. I think I have enough to make it 10 stories high.




Looking at the info you dont need to have bought the game to host a multiplayer server, not entirely sure how to make it private though it is possible:

http://minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Server
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 25, 2010, 10:28:58 AM
Awww man, just as a really good mining session hits redstone and gold, I get killed, and by the time I find my way back through the maze of tunnels and caves my gear has gone :( I had stacks of iron, ladders, picks etc.

On the plus side I now have found obsidian and diamonds :D
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Mongoose on September 25, 2010, 12:39:26 PM
obsidian is monster hard to mine, takes ages even with a diamond pick and nothing else will dent it. As far as I know it has no uses other than looking awesome either.

You can make it by pouring water onto lava. Also handy if theres something you want on the other side of a lava pool.

Weirdly Im finding it easier to get feathers by hunting zombies rather than chickens, downside is they fight back and you can end up using more arrows than you gain if you get into a tight spot.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 25, 2010, 13:20:37 PM
Yeah, the area I found the diamond in has water and lava flowing through. After I blocked the water up it dawned on me I could reroute it to neutralise the lava :D I think Ill explore some more down there and get as much as I can in another run and then see about making my roller coaster emergency track to and from the spawn point :D
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Mongoose on September 25, 2010, 18:24:21 PM
Gentlemen, I give you, the very latest in the line of "things which shouldnt exist but which Mongoose decided to make anyway"


[Drum Roll]


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v68/thatguypinchedmyname/floating_fortress_3.jpg)

The Mongoose Sky Fortress of Impenetrability!

[/Drum Roll]


Featuring a commanding view of the surroundings,
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v68/thatguypinchedmyname/floating_fortress_4.jpg)

a fully equipped work station and
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v68/thatguypinchedmyname/floating_fortress_2.jpg)

A large Hydroponic facility
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v68/thatguypinchedmyname/floating_fortress_5.jpg)


whadaya think?
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Mongoose on September 25, 2010, 18:32:17 PM
and while Im at the screenys, inside the underwater greenhouse

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v68/thatguypinchedmyname/underwater_greenhouse_1.jpg)

and seen from the surface

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v68/thatguypinchedmyname/underwater_greenhouse_2.jpg)
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Bacon on September 25, 2010, 19:03:39 PM
OMFG better get started on Homage to Bacon!
Title: Minecraft
Post by: Edd on September 25, 2010, 20:55:29 PM
Mongoose should make the death star shield on endor
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 25, 2010, 21:03:47 PM
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuude...that is epic.

We SO need to sort out a multiplayer server to get some collab efforts going on!
Title: Minecraft
Post by: knighty on September 25, 2010, 21:46:58 PM
Im formating/reinstalling an old laptop right now

Ill install it on there and then leave it at work


can run it from here first to test it ;)
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on September 25, 2010, 23:00:14 PM
Mongoose that is the most awesome thing Ive seen, and Ive seen some cool stuff on Youtube. I spend ages digging and building stuff and dont have anything anywhere near that cool  8-)

What are you using for screenshots, is there an F12 type print screen in game?

Did you use buckets to get the water up into your sky fortress?
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 25, 2010, 23:30:37 PM
Excellent stuff.

I might hold fire on building too much more if theres the possibility of a tek server in the works :D

This is what the uberfort looks like at the moment, its nightime so doesnt really show the scale very well.

"On the outside looking in" (and up the stairway to heaven)
(http://www.zpyder.co.uk/minecraft/m4.jpg)

Looking down the staircase. The lit up Obelisk in the distance is how Ive been marking mineshafts and caves that link up to them. Ive been digging straight small tunnels today and basically lighting up any caves that I run into. Not hit any quite as epic as the one my uberfort is on though. It was classic when I dug a shaft up from the bottom to discover I was about 10 tiles under water in the sea behind the uberfort. I guess I should try and relocate the shaft and block the sea off around it to dry it out :D
(http://www.zpyder.co.uk/minecraft/m2.jpg)

Inside the fort:
(http://www.zpyder.co.uk/minecraft/m3.jpg)

Chests of goodness. I have 2 full of stone now >< Ive been going out on the roof and chucking the excess over the side lol
(http://www.zpyder.co.uk/minecraft/m1.jpg)


2nd floor. Minecraft could do with a "bed" or something which you can use to progress time by 6 hours to skip night time, and/or heal up.
(http://www.zpyder.co.uk/minecraft/m5.jpg)
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Bacon on September 26, 2010, 00:59:09 AM
The Sun coming up from the top of the UBER Tower. The tower is so high the clouds go through it literally, i built it as high as it was possible, theres a block so you cant go higher. Dead centre about an inch up you can see the doorway to the Super Tunnel at the other side of the Sea
(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/8776/mine1.jpg) (http://img684.imageshack.us/i/mine1.jpg/)

A shot of the land from high above
(http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/1906/mine2m.jpg) (http://img826.imageshack.us/i/mine2m.jpg/)

Water below as im falling from the ultimate diving board
(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7427/mine3o.jpg) (http://img401.imageshack.us/i/mine3o.jpg/)

A shot of the diving board, i got steps on the inside of the tower also
(http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/5655/mine4.jpg) (http://img718.imageshack.us/i/mine4.jpg/)

A view from a small part of the super tunnel, this is my version of Euro tunnel, dug under the sea
(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4432/mine5.jpg) (http://img8.imageshack.us/i/mine5.jpg/)

The baby mine, work stopped cus i hit bedrock
(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/8972/mine6.jpg) (http://img706.imageshack.us/i/mine6.jpg/)

The Big one! I was mining this for quite sometime while chatting with Clocked and Knighty :P Both mines have contributed to the UBER Tower
(http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/5285/mine7.jpg) (http://img545.imageshack.us/i/mine7.jpg/)

The End
(http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/8/mine8.jpg) (http://img821.imageshack.us/i/mine8.jpg/)

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Title: Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 26, 2010, 09:37:50 AM
Quote from: knighty
Im formating/reinstalling an old laptop right now

Ill install it on there and then leave it at work


can run it from here first to test it ;)


If youve not bought it yet, I think all we need is the I.P. of the server when its running to join, looking at the multiplayer screen info.
Title: Minecraft
Post by: addictweb on September 26, 2010, 14:46:49 PM
Thought id see what all the fuss is about, dont seem to be able to login (to the stand alone exe). How do you play for free?

Im getting "User Not Premium. Play online once to enable offline"

The online classic version doesnt work for me, throws a java error.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 26, 2010, 14:56:45 PM
The free weekend is over now. Only way is to do the classic, or pay up what is about £9 for lifetime updates etc.

If classic throws a java error chances are the paid alpha would too, so you might want to see if you can fix that error? (security? popup blocker etc?)
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Bacon on September 26, 2010, 15:38:21 PM
Mine still works, i click login and it comes up with the option to play offline

I dont play through the browser, its only a tiny download
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 26, 2010, 16:45:46 PM
I think thats something to do with how the free weekend worked. If you played it during the weekend I think perhaps it counts as that once online thing allowing continued offline play. But for new people, they cant get that first online play (even if you only played it offline) to register?

Compared to other indie games of similar cost I think this is well worth the money.

Unlike most other games it really is quite easy to just play for 5 mins and come back to it the next day, not that you can resist playing for longer or anything...
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Bacon on September 26, 2010, 23:30:43 PM
Welcome to the World of CrackCraft tbh
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Mongoose on September 27, 2010, 07:54:29 AM
thanks guys! I still think Zpyders  uber fort is more polished looking than my sky fortress though. I think hes got more in the way of attention to detail than I have.

Now that the sky fortress is finished I need to explore a cave system which I discovered (read "fell into") while quarrying sand for the glass. I was wandering around minding my own business digging up sand and broke through into a cave like the one Zpyder saw with sand stuck to the roof. The sand I was standing on rapidly ceased to be the roof and I ended up down a rather deep hole!

 Ive used up basically all the resources I got from mining the spawn tunnel. I want to try doing some blasting with TNT if I can get hold of enough gunpowder.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Mongoose on September 27, 2010, 11:11:53 AM
Quote from: Clockd 0Ne
Mongoose that is the most awesome thing Ive seen, and Ive seen some cool stuff on Youtube. I spend ages digging and building stuff and dont have anything anywhere near that cool  8-)

What are you using for screenshots, is there an F12 type print screen in game?

Did you use buckets to get the water up into your sky fortress?


 :whoops:  :whoops: thanks Clockd, thats very kind

The screenys are simple F11 for full screen then PrintScrn and paste into paint jobs. Id have done a walkthrough video like Zpyders but I dont know how!

to get the water I used two buckets. Useful tip for getting water to somewhere a distance from the ocean:

Get two bucket-fulls of water. Dig a 2x2x1 square hole, and put the water in diagonally opposite corners. The hole should fill with still water, and you are now the proud owner of an infinite spring. You can take as much water out of that hole as you like and it will always just fill up again. This is how I got water into the sky fortress, irrigating the first floor relies on the waterfall in the middle and also a moat all the way around the perimeter, which would have taken a VERY long time to fill from the sea! I just made myself an infinite spring inside the sky fortress and filled it up from there. Actually after placing 5 or 6 bucket-fulls the moat itself became an infinite spring which made things even quicker.

As for getting rid of crazy amounts of stone, gravel etc from mining, I have a lava pit in my minehead station into which I throw things I no longer need. Be careful not to put anything flamable near lava though, or bad things could happen.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 27, 2010, 14:40:01 PM
Quote from: Mongoose
thanks guys! I still think Zpyders  uber fort is more polished looking than my sky fortress though. I think hes got more in the way of attention to detail than I have.


I dont think so. I think theres just a contrast between your impossible design, and my classical structure is all!

The sand thing has got me wondering whether itd be possible to make a trap using a pressure plate so if someone/something walks on it they get buried under a load of sand...

One more for the list of things to try if/when we get a tek server up.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Mongoose on September 27, 2010, 16:24:36 PM
Quote from: Mongoose
As for getting rid of crazy amounts of stone, gravel etc from mining, I have a lava pit in my minehead station into which I throw things I no longer need. Be careful not to put anything flamable near lava though, or bad things could happen.


I found this vid which shows quite well what I mean

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhencX2v4FQ&feature=related
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 27, 2010, 16:47:21 PM
Thats why I replaced my uberforts wooden walls with stone fairly early on :D Not that I expect any lava or anything, but I did build it next to a volcano :D

Im tempted to try and set up a server this evening but it wouldnt be a permanent solution and if Knighty gets his sorted any progress we made (If I could actually get it to work) would be lost.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Mongoose on September 27, 2010, 17:08:11 PM
Id love to do some multiplayer, getting a tad busy at the moment so Im going to be limited in when I can play for a while but if I know somethings going on and I can make it I will.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 27, 2010, 17:10:58 PM
Maybe Tekheads could host it :D
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: XEntity on September 27, 2010, 20:05:37 PM
I hate you all!

Got back from Iceland last night and had the day off today, downloaded this, and havent done anything else today!
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Mongoose on September 27, 2010, 22:10:15 PM
according to those random comments on the Minecraft startup screen, the minecraft world is 3x larger than the real world.

I wonder if it was coded on a mac?
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: matt5cott on September 28, 2010, 17:15:55 PM
http://www.maxconsole.net/content.php?42425-Indie-dev-making-350-000-per-DAY-from-Minecraft-game
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Mongoose on September 28, 2010, 17:41:24 PM
wow I wish I was a decent programmer with one certifiably fantastic idea!
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 28, 2010, 17:49:19 PM
He deserves it tbh.

Though mind you if that was me, after a month Id probably just sell the game and retire for life.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: knighty on September 28, 2010, 17:52:22 PM
Quote from: zpyder
He deserves it tbh.

Though mind you if that was me, after a month Id probably just sell the game and retire for life.


as long as its stable..... he doesnt need to do anything else ?

tho I guess theres always room for improvment
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Mongoose on September 28, 2010, 19:35:47 PM
if hes sensible and genuinely enjoys the coding, it means he can now focus on making the game awesome without having to worry about where his next meal is coming from. Then when Minecraft tails off hell have enough of a nest egg behind him to move on to his next project in peace.

when youre talking money of that magnitude it doesnt have to be stable for long, 2% interest on £1,000,000 is still £20 grand a year!
Title: Minecraft
Post by: knighty on September 28, 2010, 20:04:28 PM
got it up and running on the laptop ready to take to work, but it looks like you have to pay, so you can login to the minecraft server before it will accept the connection on the server Im running :(

also looks like my server is trying to ping (or something like that) the main minecraft server, but its not working


Ill look into it some more, only set it up 5 min ago, but thought Id keep you guys updated :-)
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 28, 2010, 20:13:31 PM
That sucks. Question is are any of us addicted enough to buy you an account?
Title: Minecraft
Post by: knighty on September 28, 2010, 20:15:38 PM
all up and running, only thing is you have to pay to connect to it

(its free to run)

has anyone paid for it yet ?
(I probably will just to see what all you guys are doing, its cheap enough)


Ive got to run off, but Ill be back later on :-)

edit:  anyone who has paid

my ip address is 78.105.191.184  (port is 25565 but you shouldnt need that)

test it out ?    don;t bother starting properly yet tho, just fool around till I make sure its right.... I don;t want to loose all your hard work !
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 28, 2010, 20:19:41 PM
Ahhhh ok, I thought you meant you needed to pay to host.

I have a paid account and am guessing Mongoose does too. I thought we all knew that multiplayer = paid accounts.

If you want to PM or post the server details Ill see if I can join and get building tonight :D
Title: Minecraft
Post by: knighty on September 28, 2010, 20:21:02 PM
see edit above :-)


Ill be back in 5 min to see if its working, but then need to run off for a few hours :o
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 28, 2010, 20:23:23 PM
Im getting "logging in" followed by "Disconnected by server Took too long to log in" error messages, could be me more than you though, will see if I need to do anything special to connect like sort out ports.
Title: Minecraft
Post by: knighty on September 28, 2010, 20:41:35 PM
i can see you trying.... are you cjam ?  (or does that just stand for something else)

just says the same message here, took too long to log in
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 28, 2010, 20:43:49 PM
Yup Im Cjam

Im trying to find out what the deal is but no luck.

Youve not got some whitelist thing going on, and there isnt a setting needing setting that states how long you can have before you time out?
Title: Minecraft
Post by: knighty on September 28, 2010, 20:47:57 PM
its because the minecraft servers are being overloaded, it needs to check your login with the main server as part of the login to the server Im running, and its taking too long.... I made some changes to the server settings so it should be ok now (try again)
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 28, 2010, 20:49:27 PM
Still no joy.

Did you try turning the authentication off suggested here:

http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1013&t=39294&p=728529&hilit=took+too+long#p728256

Ill keep trying as supposedly itll work eventually...
Title: Minecraft
Post by: knighty on September 28, 2010, 20:51:22 PM
yep, thats the page I read too :(

as far as I can see, theres nothing else I can do :-(

the only control i have over the server program is this text file....
Quote

#Minecraft server properties
#Thu Nov 04 02:11:50 GMT 2010
verify-names=false
online-mode=true
monsters=false
server-ip=192.168.1.54
server-port=25565
max-players=50
level-name=tekworld



got to go, bbl !

firewall etc.. should all be ok, you are connecting to it....
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 28, 2010, 20:54:09 PM
I shouldnt need to do anything firewall-y should I? I mean, its connecting and your server is seeing me, so if something was blocking the connection it wouldnt get that far?

Ill try rebooting the router, maybe a fresh IP will help.
Title: Minecraft
Post by: knighty on September 29, 2010, 00:02:00 AM
erm... still no luck then ?

has anyone else tried ?   I cant see anything in the log...

as far as the server goes all I have is this....

(http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/9104/35033923.png)

cjam is you, 192.168.1.69 is me

I dont know what else to do.... ?
Title: Minecraft
Post by: knighty on September 29, 2010, 00:08:35 AM
ip address is 78.105.191.184 (port is 25565 but you shouldnt need that)


Ill leave it up 24/7 until it starts to work or we figure it out ;)



zpyder, try sticking the port number in, in the ip box enter 78.105.191.184:25565
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on September 29, 2010, 00:10:30 AM
Id try it out but I dont have the paid for version yet.
Title: Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 29, 2010, 07:40:58 AM
Quote from: knighty
ip address is 78.105.191.184 (port is 25565 but you shouldnt need that)


Ill leave it up 24/7 until it starts to work or we figure it out ;)



zpyder, try sticking the port number in, in the ip box enter 78.105.191.184:25565

Tried with and without the port and still get the same thing. Hopefully Mongoose or someone can confirm whether its me or the Minecraft server playing up by logging in.

supposedly when checking ports 25565 is closed for me, but afaik its all open on the router.

EDIT:

I just tried (successfully) to connect to one of the servers on the minecraft servers page. I logged in straight away, so Im thinking it might not be my computer.

Maybe a silly question, but are you sure you got the alpha multiplayer server and not the classic server?
Title: Minecraft
Post by: knighty on September 29, 2010, 09:28:27 AM
yep, its the alpha one !

Ill google a bit more and see if I can figure it out !
Title: Minecraft
Post by: knighty on September 29, 2010, 09:40:59 AM
zpyder, can you try re-downloading minecraft and then trying to connect ?  (run it from a different folder so it doesnt mess with your maps etc..)

theres a suggestion its because the server Im running is the newest version, and the client is older :o
(pre/post free game time)
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Mongoose on September 29, 2010, 09:58:37 AM
oooo developments!

Ill try later on, I was out fencing last night so only just saw all these new posts and obviously cant try while Im at work but Ill give it a go when I get home.
Title: Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 29, 2010, 10:10:08 AM
Quote from: knighty
zpyder, can you try re-downloading minecraft and then trying to connect ?  (run it from a different folder so it doesnt mess with your maps etc..)

theres a suggestion its because the server Im running is the newest version, and the client is older :o
(pre/post free game time)


Im already using the latest and greatest :(

I tried it on the parents computer so had to redownload this morning and got the same problem ><
Title: Minecraft
Post by: knighty on September 29, 2010, 10:24:28 AM
http://www.minecraft.net/play.jsp?ip=78.105.191.184:25565

give that a try ?   should load it up in a web page.....
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 29, 2010, 11:07:48 AM
Holy moly that works!

I thought I was trying that before once or twice but it just crashed me browser. Maybe I didnt have the URL just right!

EDIT:

The client still doesnt work though.

Also, Ive tried making some stuff quickly and refreshing it to see if it stays, and it doesnt. I get the impression that its basically emulating single player or something. However even if I choose to save the world, when I refresh I cant load it up :(

Could be me rushing around doing stuff rather than reading the (nonexistant) instructions. I *should* be *working*...
Title: Minecraft
Post by: knighty on September 29, 2010, 11:23:56 AM
its odd.... Im not sure whats happening.... but its not showing anyone connecting to the server ?

could i use your password for 5 min and see if it works for me via lan :o  (pm?)

(Im not going to buy it if multilayer doesnt work)
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 29, 2010, 11:27:49 AM
To be honest if you can get the server hosted 24/7 and working properly, Ill buy you an account ;) PM sent for now to ensure its not just me.

(Ill regret those words Im sure)

Seeing as Ive bought it at half price on alpha, buying it again is like getting 2 games for the price of 1, or something...


I wonder if the link was ignoring the IP address stuff and just loading up in the browser as single player for me.
Title: Minecraft
Post by: knighty on September 29, 2010, 11:36:27 AM
tested, logging in with your username/password I get the same took too long to login message that you get :-(

Ive googled my ass off, but cant find a fix... Ive re-downloaded the server twice already :(

I dont mind paying for it.... if I can get the server to work.... I dont know what could be wrong with it ?
Title: Minecraft
Post by: knighty on September 29, 2010, 11:39:01 AM
ok, its something to do with the laptop Im running it on....

if I run a server on my machine, and login with 127.0.0.1 it all works....

give me a few min to sort it ;)
Title: Minecraft
Post by: knighty on September 29, 2010, 11:50:07 AM
FIXED, WORKING, DONE !!!!

78.105.191.184

Ive got dns setup at work already, so will have a proper url once I take it to work ;)

(might as well leave it here for a few days first)


(p.s. it lagged a bit for me, and thats over lan, but thats apparently normal, you have to turn the render distance down a bit)
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 29, 2010, 11:56:53 AM
OMFGWTFBBQ!

Have my babies!

Damnit, now Im stuck having to work from home with the client just sitting there saying "play me".

Feel free to use the account till this evening, I might have just auto logged you out by logging in to test it myself lol.

Might be worth resetting the world a few times till the terrain looks decent/cool without being too fragmented or boring?
Title: Minecraft
Post by: knighty on September 29, 2010, 11:59:32 AM
i better not log in incase is sees us both trying to use the same login from different IPs and banns you ?

Ive given you op status (not sure what it does)

not sure how, but I can give you admin status so you can change maps etc. yourself too :-)
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 29, 2010, 12:09:54 PM
Excellent

To be honest the world doesnt look too shabby. Spawn point is on a small outcrop of sand and earth in the sea, theres a hill I can see in the distance...as far as a safe start point this could do though its a trek to the hill/land. I guess further discussion could move to the tek planning thread, Ill put some screenshots up of the new world/spawn point and let the fun begin. Can leave this thread for a more of an overview of minecraft :D
Title: Minecraft
Post by: knighty on September 29, 2010, 12:16:26 PM
cool, does it all run ok ? not too laggy ?

http://minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Op

feel free to take control of it, opp people etc... :-)
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 29, 2010, 12:18:31 PM
So was it a setting on the laptop, or have you just hosted it on a diff comp?

Seems alright, not really played with it too much though. Bookmarked that link as I imagine the spawn point will want to be moved sometime. Hopefully when people are on tonight we can decide on a new spawn location or something :D

Ill be on from about 5 I guess :D
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Mongoose on September 29, 2010, 13:09:53 PM
I just tried going in through the web client but, annoyingly but not unexpectedly, the web client wont run on my work machine.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: addictweb on September 29, 2010, 13:24:20 PM
Ok, im struggling now, im tempted to buy this and play but I still havent worked out what the point of the game its?

Is it just mine and build stuff? Once youve spent ages mining and building a structure is there any use for it? If only id got in on the free weekend!
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Mongoose on September 29, 2010, 13:29:02 PM
the objective is to survive, at night zombies come and try to eat your brains (unless youve accidentally got the difficulty on "peaceful").

beyond that its basically an open ended sandbox. Now that I have a stronghold Im satisfied with (the sky fortress), Im planning to play the single player mode much more casually, just popping out at night to beat up some zombies or exploring the odd cavern. Ive recently found some green mossy cobblestone in my mine after digging towards the sound of skeletons, so Im currently plotting how best to take control of their dungeon and turn it into an arrow factory.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 29, 2010, 13:43:35 PM
Best way to think of it is multiplayer lego, with zombies.

Whats the point in lego? To build whatever the hell you want.

Whats the point in zombies? To scare the crap out of you and give you something to run away from.

Whats the point in lego with zombies? To build whatever the hell you want and occasionally get a cheap scare from. And to build things to get revenge on said zombies.





I myself quite liked exploring the cave system under the uber fort. It really is rather expansive, took a week to explore. I know its nothing like caving IRL (theres no zombies) but it was fun to see where things went, knock through a wall and see what was on the other side, as well as the minor challenges of getting to resources on the other side of chasms etc.

Really its like blockland, but better. Itll be cool to see what people get up to in multiplayer, hunting parties into caves, developing a massive trap system and then luring a spider or something in, roller coasters etc. Even if its simple stupid stuff like building a tower up to the max and then jumping off and seeing if you can hit the target or something ><

(That might be fun actually...highest tower and you have to land in the 1block wide water filled tunnel (assuming that this will save you))
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on September 29, 2010, 14:00:02 PM
Bacon tried that, you can fall as far as you like as long as its into water I think.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 29, 2010, 14:06:23 PM
Bacon did it into the sea...not the equivalent of a high dive into a bucket ;)

When I start playing tonight Ill do a quick Fraps video of "Day 0".
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 29, 2010, 17:30:42 PM
Theres a wee bit of lag and Ive noticed an interesting bug where you cant build/destroy blocks within x distance of the spawn point, so instead Ive made a small bridge to another island and Im in the process of flattening it and replacing the sand ground layer with stone. Its a MASSIVE area so lots of room to expand, add rooms, storage boxes etc.

Sadly no monsters though.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Bacon on September 29, 2010, 17:46:13 PM
Quote from: zpyder
Bacon did it into the sea...not the equivalent of a high dive into a bucket ;)

When I start playing tonight Ill do a quick Fraps video of "Day 0".


The first test i did was into a waterfall, the part i landed in was like half a block / waist deep if not less, that was from the top of a mountain.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Mongoose on September 29, 2010, 19:17:50 PM
OK my desktop has chosen this evening to refuse point blank to connect to my wireless, so Im trying from my laptop. I dont hold out much hope since the lappy doesnt like single player minecraft and wont be able to stop more than a couple of minutes anyway, but worth a try.

edit: no joy, it just sticks on "connecting to server"

Ill check my firewall settings

Knighty can you see if Im attempting to log in as far as the server is concerned? my Minecraft name is TEKmongoose (mongoose was taken and Im unimaginative!)
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: soopahfly on September 30, 2010, 20:34:21 PM
Ive noticed that when a tool is about to run out, put it down and pick it up again.  Voila! New tool!
Could do with a bookmark system though, so I dont need to keep coming to this thread for the IP.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on September 30, 2010, 23:03:11 PM
Day 2 at the tek basecamp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxdslG8lcko
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: DEViANCE on October 01, 2010, 00:02:21 AM
all the tech and gfx these days and you lot are going nuts for a game that looks like doom  :rofl:

i have not idea what you guys see in it but ill have to give it ago.
Title: Minecraft
Post by: knighty on October 01, 2010, 04:27:08 AM
clocked, bacon and I did a bit of work earlier.... the entrance is much warmer now :-)
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on October 01, 2010, 07:29:36 AM
Quote from: DEViANCE
all the tech and gfx these days and you lot are going nuts for a game that looks like doom  :rofl:

i have not idea what you guys see in it but ill have to give it ago.


Now theres an idea...whos up for rebuilding one of the levels from doom?!
Title: Minecraft
Post by: zpyder on October 01, 2010, 07:39:25 AM
Quote from: knighty
clocked, bacon and I did a bit of work earlier.... the entrance is much warmer now :-)


Just logged in...omfg you were busy last night.
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: soopahfly on October 01, 2010, 08:37:58 AM
So, How long until we can do this?

(http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/831/ridethepig.gif)
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: matt5cott on October 01, 2010, 09:34:17 AM
I think the graphics for this game look great :bowdown:

zpyder nice one on posting the videos, theyre great to watch :nana:
Title: Re:Minecraft
Post by: Mongoose on October 01, 2010, 10:29:31 AM
Quote from: soopahfly
So, How long until we can do this?

(http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/831/ridethepig.gif)


you already can in single player, one of the possible loot items when you find an enemy cave with treasure chests in it is a saddle. You can put this saddle on a pig and ride it. Alas you cannot control where the pig goes so its quite a lot like the gif really.
Title: Minecraft
Post by: knighty on October 01, 2010, 12:36:44 PM
looks like a minecraft.net server is down again :-(

(can;t lot in = cant play :( )