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Title: Modern Guitar Heroes
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on June 15, 2006, 22:19:09 PM
Why are there so few?

Is it the way music is changing or is there simply less and less that can be done originally on a guitar?

There are so few I would consider truly great, pioneering or charismatic that they can be counted on one hand. There are many competent players that simply lack originality or go over the same scales and its quite sad in one respect. We need some more modern players in godlike league of Hendrix to get kids to want to go out and buy a guitar.
Title: Re:Modern Guitar Heroes
Post by: brummie on June 15, 2006, 22:20:41 PM
LOL creases me when "the edge" gets mentioned as a great  :rofl:

EDIT: reminded me of a Bill Bailey sketech now i think of it  :lol:
Title: Modern Guitar Heroes
Post by: Walrusbonzo on June 15, 2006, 22:21:46 PM
Quote from: Clockd 0NeWhy are there so few?

Is it the way music is changing or is there simply less and less that can be done originally on a guitar?

There are so few I would consider truly great, pioneering or charismatic that they can be counted on one hand. There are many competent players that simply lack originality or go over the same scales and its quite sad in one respect. We need some more modern players in godlike league of Hendrix to get kids to want to go out and buy a guitar.

Chill dude, Im working on it LOL  :lol:
Title: Re:Modern Guitar Heroes
Post by: Walrusbonzo on June 15, 2006, 22:22:02 PM
Quote from: brummieLOL creases me when "the edge" gets mentioned as a great  :rofl:

I agree, U2 are just overrated pap.
Title: Modern Guitar Heroes
Post by: maximusotter on June 15, 2006, 22:29:08 PM
The Edge is hugely influential, especially the driving sound from War and even the Lanois tempered sound on "Unforgettable Fire". Hes not the most technical proficient guitarist, but in the end, thats not what matters.

Larry Mullen Jr. on the other hand, is one of my favorite drummers of all time. Very martial and serious, but so dang tight. :thumbup:
Title: Re:Modern Guitar Heroes
Post by: Cypher on June 15, 2006, 22:30:11 PM
Tom Morello is one that allways comes to mind.  A very unique style and a source of influence for future guitarists.  

The man is famous for making a guitar sound nothing like a guitar making people to believe the use of samples on certain tracks.  He will use anything he can get his hands on for a plectrum, pens, screwdrivers, you name it.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Morello

Edge tbh, I cant mock whether I like U2 or not.  Very influencial and will allways turn up in greatest ever lists.

Jack White has allways impressed me whenever I have seen live footage of the two performing.
Title: Modern Guitar Heroes
Post by: maximusotter on June 15, 2006, 22:33:20 PM
Give my vote to Frank Black (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Black), tbh.
Title: Modern Guitar Heroes
Post by: brummie on June 15, 2006, 22:33:59 PM
Quote from: maximusotterThe Edge is hugely influential, especially the driving sound from War and even the Lanois tempered sound on "Unforgettable Fire". Hes not the most technical proficient guitarist, but in the end, thats not what matters.

hes sh*t max.  :roll: you been on the C16 H16 N2 O2?
Title: Modern Guitar Heroes
Post by: maximusotter on June 15, 2006, 22:37:27 PM
Quote from: brummie
Quote from: maximusotterThe Edge is hugely influential, especially the driving sound from War and even the Lanois tempered sound on "Unforgettable Fire". Hes not the most technical proficient guitarist, but in the end, thats not what matters.

hes sh*t max.  :roll: you been on the C16 H16 N2 O2?

Your opinion doesnt matter. Hes still go down in history as an important guitarist.

Your explanation that "hes sh*t" contains no substance or worthy critique or commentary.
Title: Modern Guitar Heroes
Post by: brummie on June 15, 2006, 22:39:38 PM
Quote from: maximusotter
Quote from: brummie
Quote from: maximusotterThe Edge is hugely influential, especially the driving sound from War and even the Lanois tempered sound on "Unforgettable Fire". Hes not the most technical proficient guitarist, but in the end, thats not what matters.

hes sh*t max.  :roll: you been on the C16 H16 N2 O2?

Your opinion doesnt matter. Hes still go down in history as an important guitarist.

Your explanation that "hes sh*t" contains no substance or worthy critique or commentary.

but he is, no better than 99% of the others. Done nowt important other than be in a succesful band which TBH most other gutarists could have done too.
Title: Re:Modern Guitar Heroes
Post by: Dave on June 15, 2006, 22:42:15 PM
tis a fair point

might as well chuck in noel gallagher if were just going on guitarist-whos-played-in-big-band as a measure of greatness
Title: Re:Modern Guitar Heroes
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on June 15, 2006, 22:43:00 PM
Quote from: brummieLOL creases me when "the edge" gets mentioned as a great  :rofl:

EDIT: reminded me of a Bill Bailey sketech now i think of it  :lol:

I know the exact sketch you mean :lol:

On the point of The Edge, he is no technical Malmsteen but hes got an instantly recognisable sound like Brian May, they play one note and you know its them.

Frusciante is one of the few modern greats. IMO Huey is a tremendous player and receives very little credit for his ability on a Les Paul or a lap steel, playing Van Halen style through three Marshall stacks. He even plugs his lap steel into a stack  :lol: Both of those guys can play tremendous solos and hooks.

Slash, hes instantly recognisable and charismatic, makes you want to grab a guitar.

Thats what Im on about. Players that make you want to play yourself, even if its only air guitar.


edit: I found this quite amusing
Quote"Everybodys going to remember your songs, its just that nobodys gonna be able to play them" - Bob Dylan (in reference to Edges delay-ridden riffs)
Title: Re:Modern Guitar Heroes
Post by: Dave on June 15, 2006, 22:46:49 PM
I know Im going to be completely slated for this....

but brian adams guitarist Keith Scott is actually pretty damn good....

...now Im going to get slated for this even more....

was pretty amazing live too (yes I went to a brian adams concert a few years back & Im not ashamed!)

quote from wikipedia:

QuoteOne part of Keiths live career which was particularly demanding was when Adamss band were touring as a 3 piece from 1998 to 2002. Scott performed all the rhythm and lead guitar work simultaneously, while Adams played bass and the third band member, Mickey Curry, played drums. In later years, however, the band developed into a 5-piece band, allowing Scott to play lead guitar while Adams plays rhythm. Adamss concerts often allow Scott to perform a "showcase song" to show off his lead guitar skills. Adams stands back and lets Scott go to town on an improvised solo, sometimes involving the use of microphone stands, beer bottles, or other items that can be applied to guitar strings.
Title: Modern Guitar Heroes
Post by: Norphy on June 15, 2006, 22:50:32 PM
Mark Knopfler is instantly recognisable too and has done plenty of air guitar worthy tracks :)

Nowt wrong with Bryan Adams imo, he has done some really good stuff. If it wasnt for that single that stayed at No. 1 for four months, he probably wouldnt get slated as much.
Title: Modern Guitar Heroes
Post by: maximusotter on June 15, 2006, 22:52:02 PM
Oh oh oh!!! Best guitarist that makes other guit players cry is David Rawlins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rawlings) who plays with Gillian Welch. Ive seen them live here three times, and the audience is very music industry, yet nobodys jaded when he plays--though he does elicit cries of "holy sh*t!" when he solos. Just amazing.

Title: Modern Guitar Heroes
Post by: PuNk on June 15, 2006, 23:24:30 PM
Jon Gomm

http://www.jongomm.com

Personally I prefer something a little simpler like Dallas Green (http://www.myspace.com/dallasgreen)
Title: Re:Modern Guitar Heroes
Post by: Quixoticish on June 16, 2006, 00:53:15 AM
Vegard Tveitan, Alexi Laiho, Christofer Johnsson, Yngwie Malmsteen, Joey DeMaio, they all float my boat off the top of my head. Its hard to classify a "guitar hero" because its all conjecture. A lot of the people listed as greats like The Edge and Jimmy Page I dont rate that much. I think a lot of these "greats" lists are formulated by middle aged men in various stages of mid life crisis attempting to remind themselves of and recapture a bit of their lost youth while viewing the players of the past through rose tinted glasses. Blind, slavish faith to a band they loved when younger.

Im sure its inevitable that well all go through that in the future.  8)
Title: Re:Modern Guitar Heroes
Post by: Pete on June 16, 2006, 09:59:49 AM
QuoteI agree, U2 are just overrated pap.

 :stupid:
Title: Modern Guitar Heroes
Post by: redneck on June 16, 2006, 10:11:20 AM
jimmy page, joe saatriachi (cant remember his name)

the guys from dream theatre.


BUT THE F**KING EDGE? JACK WHITE????

ARE YOU ON CRACK???? DO YOU KNOW WAT DAY IT IS???
Title: Modern Guitar Heroes
Post by: maximusotter on June 16, 2006, 16:18:31 PM
Quote from: redJACK WHITE????

I must say that one of my favorite guitar dirges is  Jacks "Ball & Biscuit". Its highly derivative of Jimmy Page and B.B. Kings work--but still great chunky playing in its own right.
Title: Re:Modern Guitar Heroes
Post by: Walrusbonzo on June 18, 2006, 11:46:04 AM
Some of my Faves

Jimi Hendrix
Jimmy Page
Eric Clapton a.k.a Slowhand
Jeff Beck
Donald Roeser a.k.a Buck Dharma
Dave Navarro
John Frusciante
Hillel Slovak
John Squire
David Gilmour
Robert Fripp
Edward Van Halen
Steve Vai
Frank Zappa
Allen Collins
Gary Rossington
Bryan May
John Fogerty
Graham Coxon
George Benson
Gary Moore
Keith Richards
Tom Morello
Mark Knopfler
Ritchie Blackmore
Alvin Lee
Nuno Bettencourt
Neil Young
Stuart Zender
Nick McCabe
Mike Einziger
James Iha
Steve Craddock
Joe Satriani
Kirk Hammett
Billy Corgan
Tony Iommi
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Darrell Abbott a.k.a Dimebag Darrell
Zakk Wylde
Lenny Kravitz
Kim Thayil
Joe Perry
Saul Hudson a.k.a Slash
Joe Walsh
Eric Johnson
Angus Young
Tom Verlaine
Jorma Kaukonen
Jonny Greenwood
Randy Rhoads
Terry Kath
Noel Gallagher
John Petrucci
Adrian Belew
David Lindley
Yngwie Malmsteen
Tommy Bolin

They may not all be "greats", but I like them as much for their simplicity and the music they created.
Title: Re:Modern Guitar Heroes
Post by: M3ta7h3ad on June 18, 2006, 12:13:22 PM
Quote from: brummieLOL creases me when "the edge" gets mentioned as a great  :rofl:

EDIT: reminded me of a Bill Bailey sketech now i think of it  :lol:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1946423117058292213&q=bill+bailey

Indeed :D  :lol:
Title: Re:Modern Guitar Heroes
Post by: snellgrove on June 18, 2006, 12:19:08 PM
Quote from: CypherTom Morello is one that allways comes to mind.  A very unique style and a source of influence for future guitarists.  

The man is famous for making a guitar sound nothing like a guitar making people to believe the use of samples on certain tracks.  He will use anything he can get his hands on for a plectrum, pens, screwdrivers, you name it.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Morello

Yupppp, first guy I thought of too, after ol Satch :D

Morello is great, his style is genuinely, unique.