got announced. pics of the controller, but none of the console.
queue the xbox fanbois ripping it
No need to change a winning formula by much! The fact that it has maintained the same design for so long speaks volumes. Gimmicky touchscreen/lightbar stuff aside, all thats changed really are the sticks are ridged now, that was all that was needed anyway.
Don't trust any of the screens they've shown yet. Sony are notorious for showing pre-renders and claiming they're real.
Still wish they'd change the controller. The stock Sony one is awful.
Quote from: soopahfly on February 21, 2013, 11:59:00 AM
Don't trust any of the screens they've shown yet. Sony are notorious for showing pre-renders and claiming they're real.
Still wish they'd change the controller. The stock Sony one is awful.
fanboi +1
Quote from: Eggtastico on February 21, 2013, 16:50:50 PM
Quote from: soopahfly on February 21, 2013, 11:59:00 AM
Don't trust any of the screens they've shown yet. Sony are notorious for showing pre-renders and claiming they're real.
Still wish they'd change the controller. The stock Sony one is awful.
fanboi +1
Yeah, that's why I'm a PSN+ member with a PS3 and a Vita. ::)
http://raptr.com/soopahfly/games
Fwiw i hear the xbox is pretty much identical hardware wise
Consoles just seem to be getting so closely related to high/mid end pc's now in architecture and functionality, although a £300 console is a lot cheaper than it would cost to build a high end pc.
isnt it actually a big step for them in terms of the base hardware? moving to pc style rather than whatever that cell architecture was?
They really will have had to overhaul the entire back end to get all the streaming and stuff working right, but if they do get it working as planned it should be great. Hopefully the UI will be a lot better to navigate too as the PS3s is awful. Glad they've also found something to make decent use of the Move controllers too.
I must be one of the few that finds the PS3 menu navigation much nicer than the X-Box one, its completely logical. As long as they keep all the media centre functionality and don't turn it into a social media gamers platform I'd be one to consider upgrading.
Why are you guys talking about the controller as if it did not change?
It has wider to fit a share button and also has the touchpad on the front and the big ass light from the Move sticks on the front of it. Its changing quite a bit.
Quote from: neXus on February 21, 2013, 21:08:32 PM
Why are you guys talking about the controller as if it did not change?
It has wider to fit a share button and also has the touchpad on the front and the big ass light from the Move sticks on the front of it. Its changing quite a bit.
The PS3 pad was too small, button travel too small, shape of the R2/L2 buttons was poor.
I had to put the gel tabs on the sticks and trigger grips on the pad to make it usable. Xbox has the pad design nailed imo.
Remind me the console timeline, I think I'm out of whack, I thought the 360 was a fair bit older than the PS3 is, I thought it was:
Playstation
Xbox
Playstation 2
Xbox 360
Playstation 3
-Playstation 4 & xbox???
Xbox 360 and PS3 are of the same generation. Xbox was out marginally before the PS3.
Quote from: soopahfly on February 22, 2013, 10:15:16 AM
Xbox 360 and PS3 are of the same generation. Xbox was out marginally before the PS3.
xbox 360 was out a whole year before ps3. In euro zone the PS3 was released 16 months after the xbox360 euro release date.
fwiw, ive heard via an MS employee that the hardware between the ps4 & xbox 720 are pretty much identical, the ps4 is setup to be backwards compatible, where as the the 720 wont be & this allows them to maximise the hardware for 720 - while the PS4 is being held back because of backwards capability. Also, the 720 will have something new & will do away with the 'used game market'.
Given how sh*t everything is that MS is churning out at the moment I can't see them doing anthing revolutionary with the 720 (the irony is in the name!)
Backawards compatability and used game support is a big deal.
Quote from: Eggtastico on February 22, 2013, 16:18:26 PM
Quote from: soopahfly on February 22, 2013, 10:15:16 AM
Xbox 360 and PS3 are of the same generation. Xbox was out marginally before the PS3.
xbox 360 was out a whole year before ps3. In euro zone the PS3 was released 16 months after the xbox360 euro release date.
fwiw, ive heard via an MS employee that the hardware between the ps4 & xbox 720 are pretty much identical, the ps4 is setup to be backwards compatible, where as the the 720 wont be & this allows them to maximise the hardware for 720 - while the PS4 is being held back because of backwards capability. Also, the 720 will have something new & will do away with the 'used game market'.
The PS4 is not properly backwards compatible. You will not be able to pop in a PS3 game and play it on the PS4. What is being done is that you will be able to play PS1, 2 and 3 games via Gaikai streaming on the PS4. What they haven't said is if you will have to re-buy the games you already own, but I'm betting they will expect you to as they're not going to just let everyone play the older games for free.
Not sure I like the sound of the used game market going. Mind you pretty much all my purchases over the last 18 months have been games on demand titles which were released 2+ years ago and are now ~£10-18 each. A reasonable price to pay for something that in theory should be redownloaded/yours for life. Though it does irk me that I know some of those £18 titles can be had for <£5 at blockbuster.
I doubt I'll rush out and buy either console. There is a chance that when we move out and settle in somewhere we might look in to the two consoles then, and which ever one offers the most rounded media options we might get. We pretty much use the 360 in our room for iplayer, 4od, and me with some games, oh and playing DVD's. I imagine the 720 will have bluray support...
I haven't found a single modern console based game controller that was comfortable for me, so far they are all horrible.
Backwards compatibility has never been a big deal. None of the Sega's were, neither were Nintendo's up until the Wii.
Quote from: soopahfly on February 26, 2013, 09:09:21 AM
Backwards compatibility has never been a big deal. None of the Sega's were, neither were Nintendo's up until the Wii.
Those consoles didn't last 1 year before being superceded and there wasn't a PC games market. Times/things have changed massively.
Quote from: soopahfly on February 26, 2013, 09:09:21 AM
Backwards compatibility has never been a big deal. None of the Sega's were, neither were Nintendo's up until the Wii.
Quote from: soopahfly on February 26, 2013, 09:09:21 AM
Backwards compatibility has never been a big deal. None of the Sega's were, neither were Nintendo's up until the Wii.
agreed. I guess most people either keep their old console & games, or trade them all in for a new console.
Quote from: Clock'd 0Ne on February 26, 2013, 10:18:43 AM
Quote from: soopahfly on February 26, 2013, 09:09:21 AM
Backwards compatibility has never been a big deal. None of the Sega's were, neither were Nintendo's up until the Wii.
Those consoles didn't last 1 year before being superceded and there wasn't a PC games market. Times/things have changed massively.
Sega Master System - 1987
Sega Mega Drive - 1990 - Mega CD - 1991 - 32X - 1994
Sega Saturn - 1995
Sega Dreamcast - 1999
More than a year between those.
NES - 1986
SNES - 1992
N64 - 1997
Gamecube - 2002
Wii - 2006
Wii U - 2012
Same there.
Backwards compatibility still isn't a big deal. Just because you buy a new console, doesn't instantly render your old one useless.
PC Market hasn't changed. It's still based on the same architecture. Console architecture changes pretty much every generation.
I stand corrected then, I could have sworn they were all released much further apart. I guess thats down to my age related hazy memory :lol:
Backwards compatability isn't a deal breaker but the used games market certainly is big enough to require attention still, locking down games is cutting your nose off to spite your face. It's not going to stop piracy.
The only game I've paid full whack for on my PS3 is Gran Tourismo, the rest were all £5-15 2nd hand. I don't know anyone who would pay full whack for the games or not at least wait for the sales - unless it was a one-off must have release - especially when they are generally cheaper on PC if available. Maybe I'm out of touch with the yoof of today and parents with more money than sense though.
It'd be interesting and possibly cool if they did some kind of digital marketplace.
For instance, xbox games on demand. You buy a game, and then you can redownload it whenever etc. It'd be cool if you could trade back the game and the rights to play it, so say you buy a game for £20, you can give up your rights and get £10 back or something. Conceivably it wouldn't be too much of a stretch for the system to monitor game playing, and the amount you get credited could be based upon the amount of playtime the game had before.
So if you buy a game for £20, finish the campaign in 3 hours, and then trade it back, you get £15. But if you play the game through, then spend a few weeks getting all the collectables and finishing on the hardest difficulty, before playing multiplayer for a month or two, you could get £5 back.
It'd be an interesting concept, one which would be less crap than them just preventing any form of used game market from happening.
It's an interesting concept but I see a problem with it if you buy a game then realise its not for you or simply rubbish, so then find you're forced to play it through just to get your money back :lol:
well it could be time based, so it didn't matter what you did in the game. kind of like a rental.
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PS4 Announcement - Abridged Version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rJDn0jRnUQ
Quote from: knighty on February 28, 2013, 00:18:55 AM
PS4 Announcement - Abridged Version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rJDn0jRnUQ
Already posted on page 1 of this thread
if I didn't see it then it didn't happen! :p
(p.s. oops)