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ram: 8gig vs 16gig

Started by knighty, August 09, 2011, 00:05:48 AM

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knighty

8gig vs 16gig anyone made the upgrade ?  worth it ?


I know it'll hardly make any difference.... but ram looks pretty cheap right now....


I had 8gig running winxp64bit and everyone said I wouldn;t notice the difference... but I did... and it was pretty obvious :-)


I've googled... but all I can see is people asking about it and then little flameboys slagging them off :-(

neXus


knighty

yeah.... but have you tried it ?


everyone saud the same thing about 4 vs 8 a few years ago.... and they were wrong... it made a massive difference !

Clock'd 0Ne

I don't think you do enough to warrant it Alan. You might notice a slight improvement in games loading but I doubt it, what's the price difference you're talking about?

For example I have 8Gb in my main rig, I'm using 6Gb of that currently but have all my work open in Photoshop and Firefox using lots of tabs, also Chrome, IE, MSN, email, uTorrent, FTP, VLC. The other 2Gb resource monitor indicates is 'standby' allocated, presumably for if I decide to load up more applications. If I was going to play a game I might consider shutting some of it down, but probably not. My laptop only has 6Gb and I never notice andy issues on that at all.

If you lived in London you could probably go out tonight and help yourself to some from PC World...

bear

Putting the money towards an SSD would make more difference I think :)

zpyder

I never really made much notice of any benefit of going from 4 to 8gb, but I do notice it now when I have to use software I use on my 8gb comp, on a 4gb machine. Main things I notice it on are things like graphics programs when i CBA to load a few files at a time, so decide to load 10+ gb of photos into photoshop in one go...

knighty

Quote from: Clock'd 0Ne on August 09, 2011, 01:39:52 AMwhat's the price difference you're talking about?

non... I've already got 8gig... but thinking of getting 16 for when my new mb/cpu is sorted...

I keep thinking about an SSD.... but I don;t think they're much better than my raid setup... ok an ssd would blow the raid away in random reads etc... but in normal use how oftern do you actually read at over 200meg sec ? (guess on numbers tbh)

what i mean is, how oftern do you need to read from the hard drive faster than that, and can the rest of the pc keep up with it ?

Clock'd 0Ne

Random reads is exactly what you should be looking at Alan, most reads will be random for loading games and apps, lots of little files not loaded sequentially. I reckon an SSD would make more difference too, the new ones are bloody fast. HDDs are always the bottleneck in PCs

XEntity

Why not get a couple and raid them  :ptu:

knighty

i was thinking about 2 x 120gig SSDs in raid....

but then.... i think a single 240gig drive would be faster..... if I'm just using the onboard raid ?

new drives run at 500meg/sec read and write...

I think the m/b raid would top out before the single drive did vs the 2 drives ?

Clock'd 0Ne

#10
Nah no chance, especially if your new board is SATA 3, you'll get insane speeds from the SSDs. It should be a no brainer!

If you're serious about performance you could always buy this: http://thessdreview.com/our-reviews/ocz-revodrive-3-x2-480-gb-pcie-ssd-review-1-5gb-read1-25gb-write200000-iops-for-699/

A quote from that site:

QuoteIn other words, the 4-8 kb random write access is the single most crucial access that results in better visible ssd performance. If you are considering buying an ssd and you want the ssd with the best visible upgrade from your present system, you simply find the ssd with the best transfer results at the 4-8 kb random access level.

XEntity

Quote from: knighty on August 09, 2011, 13:01:24 PM
i was thinking about 2 x 120gig SSDs in raid....

but then.... i think a single 240gig drive would be faster..... if I'm just using the onboard raid ?

new drives run at 500meg/sec read and write...

I think the m/b raid would top out before the single drive did vs the 2 drives ?

Bloody hell! I think I need to upgrade... mine operates at somewhere around 100meg/sec, I knew they had got faster, but didn't realise that much faster

Clock'd 0Ne

I was just thinking, if you had an SSD and setup a Ramdisk you would have even better performance :

http://memory.dataram.com/products-and-services/software/ramdisk

knighty

ohhh, I might hold out for one of those "OCZ RevoDrive" ones.... i remmeber thinking about getting one back in the day when they were made with sdram on them !  (tho there wern't many aroudn back then)

my coment of 2 drives in raid vs 1 drive was....
if a single drive can deliver 500meg/sec....
will the onboard raid running 2 drives be any faster ?  (There's a but of spu overhead to take into account oo)

and ignoring copying files from one place to another... when will i ever be reading/writing from the drive at more than 500meg/sec ?


pagefile/ramdrive/etc....

I've been dissabling the page file for years... do you really need them with 8 (or more) gig of ram ?

XEntity

Quote from: Clock'd 0Ne on August 09, 2011, 13:16:44 PM

If you're serious about performance you could always buy this: http://thessdreview.com/our-reviews/ocz-revodrive-3-x2-480-gb-pcie-ssd-review-1-5gb-read1-25gb-write200000-iops-for-699/

Seems a bit slow? What about this one at 6000MB/s read, 4400MB/s write  :w00t:

http://www.fastestssd.com/featured/ssd-rankings-the-fastest-solid-state-drives/#pcie

On the serious side.. if you scroll up the page there are different categories..