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Title: recomend me a router...
Post by: knighty on February 14, 2010, 14:51:11 PM
i need a new router, mine is the one that came free from BE and it sucks...

works ok so Ive put up with it, but I need to be able to block all but 3 mac addresses and it wont let me....


any anyone recomend me something decent ?  I dont mind paying a bit extra for somehting good


Im on 24meg and just over the road from the exchange so i get good speeds and hammer is sometimes.... which makes my spare router crash in about 20 seconds :(
Title: Re:recomend me a router...
Post by: soopahfly on February 14, 2010, 14:54:32 PM
Why do you need to block mac addresses?
Title: Re:recomend me a router...
Post by: Mark on February 14, 2010, 15:06:01 PM
cisco 877-K9
Title: Re:recomend me a router...
Post by: knighty on February 14, 2010, 15:25:50 PM
Quote from: soopahflyWhy do you need to block mac addresses?

to force my brother to use his own connection !

he hammers mine untill the router crashes (think emule going with 500 downloads, and bit torrent going with another 500... all at the same time)

then when mine crashes he switches back to his....  untill i come and restart the router..... means I cant go away and leave things downloading for myself...

he wont cut back on his downloads (i dont care about him using it, just crashing it all the time)

and Im getting too old to bother arguing about it....  I had another phone line put in, and another asdl connection just so i can have an easy, peacefull life :-)


if i can lock it down to a few mac addresses , it should solve all the problems ?


theres a new cisco 877-K9 on ebay ending in a week, if i miss that Ill buy one from a shop

thanks :-)



EDIT/P.S:  is the K9 bit of cisco 877-K9 important ?
Title: Re:recomend me a router...
Post by: soopahfly on February 14, 2010, 16:35:51 PM
As much as I hate reccomending them, Belkin routers apply mac address filtering to LAN as well as to Wifi.

If you take the time to configure your client properly, you wont crash the router.  That said, I use a hateful Netgear DG834N now.
If youre not getting the full line speeds, it would be worth getting a Netgear as you can use 3rd party firmware and adjust your own SNR.
Im supposed to get 1.5mb - 2mb where I am, but I can tailor my line to get the best out of it.

Currently, Im on 4.2mb and 1.4db :D
Im 2.56km as the crow flies, which makes it roughly a 3.5km line.

I know its good, when Ive needed to ring O2 before, the first thing they say when they see the stats vs line length is "WOW"
Title: Re:recomend me a router...
Post by: knighty on February 14, 2010, 16:47:20 PM
Quote from: soopahflyIf you take the time to configure your client properly, you wont crash the router.

thats the problem.... I set it up right so it works... and he goes and changes the settings....

hes a bit like a little kid... out of all the options- keep changing his settings / unplug him from the network etc. etc.  the easiest way is just to get a new router... saves any arguments too ;)

I get fantastic speeds.... just it crashes when hes on :(
Title: Re:recomend me a router...
Post by: Beaker on February 14, 2010, 17:04:41 PM
You have to be careful what you use on BEs network, some routers just plain dont work.  The Netgear 834GT and 834N work fine, Ive used both, and they have working MAC filters.  

Edit :: They are also useful to reserve the MAC addys you want to use, and then reduce the IP pool down to those MACs.  Means _nobody_ is going to be able to connect.  
Title: Re:recomend me a router...
Post by: zpyder on February 14, 2010, 19:30:54 PM
Can you not just disabled the ssid from being broadcast?
Title: Re:recomend me a router...
Post by: XEntity on February 14, 2010, 19:41:44 PM
Quote from: zpyderCan you not just disabled the ssid from being broadcast?

And change the wireless security code and router password?
Title: recomend me a router...
Post by: knighty on February 14, 2010, 21:54:05 PM
its all wired :(

I wouldn;t mind him using it.... if he didnt crash it all the time :(
Title: Re:recomend me a router...
Post by: zpyder on February 14, 2010, 23:07:29 PM
So he plugs into your router and crashes it then plugs it back into his?

Its drastic but fill in the spare ethernet sockets with putty and glue yours in :D

That or can you do something along the lines of configuring the router so that it all works for him but the internet is upside down? I remember reading somewhere about someone that did it so his internet stealing neighbours found all the images on all the websites were back to front and upside down :D
Title: recomend me a router...
Post by: knighty on February 14, 2010, 23:14:45 PM
theyre all networked together, 2 connections and all pcs on the same network

thing is.... Im trying to avoide all the unplugging him etc..  itll just go back and forth and end up as little kid stuff...

if he cant connect easily, he will just stick with his own, hes on 12meg iirc so its not like Im cutting him off from the net etc...


cisco router might not even crash with him on it .... :o
Title: Re:recomend me a router...
Post by: Mark on February 15, 2010, 00:31:18 AM
Get a proper router and youll never look back. The 877 supports VPN and has advanced security. It has the same adsl2+ chipset as the HWIC-1ADSL line card for the big routers.

Home devices wont even half 1/50 of the feature set.

The only thing letting it down in the layer 2 switchports. But you can get around that kind of by putting each into a separate VLAN.

Ive most of the images for them here too. I can also do you up a working config, but there is also a web GUI if you are so inclined.

Set up a QoS policy so other users are only guaranteed about 5k/second.

Title: recomend me a router...
Post by: knighty on February 15, 2010, 01:50:07 AM
cool.... soon as it arives Ill post back..... most of that went over my head

i must be getting old... a couple of years ago Id google my ass off untill i understood every little feature :o
Title: Re:recomend me a router...
Post by: zpyder on February 15, 2010, 07:39:19 AM
Bah, opportunity to mess with your bro missed tbh.

Could have spoofed an email from the police saying they had detected large amounts of illegal downloading coming from the household and that according to the information provided by his brother(you) it came from his PC...
Title: recomend me a router...
Post by: Leon on February 15, 2010, 10:15:40 AM
Bit late but I just got one of these Belkin (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=NW-105-BE) routers to replace the 4 year old SpeedTouch at my parents house. Set it up this weekend I barely touched all the crazy options it has.
Title: Re:recomend me a router...
Post by: Mongoose on February 15, 2010, 14:37:15 PM
surely theres a way to set up some sort of proxy system so that anything he downloads over your connection re-directs to Rick Astley?

Surely theres someone around here with the sort of twisted but brilliant mind that they could do that?

and if not, then damnit why not?
Title: Re:recomend me a router...
Post by: Ceathreamhnan on February 15, 2010, 15:21:25 PM
Quote from: soopahflyThat said, I use a hateful Netgear DG834N now.
If youre not getting the full line speeds, it would be worth getting a Netgear as you can use 3rd party firmware and adjust your own SNR.
Im supposed to get 1.5mb - 2mb where I am, but I can tailor my line to get the best out of it.
Is this readily available on the net? Ime very interested in this as Im in more or less the same situation.
Title: Re:recomend me a router...
Post by: DeltaZero on February 16, 2010, 00:04:48 AM
Quote from: soopahflyBelkin routers

No.



Quote from: BeakerThe Netgear 834GT

No.



Quote from: DoomsBelkin

No.



Quote from: Markcisco 877-K9

Yes.





Quote from: MarkGet a proper router and youll never look back.

 :thumbup:
Title: Re:recomend me a router...
Post by: Beaker on February 16, 2010, 00:53:48 AM
Quote from: DeltaZero*snip*

Actually most people cant justify over £250 for a router.  While I personally would like something Cisco related, I wouldnt buy one for home use even if I did have the spare cash, because you know, I would sooner have a week away somewhere warm with my £250!
Title: Re:recomend me a router...
Post by: zpyder on February 16, 2010, 07:52:44 AM
Quote from: Beaker
Quote from: DeltaZero*snip*

Actually most people cant justify over £250 for a router.  While I personally would like something Cisco related, I wouldnt buy one for home use even if I did have the spare cash, because you know, I would sooner have a week away somewhere warm with my £250!

^ What he said. I cant justify much over £100, and Id imagine most home users are similar. Mind you knighty is hardly a normal home user :D
Title: recomend me a router...
Post by: Leon on February 16, 2010, 09:18:25 AM
Exactly I got the Belkin becuase its £40, Wifi-N, 300Mbs and it replaced a £30 SpeedTouch that worked fine for 4 years.

Does what it says on the tin and Im happy with that :)
Title: Re:recomend me a router...
Post by: DeltaZero on February 16, 2010, 13:33:49 PM
Quote from: BeakerActually most people cant justify over £250 for a router.  While I personally would like something Cisco related, I wouldnt buy one for home use even if I did have the spare cash, because you know, I would sooner have a week away somewhere warm with my £250!

While this is fair enough...none of your suggestions will solve Kinghtys problem (which this thread is about) whereas Marks will.
Title: Re:recomend me a router...
Post by: DeltaZero on February 16, 2010, 13:34:55 PM
Quote from: DeltaZero
Quote from: BeakerActually most people cant justify over £250 for a router.  While I personally would like something Cisco related, I wouldnt buy one for home use even if I did have the spare cash, because you know, I would sooner have a week away somewhere warm with my £250!

While this is fair enough...none of your suggestions will solve Kinghtys problem (which this thread is about) whereas Marks will.

I should clarify (before someone gets anal) that by this i mean none of your router suggestions will solve Knightys problem. The superglue thing would work a treat.
Title: Re:recomend me a router...
Post by: Beaker on February 16, 2010, 14:32:19 PM
Quote from: DeltaZero
Quote from: DeltaZero
Quote from: BeakerActually most people cant justify over £250 for a router.  While I personally would like something Cisco related, I wouldnt buy one for home use even if I did have the spare cash, because you know, I would sooner have a week away somewhere warm with my £250!

While this is fair enough...none of your suggestions will solve Kinghtys problem (which this thread is about) whereas Marks will.

I should clarify (before someone gets anal) that by this i mean none of your router suggestions will solve Knightys problem. The superglue thing would work a treat.

Shrinking the IP pool down to what is needed, and then using the IP Address reservation table will work fine.  I used to live a shared house, and that was the setup I used when one of the cockends decided that torrenting on a connection he wasnt paying for, and didnt have any right to use was fine.  Plug it in, no IP address.  Manually set the IP address, no joy etc etc.  Took a little setting up, but worked fine for the grand total of £60 for a DG834GT.  
Title: Re:recomend me a router...
Post by: soopahfly on February 16, 2010, 17:02:18 PM
Disable DHCP and change the IP range?
Title: Re:recomend me a router...
Post by: zpyder on February 16, 2010, 17:56:30 PM
Certainly I reckon doing something like the glue thing combined with any of the routing options is worth a shot, if you ruin the router with the glue etc you were going to fork out £250 anyway...
Title: Re:recomend me a router...
Post by: Pete on February 16, 2010, 20:10:26 PM
Whats a good WAP to go with that router? Or is it best to get one with intergrated wireless?
Title: Re:recomend me a router...
Post by: DeltaZero on February 16, 2010, 20:40:17 PM
Quote from: Beaker
Quote from: DeltaZero
Quote from: DeltaZero
Quote from: BeakerActually most people cant justify over £250 for a router.  While I personally would like something Cisco related, I wouldnt buy one for home use even if I did have the spare cash, because you know, I would sooner have a week away somewhere warm with my £250!

While this is fair enough...none of your suggestions will solve Kinghtys problem (which this thread is about) whereas Marks will.

I should clarify (before someone gets anal) that by this i mean none of your router suggestions will solve Knightys problem. The superglue thing would work a treat.

Shrinking the IP pool down to what is needed, and then using the IP Address reservation table will work fine.  I used to live a shared house, and that was the setup I used when one of the cockends decided that torrenting on a connection he wasnt paying for, and didnt have any right to use was fine.  Plug it in, no IP address.  Manually set the IP address, no joy etc etc.  Took a little setting up, but worked fine for the grand total of £60 for a DG834GT.  


Defeating that security setup would be trivial.
Title: Re:recomend me a router...
Post by: XEntity on February 16, 2010, 21:20:21 PM
Lock the router in a box, he cant get at it then ;)
Title: Re:recomend me a router...
Post by: knighty on February 16, 2010, 21:29:03 PM
Quote from: BeakerShrinking the IP pool down to what is needed, and then using the IP Address reservation table will work fine.  

Quote from: soopahflyDisable DHCP and change the IP range?



if I even touch the IP tables.... the router goes tits up..... and I have to start again.... last time I did that it took me 2 hours go get it going again.... 2 hours of constant work...  its a total pos !   i just ignored it, because the way it is... worked.... (kindof)


Im defenatly no network guru... but Ive been networking computers since my P133 was top of the range and a game of red alert (over the network) could last for 7 hours because of cpu lag :(
Title: Re:recomend me a router...
Post by: Mongoose on February 17, 2010, 12:19:01 PM
Quote from: DeltaZeroDefeating that security setup would be trivial.

for you, or anyone else who knows networking, certainly. But hes not trying to keep you off his connection.

I can hop over the fence at the bottom of my parents garden in a second or so, but the sheep the fence is designed to keep in cant and thats what matters in practice.