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Quote from: Chris HThought it was utter rubbish to be honest, by far the worst film Ive seen recently.

Ah yes. I have a different opinion to you so Im stupid. Gods love the interweb!

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Quote from: Chris HThought it was utter rubbish to be honest, by far the worst film Ive seen recently.

It is not a mega bad film but it was flat and bland really. You can tell they went through the book an said "we must put this bit in" and basically felt like chunks of a story put in some sort of order and put into a movie with no real flow through them which stands out when a character appears says a bit and then buggers off to only appear in another scene and supposedly making sense to be there. It all does not really work

What I was going on about.

Quote from: SamI thought it was excellent.

Graphically it was, as a film it lacked continuity. It should have been at least 30 mins longer, or have been a TV series.

The fact they chopped and changed parts to shorten it didnt help it.

The book is very indepth and trying to lighten it to make a 2 hour film just doesnt work.

They made a very beautiful film, but overall I was unimpressed.

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Quote from: Chris HThought it was utter rubbish to be honest, by far the worst film Ive seen recently.

Ah yes. I have a different opinion to you so Im stupid. Gods love the interweb!

wot?

Chris, that smilie is used to indicate someone is agreeing with you totally, it doesnt indicate that they are saying you are stupid

Quote from: SweensterThe fact they chopped and changed parts to shorten it didnt help it.

The book is very indepth and trying to lighten it to make a 2 hour film just doesnt work.

They made a very beautiful film, but overall I was unimpressed.

Spoilers below I suppose:

I didnt like the way they changed certain things for the children, the boy they find hugging a fish becuase he has lost his daemon and then dies (in the book) is all ok in the film, that part is important as it shows just how bad what they are doing is. The end where she betrays her best friend to get killed isnt in there, if they dont add that at the start of the next one they are really f**king with the story.

There are other things which I cant think of at the moment which annoyed me.

Why do people get annoyed if a film isnt a mirror copy of a book? They are completely different mediums, judge each on its own merits.

Its not that it wasnt a copy of the book its the fact it missed key things from the book which direct the rest of the story.

Quote from: SamWhy do people get annoyed if a film isnt a mirror copy of a book? They are completely different mediums, judge each on its own merits.

Has nothing to do with it, it has to be a good representation of something and if it is following the book be right about it or it will be a bad film and if it is based on a book it has to be a good movie. This is not tbh.

All they have done is gone through the books and formed a check list of things they must do "bear must fight king, bear hurts paw, bear kills king) and basically gone through the check list to tick them off in the scenes and have a very stale in between because its just padding for these key bits of the book and not the story and not a film either.

Like the movies or no the harry potter movies are faithfully following the books and the story, the full versions of the Lord of the rings, again faithfully follow the books and have the full picture as it were. The Bourne movies are only based on the books and the concept of the story and character but faithfully replicate what the books offer and produce a good story and thus movie.

The Golden Compass is a nice looking movie, good cast and good aspects so not a totally crap movie but its far from a good one and rightly got slated.

Quote from: DoomsIts not that it wasnt a copy of the book its the fact it missed key things from the book which direct the rest of the story.

Its a /different/ story based another story with the same name. If you go along like that you wont get upset.

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Quote from: DoomsIts not that it wasnt a copy of the book its the fact it missed key things from the book which direct the rest of the story.

Its a /different/ story based another story with the same name. If you go along like that you wont get upset.

But its not, lol.

Edit to be more clear the book you know of as Northern Lights here was called the Golden Compass in the US hence the movie title, and this film is based on the novel and one of a trilogy and will have 2 more movies made respectively. It was announced as a film series following the story of the books just as other fantasy adaptations. The big thing that really kills it is the fact the you have the races and beleafs which is shown in the movie but they stripped all the religious elements completely from it the be politically correct but in doing so created the foundation of the stale nature of the film and as I said all you are left with is a check list written film.

Oh and while the original scripts had that element missing they had a lot of what is missing in the film compared to the book but money and the big wigs in the chairs basically killed the movie

indeed stripping it of the religious element is prob wont dumbed it all down. Im curious how they are going to betray the angels etc.

Quote from: Doomsindeed stripping it of the religious element is prob wont dumbed it all down. Im curious how they are going to betray the angels etc.

Well going on how the witches become nothing more then a stale visual half presence rather then representing them as the mystical element they are in the book, not good unless they learn from their mistakes.
Problem is there seem to be a lot of talk of a number of actors not returning for the other movies now as an actor 2/3 slashed movies to your name or a whole series especially if your name is like Kidman etc will not go down well with them.

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Quote from: DoomsIts not that it wasnt a copy of the book its the fact it missed key things from the book which direct the rest of the story.

Its a /different/ story based another story with the same name. If you go along like that you wont get upset.

But its not, lol.

Edit to be more clear the book you know of as Northern Lights here was called the Golden Compass in the US hence the movie title, and this film is based on the novel and one of a trilogy and will have 2 more movies made respectively. It was announced as a film series following the story of the books just as other fantasy adaptations. The big thing that really kills it is the fact the you have the races and beleafs which is shown in the movie but they stripped all the religious elements completely from it the be politically correct but in doing so created the foundation of the stale nature of the film and as I said all you are left with is a check list written film.

Oh and while the original scripts had that element missing they had a lot of what is missing in the film compared to the book but money and the big wigs in the chairs basically killed the movie

You misunderstand my point. If someone wants to base a film on a book they are totally free to do it exactly the same or intrepret it their own way. Its another story told on a different medium. They make decisions which they think will make the story better when on film instead of in print. They might not necessarily get that right of course. But seriously dont get upset cos they changed the story a bit. I enjoyed GC for what it is.

Quote from: SeriousChris, that smilie is used to indicate someone is agreeing with you totally, it doesnt indicate that they are saying you are stupid

I dont understand how a sign saying "Im with stupid" and an arrow pointing at the above poster actually means "I agree with you".

Now that confuses me greatly.