Ubuntu is wank.
Thank you.

Obviously people who want a toy linux they can run via GUIs love it. The rest of us who need a proper linux for hosting web sites, etc, realise what a load of sh*te it is.

fiesty f**king fawn
if they spent as long writing the software instead of thinking of stupid names itll be awesome

Whats coming next, busty bertha

lol Sam you really dont like it to do

No because theyve tried to be clever and just change things for the sake of it. Linux has been around for 200 years before Dapper Doris and the Heartbreakers decided to change everything.

The only people who like it are those who know nothing about Linux and just set everything to be a clone of windows.

Linux does not do GUIs well at all. Thats not a particular problem of Ubuntu though.

Quote from: SamThe only people who like it are those who know nothing about Linux and just set everything to be a clone of windows.

Your probably right in what your saying but I fail to see the point your trying to make. Your essentially saying its linux for noobs - thats hardly news is it? I know nothing of linux and have no interest in learning a non gui system - but I still like an alternative to windows and not having to pay for my OS which makes Ubuntu perfect for me (as a second machine anyway). Its a great introduction to linux for people who might go further with it later, and ok it might not be anywhere near as good for what you do with linux but then its not really designed for that type of user is it?

Ive heard a lot of long term linux users saying similar things lately - I think theres a bit of resentment at non experts using linux. Come on guys its not a secret club!!  

Quote from: RivkidIve heard a lot of long term linux users saying similar things lately - I think theres a bit of resentment at non experts using linux. Come on guys its not a secret club!!  

My "problem" with Ubuntu is that there are a large number of people that think its perfect for everything.  It isnt, hell its hardware support isnt all that good.  Plus I dont like GNOME at all.  My personal preferences are OpenSUSE for the desktop, RedHat/Fedora for a server, and Centos for hosting (I dont know why I dont like SUSE Server editions, I just dont like them).  The real resentment I think is that people wave Ubuntu as the the answer to every question.  I suppose its a decent enough Intro, but thats all it is.  Power users will typically have to switch to something with a KDE desktop, or head straight down to the command line eventually.

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Quote from: SamThe only people who like it are those who know nothing about Linux and just set everything to be a clone of windows.

Your probably right in what your saying but I fail to see the point your trying to make. Your essentially saying its linux for noobs - thats hardly news is it? I know nothing of linux and have no interest in learning a non gui system - but I still like an alternative to windows and not having to pay for my OS which makes Ubuntu perfect for me (as a second machine anyway). Its a great introduction to linux for people who might go further with it later, and ok it might not be anywhere near as good for what you do with linux but then its not really designed for that type of user is it?

Ive heard a lot of long term linux users saying similar things lately - I think theres a bit of resentment at non experts using linux. Come on guys its not a secret club!!  

No I am pleased linux is gaining more support.

The problem I have is that, like me and nige were saying earlier, Ubuntus developers are in the same club as firebug. Just f**k around changing things for no reason making it wholely incompatible with everything else or being obsessed with style over substance.

I have a friend that have changed all his puters to nix including his kids and the thing which is a problem is games
his kids want to play but everything else he think is better and gets more out of a machines capacity than M$ OS:s does he has been tinkering and building puter for many gears had a computerstore serviced LANs for companies etc. etc. but he is manic does not give up he tweaks and manage somehow to get the games to work

Sam - totally agree that its style over substance which for pros and developers sucks - but style is what will attract Joe Average to Linux and away from windows. My g/f was well up for trying Ubuntu once she saw Wobbly Windows lol!!

Hopefully theyll eventually desire more substance and explore deeper into Linux versions, having used Ubuntu as a stepping stone.

My preference would be

Desktop - FreeBSD
Server - OpenBSD - never mind your flaky unreliable unix-lite (abbreviates to linux)

Ive gone back to Slackware

Sam, fair point mate, but at least its getting an introduction to Linux for people, I just hope people dont become over dependent in Ubuntus GUI interface!

I use Ubuntu on my P3 laptop becuase its not happy running XP... I went with Ubuntu becuase I really dont have the time to spend learning (some relearning) all the crap that comes with Unix when all I want to do is browse the net, watch some .avis and listen to some music

Im not really on about the user level stuff. Theyve changed the way it works under the hood so

1. People like you who dont care, dont care if it stays the same as redhat (the defacto standard)
2. People like me get f**ked off for change for changes sake.

So - use a server OS with a proper methodical release system, not hacked together buggy nonsense - Net or OpenBSD would be the best bet