Blacksmithing is STUPIDLY expesnive to get to 375... I been stuck on 369 for awhile

Armorsmithing is very crappy atm, only 1 lvl 70 item from it that isnt actually that good considering the mats needed to upgrade it twice. They are promising some more stuff in WoLK

The Master Axe/sword/mace smith weapons are nice but dont think you will be seeing the top end weapons from it for quite awhile.

Oh a side note just finsihed raid and 2 shotted Leo on 1st time at him... That brings us upto 3/4 TK and 5/6 SSC

Quick!! Get BT attuned before 2.4 so you can have the I was attuned to BT before they removed the attunment title.

lol think we will be trying Vashj on Sunday. So far for all of TK / SSC its only taken us a max of 3 tries to down each boss... think this one we may struggle with tho

Our current raid nights are looking quite good now we have the strats and pulls down

Wednesday: Hydross, Lurker, Tidewalker and Karathrass if time.
Tursday: Alar, Solarian, VR and then Mag if time
Sunday: Leo and then Vashj tries methinks (Kara if didnt manage him on Wednesday)

One thing I still find amazing about my mains guild, they do Hijal (start to finish) in just under 2.5hrs. Then go and do upto Gorefiend in BT.

Any wonder Im taking a break?

lol screw that, we cant even do a kara run in that long

Too many AFKrs or just people not paying attension

Are you guys level 70s?? My guild doesnt seem to do a thing, but dont know if its because there are a lot of lower people. When Im at 70, Id like to do a lot more I think, other than random dungeons with random people.......who, half way through just leave  

Yep mate, Im doing reasonably high level content and it would seem, going from what WG was saying, hes end game.

The game doesnt really start until 70, you need to get to 70, get the best 5man stuff you can and then if you want to continue find yourself a nice Karazhan guild and start there (10man raid), after that is 25man content

Do you not find it hard getting 10 or 25 people together for things?? I find it hard enough getting 5 people to start and instance, and even harder getting them 5 to stay the whole instance through!!

To get a PUG (pick up group) for raids is not recommended at all (fine for 5mans)... one it can be a pain to find the group and people really need to know what they are doing / work together.

Getting 10 / 25 people together for a raid when in a raiding guild is alot easier as you organise nights, do signups, etc etc and when it comes to raid everyone is prepared, everyone is on Vent to know whats going on, you have a single person leading and things tend to go alot smoother than the PuGs you will be used to

Example << some random guild as our PHPRaider is locked down so have to signup to see

edit: wow their signups are complex! They have slots for each class & spec aswell as guest places?! We have signup slots for DPS, Main Tanks, Off Tanks, Healers... much easier

Quote from: chrisdickoDo you not find it hard getting 10 or 25 people together for things?? I find it hard enough getting 5 people to start and instance, and even harder getting them 5 to stay the whole instance through!!

Congratulations, youve reached the next level of questions.  

Raiding is what this game is about, PVP/Leveling/Professions/etc are the bit before the real game. How do you manage to get 25 people together? Before Burning Crusade was released, it was 40 man raids, and my guild used to have 20 people waiting outside, incase anyone in the raid dropped out.

Basically you need to join a raiding guild. Id start by getting as many decent blue drops from 5 man instances as possible - dungeon set 3 is a great start (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28205 is the breastplate for tanking warriors, it is part of a set i.e. the more pieces you have, the more bonuses you will recieve, e.g. on this set if you have 2 pieces of the set all of your shout abilities cost 2 less rage, 4 pieces means your Charge ability generates an additional 5 rage - whilst not brilliant, they are a start).

Once you have a good amount of blue gear for your class/spec you should apply to a starter raiding guild, in your case that will be a Kharazan guild. That is the first 10 man instance in TBC (http://www.wowhead.com/?zone=2562). It is very simple in comparison to the 25 man instances, but is great way to be introduced to raiding.

From what youve said chris, youre guild is crap. Use it and abuse it. Get groups where you can and dump them when you have the gear. Yep, thats a horrible thing to do but you wont get anywhere with that guild youre in by the sounds of it.

Once again WoWWiki comes through : http://www.wowwiki.com/Raiding_for_Newbies

Niceone, thanks again lads! Always good info!!

Think Ill look for a new guild when Im nearer level 70. Im finding it hard to get decent gear at the moment tbh. I was duelling a random guy one day, and lost everytime. But he was quite helpful and told me some tips etc. He said though (not in a nasty way), that my gear was crap.......for example, my health is around 3400, but he said his warrior was nearer 5000 for the same level 53. So he said to do instances, which obviously made sense, for the drops. He said to go to Sunken Temple.....which I did, but the drops werent that good really. I looked at wowhead and looked to see what Plate drops there were, but again I think my stuff was better anyway! I know armor etc isnt as important at my level, but it would be nice to have some good stuff.
Also, when I get to Level 70, and am in Outlands........is it quite easy to get good new weapons/armor? As I see some warriors with fcuking mint stuff, and just wondered how hard it was to actually get? Like Epic helemts with 1100 Armor, and mint Stam/Strength etc on them?

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Shattered+Halls&n=Meatmachine
(says im level 52, but im 53 now)

As soon as your in outland the items improve a stupid amount even off the 1st few quests. You can start them at 58 if you wish but I always way till 60 before heading there.

Health wise I cant remember what sort of level I was at with that level, but as you are DPS you can just focus on STR/Attack Power/Crit. If they come with Stam for some extra health great!

Epic stuff you will get from high level crafted or when you start Karazhan (unless you do the PVP grind at 70 but thats not that great for doing raiding). There are some nice blues which you should work towards when you hit 70. If you are staying DPS check out http://www.maxdps.com - click warrior (Arms or Fury depending what you are) and change the options on the left to only include 5mans, Rep and Quests. and then look at the highest DPS gear you can get.

Might help you.

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Outland&n=Korath

Thats my tanking gear (I think, cant see it from work) and thats after progressing Karazhan (10man) > Gruul (25man) > Mag (25man) > TK (25man) > SSC (25man) and there are still alot of drops I need from as early as Kara.

Cool, nice one, cheers Dooms!! Your gear looks pretty sexy. Just wana hurry up and get to Outland now. Im still undecided weather to stay DPS or go Tanking......as that will be what im aiming for then really wont it!

Update from my wowness... We had our 1st 3 attempts on Vashj last night and man that fight is insane!

1st time we didnt get too far and was more of a test to see what is actually going on, 2nd time was 65% and 3rd was 75%ish but we stayed up longer.

As tank my job isnt that bad but for the DPS its a bit chaotic... going to make more than our usually 2 nights to get this one down methinks

Nice Dooms! Im not too sure how Ill be at 70, as I work 4 different shifts a month, so wouldnt really be able to organise much round my shifts. As at the moment Im ok levelling my character and doing the odd instance, as no-one is relying on me.

Im half a level away from 60, and will hopefully hit that tonight, as I have quite a few Qs to hand in! If I get my new mount, do you need the training with it as well? Or can you buy the new mount, then train when youve got enough Gs? As ive only got about 180G.

Also, I still havent ventured to Outland yet, as I thought it would be easier at Level 60....so waited. But, would it be better to say get to level 62, then go to outland?? Or go at 60!??!

Cheers