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Chat => Entertainment & Technology => Topic started by: knighty on May 10, 2009, 03:58:06 AM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7909014.stm
pah..... Id have built something better than that if I was going on the BBC
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Who is David Penfold?
We were modding PCs 10 years ago, and first attempts at watercooling was not long after!
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Would have been a little bit more impressed if it was phase-change cooled and its not even a impressive OC on air! never mind water! lol
Killing 2 GTX 280s what a noob! :disappointed:
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ha,
look at her face... bored!
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Who is David Penfold?
We were modding PCs 10 years ago, and first attempts at watercooling was not long after!
PAH, i had my K62-450 (was that what they were called?) submerged in oil at -30C 10 years ago !!!
(it was a total bodge and ugly as hell.... but it worked.... kind of....)
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Pah, showy glitter.
I dont think theres a person on this board who didnt do proportionately better than that "back in the day" before we all grew up and found other things to spend our money/time on! And when we were at it you had to get your hands a bit dirty, kids today dont know theyre born. I bet they wouldnt know a dip switch from a jumper.
/me collects flat cap and walking stick and storms off
damn computers make you feel old early!!!!
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ha,
look at her face... bored!
:rofl:
Exactly what I was thinking as I watched it :D
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Yeah, the article was more entertaining to watch the journalist.
However, it isnt an easy topic to broach to the masses, the only people who might think such a thing is cool would already know about it.
So the challenge is, if you were to produce a 3 min video on watercooling/overclocking, what would you say and do to make the video interesting to joe blogg, whilst being of merit to people who actually know what it is?
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Yeah, the article was more entertaining to watch the journalist.
However, it isnt an easy topic to broach to the masses, the only people who might think such a thing is cool would already know about it.
So the challenge is, if you were to produce a 3 min video on watercooling/overclocking, what would you say and do to make the video interesting to joe blogg, whilst being of merit to people who actually know what it is?
To make it sound interesting, hmm
Purchase 2 litre bottle of water
Open a pc and place it on its side, make sure the pc is switched on and running Quake or Unreal Tournament
Poor bottle of water on PC components
"Look this PC is cooled by water" :rofl:
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Heh, I remember water cooling when you had to make all the gear up yourself, and Im not the only one here!
Then I got more interested in girls and beer.
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Heh, I remember water cooling when you had to make all the gear up yourself, and Im not the only one here!
Then I got more interested in girls and beer.
I remember that, but i also remember when it was cool to add Perspex to a standard beige case, or cutting an 80mm hole for a fan was considered extreme!
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So what is cutting an 80mm hole in a perspex window?
Mega epic extreme? :D
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So what is cutting an 80mm hole in a perspex window?
Mega epic extreme? :D
The stuff of gods....
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So what is cutting an 80mm hole in a perspex window?
Mega epic extreme? :D
whoa there boyo, its only a small step from that to frying your breakfast on an Athlon Thunderbird......
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Let not forget the stickers that came with the cpu and gfc cards now too! Theyre like gofaster stripes :D
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Athlon Thunderbird......
hmm, I just got my hands on a working 1.2Ghz Thunderbird
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pah, I made a waterblock 10yrs ago from copper pipe and plastic, no waterpump cos I couldnt afford it but the block filled with water ran my amd for a few minutes just fine - I even got an article published on some wcing website :)
Who remembers delta screamers then? Two of them glued on a sA heatsink and a set of earbuds?
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This is what old skool Watercooling looked like!
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k26/bobbins53/Picture079.jpg)
(note I ruined the carpet a few weeks earlier when I knocked over a 5L tub of blue antifreeze lol)
It was a time when beige was cool! :puke:
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k26/bobbins53/Picture104.jpg)
(the printer is still going strong!)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k26/bobbins53/Picture032.jpg)
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Who remembers delta screamers then? Two of them glued on a sA heatsink and a set of earbuds?
2 of them? now that IS hardcore
I remember my first OCed system had a Globalwin FOP-38 with the original Delta Black Label 7K RPM fan on it. I didnt think it was too bad, but it resonated in the space between the floorboards and was actually louder downstairs than in my room so I had to replace it. IIRC I then fashioned an adaptor out of a couple of fan grills and put an 80mm fan on it instead (I was too tight/poor to pay for a plastic adaptor).
I was eventually driven to watercooling when I built a twin Athlon MP rig which sounded like a helicopter taking off on air. I had it easy really, by the time I got into it you could buy waterblocks which someone else had made. Hell I didnt even have to use a car heater matrix for a rad!
Shaun that is a true example of what watercooling should be. Slightly insane, looking likely to disgorge water everywhere at any moment, yet very effective.
Didnt someone, I think it was BladeRunner, have his res in the basement because it was cooler down there?
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I never dabbled in watercooling, could never be assed with it.
However a long long time ago i grabbed a £75 (at the time) Beige Full Tower Case and sliced the sh*t out of it with various tools, and had Windows in both sides and the top, with a new respray and chrome grills (yeh the round ones that first came out) it looked proper tasty! :P Shame i dont have the original pictures :P
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I was pretty happy with that set up, it cooled one of those uber XP1700 up to 2300Mhz in my server, also cooled a 9800 in my gaming rig on top of the desk with a single 120mm fan on 5v, the pump on top of the res was for that loop.
BladeRunner dug a bloody big hole in his garden with a JCB for his massive res! :rofl: ... he was a engineer for a motorsport team, so you could understand him going a bit over the top lol
Its knighty with his res in the basement IIRC.
My first self built system for OC’ing had a delta screamer as well! Duron 800 at 1000Mhz, I also did my first voltmod on that mobo and that got me to 1108MHz :panic:
Haha can’t believe that forum is still going: http://discussions.hardwarecentral.com/showthread.php?t=121551
I was such a noob back then :P
Wish this place could keep it’s posts for more than 5 minutes.
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I wish i had photos of the stuff I used to do....
my first watercooled system was a home mate waterblock, by bin filled with water and a pump.... I used to have to freeze buckets of water and dump them in as giant ice cubes if i wanted to use my pc all day....
(that was before I even had a Internet connection!!!)
the submerged in oil at -30C
(was pretty crap tbh, oil was too thick at that temp so 00% of the oil was at -30C and the other 1% around the CPU was at 70C lol)
then on to the big rad in the celler.... which is still in there.... too big to get it out really.... was a BITCH to get in there :-o
I even bought a gfx card from bladerunner, GF3 iirc.... with his custom watercooling on it !!!
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I even bought a gfx card from bladerunner, GF3 iirc.... with his custom watercooling on it !!!
You bought a gfx card from me at some point ...think it was a GF2?
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I bought some Slot A Athlons off someone on here years ago, i thought it was Clocked but he thinks its not :P
Anyway, still have one going strong in a rig at my bros place, quite shocking really, ive told him 20 times to upgrade but he is so stubborn.
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I even bought a gfx card from bladerunner, GF3 iirc.... with his custom watercooling on it !!!
You bought a gfx card from me at some point ...think it was a GF2?
I probably did.... Ive spent way way way too much on computers over the years.... and still do tbh
I bought a CD writer drive (2 speed) when they first came out.... it cost £450.... and 10 blank cds for £10 each.... I broke 8 of them on the first night.....
I thought I was going to make a fortune copying games !!!
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I bought a Voodoo 3 3000 16MB from Jungle, they didnt stick around for long here, the shop closed a couple of months later.
I remember my mate building his computer back in the 90s so he could play Doom, he was so excited! And in late 90s when Carmageddon came out and we played it over lan, pure pwnage!
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My first self built system for OC’ing had a delta screamer as well! Duron 800 at 1000Mhz, I also did my first voltmod on that mobo and that got me to 1108MHz :panic:
LOL Snap!! exactly the same system although IIRC I only got mine to something like 1016MHz, never quite had the courage to try the voltmod thing.
I also migrated here from HardwareCentral about that time, having bought my Duron from Sam in his Overclockingstore days.
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Who remembers delta screamers then? Two of them glued on a sA heatsink and a set of earbuds?
I bought a 80mm one of those of some one on here, to mount on the HS cooling a Athlon 1.4 on a (100Mhz FSB version) nearly lost a finger when I reached in to the case for some thing a a finger went into the fan
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Case in the first picture i think its a Globalwin 802, i remember them being Crazy popular! for a beige case, and ofc OCS were selling them :P
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Case in the first picture i think its a Globalwin 802, i remember them being Crazy popular! for a beige case, and ofc OCS were selling them :P
The 802 was fantastic. I still have parts of mine although it doesnt look like one anymore. There just wasnt anything to come close unless you doubled the price
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Case in the first picture i think its a Globalwin 802, i remember them being Crazy popular! for a beige case, and ofc OCS were selling them :P
The 802 was fantastic. I still have parts of mine although it doesnt look like one anymore. There just wasnt anything to come close unless you doubled the price
I dunno, not long after came the Chieftec Dragon and that case was finely built and in an array of colours with removable drive bays, still easily one of my favourite cases, and the best part was they were cheap as well :)
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Aye it was a Globalwin 802 :) I still have the thumb screws in a box somewhere it was a great case back in the day, the slide out mobo tray was so ftw on such a cheap case!
OC’ing was so cool back then, it costs far too much these days, back then I wasn’t that far behind the big boys with unlimited budgets, granted I spent a lot more on hardware than most on here, but I didn’t spend excessively.
I first came across Sam pimping his warez on HWC as well: http://discussions.hardwarecentral.com/showthread.php?t=120586 (posts from Sam on page 2)
I was nearly page 1 of the Orb at one stage with my Prommie cooled Barton XP2500 @ 2700Mhz and WC’ed 9800 Pro, a couple more days of refining my set up I would have been there. JR who used to post on here helped me get the best set up, but Intel brought out the Northwoods a bit too soon for me and I was on page 5 in no time :gag: lol, but I did have the 4th highest AMD score in the world for quite awhile.
And who can forget all the all AMD/Intel row’s we had back then! I was branded a AMD fanboi then! ...funny how things come full circle and I now a Intel fanboi according to some :rofl:
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Case in the first picture i think its a Globalwin 802, i remember them being Crazy popular! for a beige case, and ofc OCS were selling them :P
The 802 was fantastic. I still have parts of mine although it doesnt look like one anymore. There just wasnt anything to come close unless you doubled the price
I dunno, not long after came the Chieftec Dragon and that case was finely built and in an array of colours with removable drive bays, still easily one of my favourite cases, and the best part was they were cheap as well :)
I honestly cant remember why I didnt like the Dragon, perhaps it was just that Id already bought my 802 by the time it came out. The 802 had removable drive bays and MB tray as well
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Still using my 802 for my main rig.
Still using the radbox i knocked up out of an old shoe box & loads of gaffer tape.
Who remembers my exploits with evaporative cooling tower & tec setup.
(http://www.talbot-terry.freeserve.co.uk/BONG1.jpg)
Those where the days when money was readily available & a mobos life was days :)
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Who remembers my exploits with evaporative cooling tower & tec setup.
I do 8-) Never fancied a Tec setup myself always seemed far to high maintenance tbh.
How far did you get below ambient with the cooling tower Steve???
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I remember being impressed by it... and thinking I should try one out.... but never got around to it :(
dont want to make you feel old steve.... but I can remember you rposts when I was a kid - reading them ant thinking ohhhhhhhh I should try that
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but I can remember you rposts when I was a kid - reading them ant thinking ohhhhhhhh I should try that
I am old :)
As for temps , with a 500w+ load got temps to a few degrees above ambient
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All hail bigsteve, one of the innovators of the uk scene ? :P
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and yardstick by which the reliability of motherboards was measured for several years. :bowdown: :bowdown:
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wow... rad pretty much sucked back then...
Im a few degrees (about 4) above ambient now... with cpu/mother board/gfx and pus all watercooled... dunno what heat load that is... but the pus must add quite a bit :o
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knighty I think Steve is on about the evaporative tower temps which doesn’t use a rad at all.
Your not OCed so you load would likely be under 1/2 that amount, the CPU is by far the biggest heat producer in any comp, when you OC and up the VCore the heat output starts climbs at a alarming rate! :)
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sorry, I should have explained better... I ment that in those days water temp a few degrees over ambient was pretty damn good.... but its pretty easy these days...
also... with my CPU, mother board (cll ships and mofset thingies), gfx card (gpu/ram/mofsets) 5 hard drives and the PSU Id think I was easily over 500w of heat there...
the psu must put out a fair bit of heat - (its a 1700W model - not sure how much Im using - but I have decent flow rates and it adds at least 3 or 4C to my water temps... I had to re-plum my system to make sure it was the last thing in the loop before the rad :-o
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Fair point didnt know about the PSU:
Heat Transfer Method
Featuring a compact liquid-to-liquid heat exchanger developed exclusively by Koolance, the PSU-1300ATX-12N provides the most efficient heat transfer available among any ATX power supply. Heat from each component is dumped directly into an internally circulating non-conductive liquid, through the heat exchanger, and out to an existing water cooling system. Thus, liquids are kept completely separate and normal cooling fluid can be used with the PSU-1300ATX-12N.
The PSU-1300ATX-12N is not a self-dissipating product and must be connected to an existing water cooling system via its external nozzle sockets (G 1/4 threading). A PCI L-bracket "slot adapter" is provided for easy hose routing back into the chassis through an available card slot. This helps reduce the power supplys internal length.
The PSU-1300ATX-12N is capable of producing some extreme wattages. When used at maximum output capacity, Koolance recommends a water cooling system capable of dissipating at least 250W of heat while powered by 110VAC, or 300W for 220VAC. This is in addition to other water-cooled components. In other words, if your cooling system is designed around a 700W hardware heat load (CPU and dual video card water blocks, for example), the PSU-1300ATX-12N should be allotted an additional 250-300W of cooling capacity. If unavailable, it is also possible to dedicate a separate cooling system solely for the power supply, such as Koolances ICM-509.
http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=665
The fact your not OCing such a system IS a crime tbh! lol
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I was never much into ICing back in the day.... so Im a bit out of my debth now... theres about a million and one different options in my bios.... I had a little fiddle with the options... but it wouldnt boot at anything but the standert m/b "fastest possible" option settings...
:(
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Not used that exact board, but have used the chipset, would need to look at the manual to see where everything is to do it manually and don’t have time now will look later if you want?
To get the mobo to do it automatically try setting “Ai Overclock tuner” to X.M.P.
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yeah... if you could.. that would be great :-)
CPU temp never goes over 35C going full belt... m/b, gfx, etc.. are all simmiler of cooler... and thats with rad fans on 5v... Id be happy to stick em on 7v which knocks about another 5C off :-)
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Will grab the manual and post something later then :)
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Will start off with a pretty basic set up to get you to 4 GHZ which your set up will easily be able to do, all voltages are well within what is considered safe for the board and your cooling,
I would start of by setting:
Ai Overclock Tuner to Manual
CPU Voltage to 1.3v
North Bridge Voltage to 1.6v
Dram voltage up a couple of settings.
FSB Strap 400
FSB Frequency 400
Dram:FSB 1:1
That is overclocking both memory and CPU, there is a very very slim chance your Ram or board wont like it, if it doesn’t you can set a divider and just OC the CPU but as I said its very slim.
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ok... done that and booted back in... all working ok
I just formated earlier so need to install the temp monitoring software///
woulcdnt see where to set the dram to fsb ratio to 1:1 ?
also... didnt know what dram volts were at... it was on auto... set it to 2.0 ?
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Cool so at 4GHz now?
what Ram you got and what voltage is standard for it?
Not sure how they word Dram:FSB under the Asus Bios, could be Dram frequency maybe does it says 400, 333, 266, 133 or something like 1.1, 1.2?
Give this prog a run on blend for 10 mins or so http://www.overclock.net/attachments/downloads/36840d1165737486-orthos-orthos_exe_20060420.zip
If it passes turn the FSB Frequency to 420 and test again ;)
Would also be interested what 1m Superpi time you get http://files.extremeoverclocking.com/file.php?f=36
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(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/1927/4ghz.jpg)
cant get temp program to work... checked in the bios, cpu at 45C nb/sb at 55C water at 33C
upping pump from 7v to 12v and stick the fans on 12v dropped temps to 40cpu, 45 nb/sb 30C water
stuck them back on low... is still plenty cool
will connect up the little lcd screen that came with the m/b which displays temps - never bothered with it before but would be handy now !
running stress test now, 3 min done so far :-)
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edit... memory is... (2 of - 4 sticks at 2gb total))
Corsair Twin3X 4GB DDR3 (2x2048MB) TW3X4G1600C9DHX PC3-12800 (1600MHz) Dual Channel Kit
can;t see it for sale at tek anymore, will google it a bit to check normal volts....
(damn memory has come down a lot in price!... that was over 300 quids worth when I bought it!)
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Nice same Superpi time as mine at 4Ghz.
I use http://www.cpuid.com/hwmonitor.php for temps, stuck it in the startup folder so it starts with Windows.
BTW not sure how long you have had that chip? but if its a EO stepping they are good for 4.5-4.8 GHz on water 8-)
Edit: the ram is 1.90V, so 2v should be fine.
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I bought the chip when they first came out, downloading that program now...
(http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/3949/orthos.png)
off to up fsb to 420... brb ;)
p.s. temps after running orthos for 15 min...
(http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/6517/temps.png)
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Nice :)
I was looking at the wrong Ram ITW3X4G1600C7DHX not TW3X4G1600C9DHX which you have,
The default voltage is 1.8v not 1.9v just check that the sticks are not getting a bit to warm when running the stress test.
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new screenies
(http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/1796/cpuid.png)
(http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/9118/superpi.png)
Im going to have to run off to bed sometime in the next 20min or so...
how much further should I push it before I go ? was thinking could be a good idea to leave it stress testing overnight ?
p.s. thanks for all this helo, Im well chuffed ! kinda makes up for the £250 mother board !!!
edit: this is at 420fsb - 4.2 ghx
I think i found the ratio setting thingie from earlier... but it only goes between 6 and 10 ?
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Yep it is getting late :P
I wouldnt leave it stress testing overnight yet, but if it tests ok tomorrow at 4.2 GHz take it up at 100Mhz at a time till you max either the Ram or CPU out :)
Edit: The 6 - 10 will be the multiplier.
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still running at 4.2..... going great :-)
temps are pretty good at idle.... theyre all between 30 to 35C so pretty standerd tbh....
Ill have a play tonight and see how far I can push it.... I think Ill organise the cooling a bit better too.... its setup to be totaly silent... cpu temp hit 55C last night stress testing it..... 55 isnt a problem but Im not sure if that was the max or just as far as it got before I went to bed...
also... ram was a little hot... Ill try knocking it down to 1.9v
back off to work now, will leae it running all day doing nothing and see if its still going when I get home tonight :-)
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couldnt resist it... am at 4.4ghz...
not sure if its ok yet.... seams to be running fine.... the temps in cpuid are pretty normal... but as soon as i run orthos they the cpu temp jumps 10C... instantly... its not warming up... its just jumping ?
edit2: maybe a mod could split this off into its own thread ?
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Nice 1GHz+ OC’s are always FTW! :yarr:
Just noticed the priority in Orthos is only set to 1, turn it up to 8 and test again, it puts a lot more stress on the CPU and Ram then, (don’t set it to max or you can’t switch it off :P)
You can give the CPU more voltage if needed, if you do start to get errors try 1.35v on the CPU and 1.65v on the North Bridge.
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late finish from work.... going for a whower and food... will leave orthos going while Im gone ;-)
at 4.4Ghz
(http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7661/orthos44.png)
(http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/9118/superpi.png)
(had to up the volts like you sugested)
ran perfect... cpu temp topped out at 40C, NB at about 50C
but.... im a quiet freak... was too noisy like that for me (fans on 12v)...
Ive got a plan so sort out the cooling over the weekend... Ill sort that out and then have a bit more fiddle if you can help some more ?
Im going to hook up a relay to one of the fan hedders to trip the pump up to 12v from 7v if/when temps start to rise
and going to re-connect my massive rad in the celler ( 6foot long, 3 foot wide, 1 foot thick, good for 12kw of heat loss at 10C temp difference)
Id be suprised if that didnt knock my full load temps back down to the mid thirties... which is about what my idol temps are right now.... still running at 4.4 but might get a bit warm if I push it... all alarms are set to 70C so Ill have plenty of warning before anything bad happens :-)
also... thanks again for all the hellp... Im bloody impressed :D
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ok... so Ive got the bug a bit now....
upped my mym timings a bit (from ~800 to ~1600mhz)
got this from super pie
(http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/9118/superpi.png)
these are my (badly edited together for one long list) bios settings...
(http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/5654/bios.jpg)
ram is suposed to run 1600mhz @ 9-9-9-9-24 @ 1.8v... whatever that means...
everything running perfect, stress testing for hours no problems :-)
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Hehe looking at how easy you got 4.4Ghz I would say that chip isn’t finished yet, you have still got quite a bit of CPU voltage to play with, 4.4GHz with only 1.35v means you have quite a good chip. Can you feel the increase btw?
I need 1.38v for 4GHz on mine, with you on water you can use more voltage than I can on air, so long as your cooling can keep up. If you fancy pushing it further when you have sorted out your cooling give me a shout :)
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I can defenatly feel the difference !
it was quick before.... qucikest machine Ive ever used by a long way... but bloody hell its fast now :-o
defenatly up for pushing it a bit further.... soon as I sort out my cooling so I can keep it silent !
(its silent at 4.4 right now!)