I want to upgrade....
but thought myaube I should hold off for the AM3 socket cpus....
I dont really need quad core... but as long as the quad cores at the time are the same speed as the dual cors then Ill go quad...
was thinking of going eith 8gig of ram too.... its so damn cheap right now !
anything else i should wait for ?
(5200x2, 2 gig of good ddr, Gforce7900gt at the moment)
Why 8 gig? nothing will use it. Unless you use some really serious memory hogging programs *and* have a 64 bit OS then you are better off getting 2*2gb dimms
If you wait for the next best thing to come out, youll never buy anything!
Ah, tis just like the good old days . . .
Quote from: White GiantIf you wait for the next best thing to come out, youll never buy anything!
Ah, tis just like the good old days . . .
This is gods honest truth, my eldest brother has been thinking about a new computer for the last year and a half, he hasnt bought anything yet.
His cpu is a 2.2ghz pantsium.
Quote from: knightyI want to upgrade....
but thought myaube I should hold off for the AM3 socket cpus....
I dont really need quad core... but as long as the quad cores at the time are the same speed as the dual cors then Ill go quad...
was thinking of going eith 8gig of ram too.... its so damn cheap right now !
anything else i should wait for ?
(5200x2, 2 gig of good ddr, Gforce7900gt at the moment)
Just get a better GFX card and Add some RAM? You have the basics of a decent enough rig there. Maybe wait a bit, the ATi 4x00 series are due any time in the next few weeks. Close enough now to figure its worth waiting to see if it has a decent performance gain. Possibly get a new Board if you feel you _must_ upgrade, but make sure its AM2+. That gives you the PCIe 2.0 and Hypertransport 3 for later CPUs.
thats kind of what I was thinking.... I dont really game much so the gfx card isnt such a big deal...
really what I wanted to know (and should have said already) is.... is it work waiting for the AM3 sockets to come out ?
Quote from: knightythats kind of what I was thinking.... I dont really game much so the gfx card isnt such a big deal...
really what I wanted to know (and should have said already) is.... is it work waiting for the AM3 sockets to come out ?
Possibly yeah, but they arent due for a year or so yet. If your rig does everything you need it to then why upgrade? im similar to you in that im running a 6000+, with am X1950. Ive yet to find out that it struggles with, and its not cost effective to upgrade right now. What Youll spend probably wont give you a decent enough jump in power for the money youll lay out. Get a 6000+ or similar if you want a jump in CPU power. They are less than £100 for one at the moment.
If you want to buy a new one you could donate me your old rig, that will give you something to throw your money at and make it more worthwhile then -)
lol... I might update in a month or so... then the left over bits are yours nige :-)
(should be m/b cpu and ram)
Im still deciding if i really should upgrade yet.... I was planning on waiting to get an AM3 m/b so I can upgrade now, and then get a new CPU when these new AM3 ones come out.... but I don;t want to wait a year !
Ive gone the route of "chuff it" and bought a laptop instead. :)
Decided Id had enough of my POS desktop cluttering things up and taking up space. Think its time to buy a laptop, keep it in good nick, flog it every year and buy another model then :)
A few people I know have done the same as meta, kinda of like what people do with new cars I suppose. Get a new one every few years.
knighty drop AMD and go Intel, AMD are not worth spending money on at the minute or in the foreseeable future :( due to Intels big performance lead and better pricing.
IMO go for a Core 2 Duo Wolfdale, with 4 gigs of ram, seeing you have watercooling you should get a really nice OC and it will blow the performance of your current system out the water by quite a large margin.
Around 400 quid for CPU, mobo and Ram. :)
Quote from: Shaunknighty drop AMD and go Intel, AMD are not worth spending money on at the minute or in the foreseeable future :( due to Intels big performance lead and better pricing.
ill give you the performance lead, but bang for buck you can get a more specced out AMD rig than an Intel one. The Intel fanboys manage to pretend that for a decent motherboard you only need spend the same as an AMD board for instance. plus, buying the really high-end stuff isnt needed by pretty much anyone. Why pay a massive premium for something you wont get the benefit out of?
oh, and for HTPC equipment there is no way at present to justify buying Intel either. They dont have a decent chipset out that will decode Blu-Ray without being forced to either overspec the CPU, or buy an additional graphics card.
Beaker dont talk rubbish and be careful who you call a fanboy lol.
400 quid for CPU, mobo and Ram isnt high-end or a lot to spend on a upgrade by any stretch of the imagination, so far in this thread you have recommended a GFX card, more RAM, new mobo and CPU which would still end up with a slower system than I have suggested and how much change from 400 quid on that lot?
Go read the internet!!! Intel have better "bang for bucks" on lower and midrange chips than AMD and have had for some time, what exactly does HTPC equipment have to do with this current thread???
Quote from: ShaunBeaker dont talk rubbish and be careful who you call a fanboy lol.
400 quid for CPU, mobo and Ram isnt high-end or a lot to spend on a upgrade by any stretch of the imagination, so far in this thread you have recommended a GFX card, more RAM, new mobo and CPU which would still end up with a slower system than I have suggested and how much change from 400 quid on that lot?
Go read the internet!!! Intel have better "bang for bucks" on lower and midrange chips than AMD and have had for some time, what exactly does HTPC equipment have to do with this current thread???
no, i have suggested incremental upgrades. Intel dont have better bang for buck unless you overclock. If you dont overclock they dont offer better deals. Unless you are buying the high-end gear the prices are _much_ better on AMD. the price of the CPU is all people look at, what about feature spec on the motherboards? Intel chipsets are either expensive and well specced, or cheap and sh*te. You are pretty much required to buy a £100+ motherboard or not bother. Ive just been putting some Intel based machiens together over the past couple of weeks.
My actual recommendations are in my 1st post. i.e. upgrade the RAM and GFX. The rest was only if he feels he has to. At the moment there is no real reason that I can see he would need to upgrade his existing rig beyond maybe some RAM and GFX. Plus while you Intel fanboys sit there going on about how much better Intel is, Ill sit in the middle. My own rigs are AMD purely because when i bought it all an equal spec Intel would have cost an extra £150 or so. HTPC matters because it points out that a low-end machine at the moment it pretty much best of built on the 780G chipset. Go and find an S775 motherboard that can even touch it in its field.
Im not going to argue with you or spend the time getting the info that will prove you wrong, as I have better things to do with my time.
But I will say calling me a fanboy is pure lol :rofl: Also your knowledge is sadly lacking and as I said in my last post go read the internet.
Quote from: ShaunIm not going to argue with you or spend the time getting the info that will prove you wrong, as I have better things to do with my time.
But I will say calling me a fanboy is pure lol :rofl: Also your knowledge is sadly lacking and as I said in my last post go read the internet.
*shrug*
think what you want, last few weeks ive been building up a couple of high-end rigs that got dropped Intel in in seconds. I was also building up a cheapy rig for someone. Just a browsing machine. Ended up AMD based, with a 770 series chipset. Reason? I could get a much better rig on AMD than on Intel, unless I wanted to give the person a machine they couldnt upgrade very far. CPU = 5400+ @ £60, Board = £50, 2Gb RAM £20, 3850 @ £90. 320Gb spinpoint @ £40.
Intel would have been a hell of a lot more for the same power, starting at the E6420 CPU costing roughly twice the amount @ ~£120 and moving on from there.
You have implied im stupid, im not. You arent willing to listen to anything but "Intel is cheapest and Best", Would imply you are the dumb one.
Well you implied I was a fanboy any chance of a discussion on the subject went out the window then :disappointed:
Quote from: ShaunWell you implied I was a fanboy any chance of a discussion on the subject went out the window then :disappointed:
You where the one telling Knighty to do a full upgrade to Intel. I initiall suggested what he could probably want, and then when the topic moved onto other suggestions I made further comments. You then rubbished any suggestion that AMD would be a decent choice for anyone. They are. Hell my 6000+ that is over 12 months old now still runs everything I throw at it, at decent res, with no slowdowns. If that will work fine then I cant see why at the moment you would really want anything much faster. People get obsessed with horsepower over what the machine will actually be used for.
On a person front im not bothering upgrading for at least another 12 months. I was considering it, but ive figured that unless something comes out it cant handle even with a few add-ons itll stay as is. I may be kind of interested in the possibility of an X4 9850, but thats because my board will support it, and itll not need anything else. Need to see the benchies 1st. On what im running at the moment I cant justify spending on a new CPU, Board and RAM for the little performance gain ill get. However a beefier CPU may be a possibility.
I didnt rubbish anything I give a alternative upgrade path and also my own view, which is also the commonly held view on the state of AMDs chips if you go read the good hardware sites out there. Also the upgrade I suggested overclocked would be a very big upgrade on what Knighty currently has Im sorry its far more than a "little performance gain"
Knighty never said at any point during this thread that he wanted to stick to AMD or how much he wanted to spend. Also just because you cant see any point in upgrading your current system as it meets your needs, it doesnt make it wrong for others to want more...even if they dont make full use of it, hell its there money at the end of the day not yours!!! and IMO there is nothing wrong with suggesting alternatives and other paths without the need to pull out the fanboy card to defend your current position.
Quote from: ShaunI didnt rubbish anything I give a alternative upgrade path and also my own view, which is also the commonly held view on the state of AMDs chips if you go read the good hardware sites out there. Also the upgrade I suggested overclocked would be a very big upgrade on what Knighty currently has Im sorry its far more than a "little performance gain"
Knighty never said at any point during this thread that he wanted to stick to AMD or how much he wanted to spend. Also just because you cant see any point in upgrading your current system as it meets your needs, it doesnt make it wrong for others to want more...even if they dont make full use of it, hell its there money at the end of the day not yours!!! and IMO there is nothing wrong with suggesting alternatives and other paths without the need to pull out the fanboy card to defend your current position.
The good hardware sites are recommending Intel for full upgrades, but the ones that I would consider worth listening to arent ignoring people who have existing AMD systems. I tend to suggest what peoples posts indicate. Knighty indicated he has an EAMD and wanted to stick with it. If he decided that he wanted to go Intel it isnt my job to stop him, nor is it your job to suggest people that arent using the very latest thing, and dont see the point to spending on it are wrong. As for meeting my needs, plays crysis at 1680x1050 at medium with no issues(seems to sit at about 30fps with shadows off). In my opinion all Knighty needs to do is upgrade the GFX and stick another 2Gb of RAM in there. Total cost of the upgrade would likely be between £100 and £175 for that type of upgrade. Rather than just saying someone needs to do a full replacement of their system it might be an idea to actually take a look at what they have, then suggest based off that if the core components arent out of date. If it was an AthlonXP or S754 AMD i would also be suggesting a full upgrade, most likely to Intel unless there where indications that the person asking wanted AMD. As it is the 5200+ isnt actually a bad CPU, and would be suitable for the next hear or so.
To Clarify, for a low(ish) cost upgrade ::
nVidia 8800GT 512mb
Extra 2Gb of decent RAM.
cost would be roughly £175.
Probably get a 64bit OS to take full advantage of the extra RAM.
Quote from: BeakerTo Clarify, for a low(ish) cost upgrade ::
nVidia 8800GT 512mb
Extra 2Gb of decent RAM.
64bit OS to take full advantage of the extra RAM.
probably going to do that for now..... tho Ill have to replace my ram as I only have 2 slots... ram is so damn cheap right now I cant resist it !
Quote from: knightyQuote from: BeakerTo Clarify, for a low(ish) cost upgrade ::
nVidia 8800GT 512mb
Extra 2Gb of decent RAM.
64bit OS to take full advantage of the extra RAM.
probably going to do that for now..... tho Ill have to replace my ram as I only have 2 slots... ram is so damn cheap right now I cant resist it !
What i would suggest at the moment is not buying a GFX card until the 48x0 cards arrive later this month. The initiial reports on the spec is rather promising, and ATi are fighting their corner properly again. Rather than the lacklustre performance of the 2xxx series, and the cheap but only mid-range GFX cards in the 38xx series. I personalyl like the 38xx series cards for their performance versus price, but the recent drop oin nVidia prices edged them out as 1st choice.
Next week, Thursday morning is good.
Quote from: sdpNext week, Thursday morning is good.
thursday morning it is then !
Quote from: BeakerQuote from: knightyQuote from: BeakerTo Clarify, for a low(ish) cost upgrade ::
nVidia 8800GT 512mb
Extra 2Gb of decent RAM.
64bit OS to take full advantage of the extra RAM.
probably going to do that for now..... tho Ill have to replace my ram as I only have 2 slots... ram is so damn cheap right now I cant resist it !
What i would suggest at the moment is not buying a GFX card until the 48x0 cards arrive later this month. The initiial reports on the spec is rather promising, and ATi are fighting their corner properly again. Rather than the lacklustre performance of the 2xxx series, and the cheap but only mid-range GFX cards in the 38xx series. I personalyl like the 38xx series cards for their performance versus price, but the recent drop oin nVidia prices edged them out as 1st choice.
For 1080p HD you are going to have to get something really special to outdo the 3x50 HD boards.
Quote from: SeriousFor 1080p HD you are going to have to get something really special to outdo the 3x50 HD boards.
yeah, the new 48x0 series cards are a progression from the 37x0 series, totally new GPU core. Initial reports indicate that they should spank the 3000 series, and should be a realistic option instead of the nVidia range as well. Plus, they are aparrently pricing them "Agressively". That would suggest they should be undercutting the nVidia gear too. That interested me, if they can produce them, and undercut nvidia for equal or more power they will likely end up as card of choice for a lot of people.