Im not going to argue with you or spend the time getting the info that will prove you wrong, as I have better things to do with my time.

But I will say calling me a fanboy is pure lol Also your knowledge is sadly lacking and as I said in my last post go read the internet.

Quote from: ShaunIm not going to argue with you or spend the time getting the info that will prove you wrong, as I have better things to do with my time.

But I will say calling me a fanboy is pure lol Also your knowledge is sadly lacking and as I said in my last post go read the internet.

*shrug*

think what you want, last few weeks ive been building up a couple of high-end rigs that got dropped Intel in in seconds.  I was also building up a cheapy rig for someone.  Just a browsing machine.  Ended up AMD based, with a 770 series chipset.  Reason?  I could get a much better rig on AMD than on Intel, unless I wanted to give the person a machine they couldnt upgrade very far.  CPU = 5400+ @ £60, Board = £50, 2Gb RAM £20, 3850 @ £90.  320Gb spinpoint @ £40.  

Intel would have been a hell of a lot more  for the same power, starting at the E6420 CPU costing roughly twice the amount @ ~£120 and moving on from there.  

You have implied im stupid, im not.  You arent willing to listen to anything but "Intel is cheapest and Best", Would imply you are the dumb one.  

Well you implied I was a fanboy any chance of a discussion on the subject went out the window then  

Quote from: ShaunWell you implied I was a fanboy any chance of a discussion on the subject went out the window then  

You where the one telling Knighty to do a full upgrade to Intel.  I initiall suggested what he could probably want, and then when the topic moved onto other suggestions I made further comments.  You then rubbished any suggestion that AMD would be a decent choice for anyone.  They are. Hell my 6000+ that is over 12 months old now still runs everything I throw at it, at decent res, with no slowdowns.  If that will work fine then I cant see why at the moment you would really want anything much faster.  People get obsessed with horsepower over what the machine will actually be used for.  

On a person front im not bothering upgrading for at least another 12 months.  I was considering it, but ive figured that unless something comes out it cant handle even with a few add-ons itll stay as is.  I may be kind of interested in the possibility of an X4 9850, but thats because my board will support it, and itll not need anything else.  Need to see the benchies 1st.  On what im running at the moment I cant justify spending on a new CPU, Board and RAM for the little performance gain ill get.  However a beefier CPU may be a possibility.  

I didnt rubbish anything I give a alternative upgrade path and also my own view, which is also the commonly held view on the state of AMDs chips if you go read the good hardware sites out there. Also the upgrade I suggested overclocked would be a very big upgrade on what Knighty currently has Im sorry its far more than a "little performance gain"

Knighty never said at any point during this thread that he wanted to stick to AMD or how much he wanted to spend. Also just because you cant see any point in upgrading your current system as it meets your needs, it doesnt make it wrong for others to want more...even if they dont make full use of it, hell its there money at the end of the day not yours!!! and IMO there is nothing wrong with suggesting alternatives and other paths without the need to pull out the fanboy card to defend your current position.

Quote from: ShaunI didnt rubbish anything I give a alternative upgrade path and also my own view, which is also the commonly held view on the state of AMDs chips if you go read the good hardware sites out there. Also the upgrade I suggested overclocked would be a very big upgrade on what Knighty currently has Im sorry its far more than a "little performance gain"

Knighty never said at any point during this thread that he wanted to stick to AMD or how much he wanted to spend. Also just because you cant see any point in upgrading your current system as it meets your needs, it doesnt make it wrong for others to want more...even if they dont make full use of it, hell its there money at the end of the day not yours!!! and IMO there is nothing wrong with suggesting alternatives and other paths without the need to pull out the fanboy card to defend your current position.

The good hardware sites are recommending Intel for full upgrades, but the ones that I would consider worth listening to arent ignoring people who have existing AMD systems.  I tend to suggest what peoples posts indicate.  Knighty indicated he has an EAMD and wanted to stick with it.  If he decided that he wanted to go Intel it isnt my job to stop him, nor is it your job to suggest people that arent using the very latest thing, and dont see the point to spending on it are wrong.  As for meeting my needs, plays crysis at 1680x1050 at medium with no issues(seems to sit at about 30fps with shadows off).  In my opinion all Knighty needs to do is upgrade the GFX and stick another 2Gb of RAM in there.  Total cost of the upgrade would likely be between £100 and £175 for that type of upgrade.  Rather than just saying someone needs to do a full replacement of their system it might be an idea to actually take a look at what they have, then suggest based off that if the core components arent out of date.  If it was an AthlonXP or S754 AMD i would also be suggesting a full upgrade, most likely to Intel unless there where indications that the person asking wanted AMD.  As it is the 5200+ isnt actually a bad CPU, and would be suitable for the next hear or so.  

To Clarify, for a low(ish) cost upgrade ::
nVidia 8800GT 512mb
Extra 2Gb of decent RAM.  

cost would be roughly £175.  

Probably get a 64bit OS to take full advantage of the extra RAM.

Quote from: BeakerTo Clarify, for a low(ish) cost upgrade ::
nVidia 8800GT 512mb
Extra 2Gb of decent RAM.  
64bit OS to take full advantage of the extra RAM.

probably going to do that for now..... tho Ill have to replace my ram as I only have 2 slots... ram is so damn cheap right now I cant resist it !

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Quote from: BeakerTo Clarify, for a low(ish) cost upgrade ::
nVidia 8800GT 512mb
Extra 2Gb of decent RAM.  
64bit OS to take full advantage of the extra RAM.

probably going to do that for now..... tho Ill have to replace my ram as I only have 2 slots... ram is so damn cheap right now I cant resist it !

What i would suggest at the moment is not buying a GFX card until the 48x0 cards arrive later this month.  The initiial reports on the spec is rather promising, and ATi are fighting their corner properly again.  Rather than the lacklustre performance of the 2xxx series, and the cheap but only mid-range GFX cards in the 38xx series.  I personalyl like the 38xx series cards for their performance versus price, but the recent drop oin nVidia prices edged them out as 1st choice.  

Next week, Thursday morning is good.

Quote from: sdpNext week, Thursday morning is good.

thursday morning it is then !

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Quote from: BeakerTo Clarify, for a low(ish) cost upgrade ::
nVidia 8800GT 512mb
Extra 2Gb of decent RAM.  
64bit OS to take full advantage of the extra RAM.

probably going to do that for now..... tho Ill have to replace my ram as I only have 2 slots... ram is so damn cheap right now I cant resist it !

What i would suggest at the moment is not buying a GFX card until the 48x0 cards arrive later this month.  The initiial reports on the spec is rather promising, and ATi are fighting their corner properly again.  Rather than the lacklustre performance of the 2xxx series, and the cheap but only mid-range GFX cards in the 38xx series.  I personalyl like the 38xx series cards for their performance versus price, but the recent drop oin nVidia prices edged them out as 1st choice.  

For 1080p HD you are going to have to get something really special to outdo the 3x50 HD boards.

Quote from: SeriousFor 1080p HD you are going to have to get something really special to outdo the 3x50 HD boards.

yeah, the new 48x0 series cards are a progression from the 37x0 series, totally new GPU core.  Initial reports indicate that they should spank the 3000 series, and should be a realistic option instead of the nVidia range as well.  Plus, they are aparrently pricing them "Agressively".  That would suggest they should be undercutting the nVidia gear too.  That interested me, if they can produce them, and undercut nvidia for equal or more power they will likely end up as card of choice for a lot of people.