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QuoteAsked in an interview with the Guardian if he was comfortable with the teaching of creationism in schools, [Archbishop of Canterbury] Dr Rowan Williams said: "Ah, not very."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4828238.stm
Its not taught in any schools here either, but crap laws putting stickers on books such as "evolution is just a theory" have gone through.
Its used as a political and cultural weapon. Ugh.
The people treat the bible as a literalists buffet, instead of a collection of inspired and sometimes enlightening musing.
...gotta go, time to stone my daughter to death for not doing the dishes properly...
Yup! hes got the same opinion as me.
Discuss religion in the correct theatre. For example in religious education class, not during science lessons.
I think thats the failing with american schools to be honest, theres no "religious education" lessons to discuss topics like this in, so they feel compelled to force it in with other lessons that just dont make sense.
Add a new lesson to your curriculum covering religions of the world in your class, dont involve prayer it doesnt belong in a non-church school, but give kids the opportunity to learn about different religions around the world as over here. Ive visited mosques, synagogues, churches discussed ethics with rabbis, canons, vicars, and imams and various other religious leaders. Ive also discussed things through with athiests and agnostic group leaders.
This is all through my school in Religious Education lessons. Its left me a more rounded person, I am familiar with all there is to know about creationism, and also theories surrounding vishnu and co.
Why the hell cant american schools get the same idea?
Thers quite a bit of real history in the bible but a lot of it has been misheard and translated over the years so it aint what it used to be.
There is some pressure here now but so far its not had any actual effect and it isnt likely to. We are far too much of a multicultural society for any one group to impose an issue like that, America has a far higher proportion of evangelists and Born Again Christians (most BACs need their heads examining TBH).
Quote from: M3ta7h3adI think thats the failing with american schools to be honest, theres no "religious education" lessons to discuss topics like this in, so they feel compelled to force it in with other lessons that just dont make sense.
I think on previous evidence they would do it anyway. At least one religious group has put up an edutainment museum that tries to indicate that dinosaurs lived alongside humans rather than predate them. Must admit I had a good laugh at that one before I realised the consequences to IQ challenged people in the US.
Id just be happy if the Book of Revelation was excised from the collection. Makes folks around here act really [twirls fringer around ear] nutso.
Somebody asked Bush if his apocalyptic mindset affected foreign policy yesterday. Ohhhh, the uncomfortable silence, then stuttering denial. :evil:
Quote from: maximusotterId just be happy if the Book of Revelation was excised from the collection. Makes folks around here act really [twirls fringer around ear] nutso.
Somebody asked Bush if his apocalyptic mindset affected foreign policy yesterday. Ohhhh, the uncomfortable silence, then stuttering denial. :evil:
lol I love the book of revelation, adds a bit of excitement :) Admittedly if your a nutter it could affect you. But dont deny us sane folk our kicks :D
Used to be a softy and loved the book of Corinthians too :D
Quote from: maximusotterId just be happy if the Book of Revelation was excised from the collection. Makes folks around here act really [twirls fringer around ear] nutso.
Somebody asked Bush if his apocalyptic mindset affected foreign policy yesterday. Ohhhh, the uncomfortable silence, then stuttering denial. :evil:
Aye, its all a bit fire-and-brimstone, expecting the "Rapture" and all that.
Anyone read any of the "Left Behind" series of books? Ive read on or two - interesting story about the end of the world, Rapture, Rise of the AntiChrist etc and I gather the Second Coming. But also a bit weird.
I do wonder what Bush et al think of loving and praying for enemies, turning the other cheek, those who live by the sword die by the sword, etc. Maybe doesnt consider the invasion of Iraq to be a war. Sigh.
I know this is totally off topic now but you know - I think Saddam would have been better left in power. He obviously knew how to keep the warring factions in Iraq under control.
Everything was bungled from day one. Compared to whats happening now, the average Iraqi had it much better under mr. moustache. Before, you knew that if you kept your mouth zipped and faked your allegiance to the Bath party, youd most likely live a long time, but now they have the excitement of roving murder squads. Yay! Woo! Eek.
Happy third war anniversary everybody! :(
Firstly they really muffed up after the invasion, Bush didnt put enough troops in to keep the peace. As it stands we have no proof either way that they are better or worse off. In the long term they might be better off but we will never know, they could have been a lot better off than they are now though.
Really all you have to do to get most BACs going is to suggest switching around the first six days in the creation bit so that the making of the sun comes before light, it really pees them off ... :twisted: :mutley:
Quote from: SaraI know this is totally off topic now but you know - I think Saddam would have been better left in power. He obviously knew how to keep the warring factions in Iraq under control.
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I can kinda see your thinking, but from what I understand the control was maintained basically by completely oppressing one of the two main muslim groups in Iraq (and anyone else who disagreed with his regime), and because they were seen to be getting preferential treatment, the other lot fell into line.
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Not just preferentila treatment, he opressed everyone and killed/tortured those that were judged to be any threat. He included families in the torture not just the suspect so a man being taken in could see his wife and children tortured or murdered.
The Sadam regime wasnt a walk in the park
To sort of bring the thread back around, the Busheviks are now using this need to overthrow an evil dictator to free people as the sole defendable reason for invasion. Faith and freedom are mixed in the same speeches. Urg.
Plenty of repressive regimes around the world, Saddam was pretty far down on the list compared to Korea, and many of the notorious corrupt dictatorships in Africa.
Dont think oil had anything to do with it. No, never oil, it was about Christian brotherhood...yeah, thats the ticket.
Quote from: SeriousThe Sadam regime wasnt a walk in the park
Yeah, but thinking that a vacuum of power in an arab country full of clashing tribes, somehow creates natural democracy instead of insurgency and violence is pretty naive.
My boss is a bible-basher... now before i get flamed, i dont use this a an insult, i use it as a descriptive term of someone who tries to force their beliefs on others, ie bashing the bible down their throat.
I say this because whilst in work the other day i mentioned that in my opinion, religion is the source of all war.... to which he agreed, and said this was a good thing... how else could we protect our religion?
So my point to him was...."Well maybe we should abolish all religion, after all, you dont see athiests warring with each other do you?"
Him.."That would never work, its a silly idea"
Me..."So what would you do if your son, at 19, turned round and said im an athiest. Would it bother you?"
Him.."Of course it wouldnt bother me, everyone got the right to make a mistake"
Not "got the right to make their own choice" or "make their own decision".... "Make a mistake" i was silently livid!! (he writes the reports on me to uni!!)
Make a mistake? Ask the jerk for empirical proof that believing in something that cannot be seen is a mistake.
Religion can do some folks good, but when its taken to its extreme, like insisting on teaching creationism when there is compelling evidence that its bogus--thats when youve taken the train to stoopidville.
Quote from: maximusotterAsk the jerk
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REALLY wanted to cus i was having a crap day... but like i said... he holds the key to the Hons bit of my BSc Hons! :(
Quote from: Christopher MonkeyQuote from: maximusotterAsk the jerk
I REALLY wanted to cus i was having a crap day... but like i said... he holds the key to the Hons bit of my BSc Hons! :(
If you fear for your grades if you share your opinion with him, then somethings wrong. Id write a formal letter to
his superior, mentioning his inappropriate comments.
Good point..... ill probably bring it with him next week.... after my review :D
Quote from: Christopher MonkeyGood point..... ill probably bring it with him next week.... after my review :D
Thats me boy. :D
After the review, youre safe to confront him as well, but that might be uncomfortable.
Id see if your school has a policy about such things. Surely youre allowed to be open about your faith, but if you use it to intimidate others, then thats a no no. I wasnt there so, its your judgement.
Id ask him about the time when man walked the earth with dinosaurs, just to get a reaction. :mrgreen:
Hate to say it mate but your as foolish as him if you think religion is the cause of ALL wars.
I think youll find that its over land most commonly, control of the government secondly.
The current civil war kicking off in iraq is over control.
Religion is rarely the cause of a war (crusades and whatnot excluded), but simply the scapegoat.
IMO.
War is a disease of man the collective organism.
A lot of killing has gone down due to religion and a lot has gone down due to non-religious ideology.
Id say its as much a divider as a uniter.
Quote from: M3ta7h3adHate to say it mate but your as foolish as him if you think religion is the cause of ALL wars.
I think youll find that its over land most commonly, control of the government secondly.
The current civil war kicking off in iraq is over control.
Religion is rarely the cause of a war (crusades and whatnot excluded), but simply the scapegoat.
IMO.
Relgion can be the cause of wars but it is more likely to be used to cause or justify war for the sake of control.
Points taken... but as Max said, its as much a divider
Quote from: Christopher MonkeyI say this because whilst in work the other day i mentioned that in my opinion, religion is the source of all war.... to which he agreed, and said this was a good thing... how else could we protect our religion?
Greed, stupidity, pigheadedness, a false belief in superiority and excessive intollerance in varying combination tend to cause at least 99% of wars. Religion is just an excuse, even in the crusades.
Quote from: maximusotterWar is a disease of man the collective organism.
Which we share with ants!
ask him when you have left and a written reference in hand :P
now that sound like a plan! :D
Quote from: maximusotterId ask him about the time when man walked the earth with dinosaurs, just to get a reaction. :mrgreen:
http://www.christiananswers.net/dinosaurs/home.html :mrgreen:
Quote from: skidzillaQuote from: maximusotterId ask him about the time when man walked the earth with dinosaurs, just to get a reaction. :mrgreen:
http://www.christiananswers.net/dinosaurs/home.html :mrgreen:
QuoteBible-believing Christians can be sure of one thing. When dinosaurs were originally created, they were peaceful and harmless just like all the other animals.
:hunf:
cough,cough*bollocks*cough
Quote from: maximusotterQuoteBible-believing Christians can be sure of one thing. When dinosaurs were originally created, they were peaceful and harmless just like all the other animals.
:hunf:
Lions? Tigers? Killer whales? Great white sharks? Pirhanas? ... insert loads of meat eating animals here ... Shrews? :shock:
Quote from: SeriousQuote from: maximusotterQuoteBible-believing Christians can be sure of one thing. When dinosaurs were originally created, they were peaceful and harmless just like all the other animals.
:hunf:
Lions? Tigers? Killer whales? Great white sharks? Pirhanas? ... insert loads of meat eating animals here ... Shrews? :shock:
"When dinosaurs were originally created" meaning before original sin Serious, when everything was happy and cuddly in the garden of eden. (Apart from the damned snake, obviously).
Trouble is Im not sure god is really worried about us sinning otherwise there would be a lot more instant penalties for doing it. As for the original sin he damn well knew it was going to happen so it was all his own fault, should have put hooge flames around the tree of life before he started.
Actually the perfection before original sin is definitely a misconception, Adam certainly wasnt the first man if you take the bible as fact. On the sixth day god made man - it doesnt say he made Adam on the sixth day, he was made later. It doesnt say that all the animals were in the garden of Eden or that they lived together harmoniously or they didnt have their lamb dinner or whatever so any outside the garden can kill and eat each other - no problem.
on a tangent, this interview with former republican strategist Kevin Phillips is just amazing...and horrifying:
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/03/21/1418243
I think that at least some Republicans are coming to their senses about Dubya and his administration, hopefully not a moment too soon.
Quote from: SeriousI think that at least some Republicans are coming to their senses about Dubya and his administration, hopefully not a moment too soon.
Its still frightening when around half of his base are apocalyptic evangelicals that literally think that hes sent by God to lead. This is no joke and its not hysteria. They are hell bent on making this a theocracy.
What I dont get is why they hate the Islamic fundamentalists so much, as theyve got much in common.
There are a smattering of current GOP office holders that are distancing themselves from Bush, but then you have usually sane right wingers like senator McCain (R Arizona) that are still Bush apologists.
The people stepping forward, writing books, and doing the talk show circuit warning about Bush, that are also Republicans, are pre-Reagan conservatives--and theyre smart enough to be terrified.
A big concept with the looney end of the right is the idea of a "permanent GOP majority" which is just a nice way of saying "theofascism".
That fictitious speech I linked to from Boston Legal with James Spader lamenting the state of the Union, really sums it up best:
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Boston-Legal-Sti.movQuoteAlan Shore: When the weapons of mass destruction thing turned out to be not true, I expected the American people to rise up. Ha! They didnt.
Then, when the Abu Ghraib torture thing surfaced and it was revealed that our government participated in rendition, a practice where we kidnap people and turn them over to regimes who specialize in torture, I was sure then the American people would be heard from. We stood mute.
Then came the news that we jailed thousands of so-called terrorists suspects, locked them up without the right to a trial or even the right to confront their accusers. Certainly, we would never stand for that. We did.
And now, its been discovered the executive branch has been conducting massive, illegal, domestic surveillance on its own citizens. You and me. And I at least consoled myself that finally, finally the American people will have had enough. Evidentially, we havent.
In fact, if the people of this country have spoken, the message is were okay with it all. Torture, warrantless search and seizure, illegal wiretappings, prison without a fair trial - or any trial, war on false pretenses. We, as a citizenry, are apparently not offended.
There are no demonstrations on college campuses. In fact, theres no clear indication that young people seem to notice.
Quote from: maximusotterQuote from: SeriousI think that at least some Republicans are coming to their senses about Dubya and his administration, hopefully not a moment too soon.
Its still frightening when around half of his base are apocalyptic evangelicals that literally think that hes sent by God to lead. This is no joke and its not hysteria. They are hell bent on making this a theocracy.
or hurrying up the rapture :o
QuoteWhat I dont get is why they hate the Islamic fundamentalists so much, as theyve got much in common.
Same for the Islamic Fundamentalists and the Jews. Until the end of WW2 the same applied to Christians and Jews.
Hitler wasnt the first to persecute, deport and murder the Jews, that was the English and it happened a very long time ago. Edward 1st limited their ability to work, taxed them into abject poverty, forced them to wear a yellow star and then in 1290 ordered the survivors to be expelled, an unknown number were murdered enroute. France expelled its Jews in 1306.
They were not allowed back into England until 1656.