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Dont buy an Iphone next week
on: November 02, 2007, 21:34:30 PM
I think the Iphone is a cool bit of kit but has its issues
Needs 3g, a better camera and bit more space for the ipod side and later versions will come and cheaper of course but there is one reason if your considering getting it.

It is O2 only and although that is already known there is one thing you may not know.
It is illegal in France and a few other EU countries to have a phone only tied to one service provide and Apple want and are going to sell in these countries, especially France and so what they are doing is going to release an unlocked iphone provided to these companies

You will be able to pick one up from France probably cheaper and be officially unlocked to comply with French Law so will go through itunes etc for its updates and all that fine. Come here and whack your sim card in and your away

So if you want one get it from France when it is released there

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Reply #1 on: November 02, 2007, 21:50:57 PM
Its a contract phone.

Every contract phone ive ever owned (as an O2 user since the past er... 5 years) has always been unlocked. You purchase the phone as part of your contract price, it is yours to do with as you wish.

"locked to o2" dont believe you. It may only be sold through O2 with certain contracts, but it wont be locked.

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Reply #2 on: November 02, 2007, 22:00:47 PM
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Its a contract phone.

Every contract phone ive ever owned (as an O2 user since the past er... 5 years) has always been unlocked. You purchase the phone as part of your contract price, it is yours to do with as you wish.

"locked to o2" dont believe you. It may only be sold through O2 with certain contracts, but it wont be locked.


You not been clued up with the iphone then ^^
The iphone with at&t as it will be in the uk is hardware locked into the service provider unlike the standard way you have to unlock a phone from the service.
As has been talked about all over the web and on these forums you have to do an insane amount of very complex hacking of the iphone to allow it to work with other networks and every time there is an update Apple in their first fixed the hole and said they plan to with each update with any new holes and brick peoples iphone which they have done so already.

If you purchase an iphone from France it will not have any lock down on it at all and will work fine with the updates etc as I mentioned, the only thing with the UK is if you brick it you can warranty it still unlike In America as the laws are different
You can still unlock it if you buy the uk one but run the risk of it being bricked

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Reply #3 on: November 02, 2007, 22:06:17 PM
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Quote from: M3ta7h3ad
Its a contract phone.

Every contract phone ive ever owned (as an O2 user since the past er... 5 years) has always been unlocked. You purchase the phone as part of your contract price, it is yours to do with as you wish.

"locked to o2" dont believe you. It may only be sold through O2 with certain contracts, but it wont be locked.


You not been clued up with the iphone then ^^
The iphone with at&t as it will be in the uk is hardware locked into the service provider unlike the standard way you have to unlock a phone from the service.
As has been talked about all over the web and on these forums you have to do an insane amount of very complex hacking of the iphone to allow it to work with other networks and every time there is an update Apple in their first fixed the hole and said they plan to with each update with any new holes and brick peoples iphone which they have done so already.

If you purchase an iphone from France it will not have any lock down on it at all and will work fine with the updates etc as I mentioned, the only thing with the UK is if you brick it you can warranty it still unlike In America as the laws are different
You can still unlock it if you buy the uk one but run the risk of it being bricked


No... you are basing your entire post on whats happened in america.

For someone who is moving across the world, your geography is crap.

America != UK. :)

Until I see for myself that phones are hardware locked to the UK Operator O2... then im not buying your story.

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Reply #4 on: November 02, 2007, 22:15:50 PM
Quote from: M3ta7h3ad
No... you are basing your entire post on whats happened in america.

For someone who is moving across the world, your geography is crap.

America != UK. :)

Until I see for myself that phones are hardware locked to the UK Operator O2... then im not buying your story.


I had one in my hand earlier today, and they are locked in the firmware to O2.  Youll have to buy them from France or similar unless Apple agree to sell them unlocked.  After speaking to a mate who has one, and has unlocked it there is WAY too much risk involved in unlocking them to be comfortable with.  Especially when the online updates promptly brocks them.  

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Reply #5 on: November 02, 2007, 22:25:31 PM
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Quote from: M3ta7h3ad
Its a contract phone.

Every contract phone ive ever owned (as an O2 user since the past er... 5 years) has always been unlocked. You purchase the phone as part of your contract price, it is yours to do with as you wish.

"locked to o2" dont believe you. It may only be sold through O2 with certain contracts, but it wont be locked.


You not been clued up with the iphone then ^^
The iphone with at&t as it will be in the uk is hardware locked into the service provider unlike the standard way you have to unlock a phone from the service.
As has been talked about all over the web and on these forums you have to do an insane amount of very complex hacking of the iphone to allow it to work with other networks and every time there is an update Apple in their first fixed the hole and said they plan to with each update with any new holes and brick peoples iphone which they have done so already.

If you purchase an iphone from France it will not have any lock down on it at all and will work fine with the updates etc as I mentioned, the only thing with the UK is if you brick it you can warranty it still unlike In America as the laws are different
You can still unlock it if you buy the uk one but run the risk of it being bricked


No... you are basing your entire post on whats happened in america.

For someone who is moving across the world, your geography is crap.

America != UK. :)

Until I see for myself that phones are hardware locked to the UK Operator O2... then im not buying your story.


Well they did announce it with Big steve there saying they would be at the O2 announcement that was posted here so ^^

Quote from: Beaker
I had one in my hand earlier today, and they are locked in the firmware to O2.  Youll have to buy them from France or similar unless Apple agree to sell them unlocked.  After speaking to a mate who has one, and has unlocked it there is WAY too much risk involved in unlocking them to be comfortable with.  Especially when the online updates promptly brocks them.  

And why getting the French ones is a good idea as there is no risk like I said :)

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Reply #6 on: November 02, 2007, 22:35:52 PM
Theres a simple solution for France - they just sell them unlocked but at the full cost of the 12 month contract in the UK.  Im kind of expecting exactly that tbh

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Reply #7 on: November 02, 2007, 22:46:10 PM
Im getting one and the O2 contract is a better deal than the Orange one Im currently on. Visual voicemail only works on O2 as well.

In addition I dont think there is a price yet for the unlocked version so it may be huge amounts.

3G doesnt bother me and the camera is good enough for the stuff Id use a phone for. Ill put a few vids and podcasts on it and keep my 80gig iPod for everything else.

I know therell be a new version in  year or less, but I dont mind tthat either. I usually upgrade my iPod every other generation and will likely do the same with the iPhone.

Im excited :)
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Reply #8 on: November 02, 2007, 22:48:14 PM
What I dont get is all the huff and blow over it.

Phone technology turns over FAST. VERY FAST.

The iphone is already out of date. Come April next year, its virtually a mk1 motorola rzr.

Apple are expecting to get a few years out of this thing. I dont see how. This time next year every other cheap phone will have a similar interface. WM6 is still in ints infancy, but it has third party support, big time.

WM6 devices ftw.

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Reply #9 on: November 02, 2007, 22:53:05 PM
Ive been on o2 for a long time, and if the iphone wasnt o2, i wouldnt of thought twice about it.

however it is, and ill be there nice and early on the 9th ready to get mine.

Free wifi in cloud zones?! its gunna be amazing, thats ITboxes, btphone boxes, mcdonalds, and thousands of other free wifi zones throughout the uk. Its worth it alone, just for the wifi. will the french iphone work with the free wifi or the oter neat little features of the iphone?

Im so excited for it, I cant wait.

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Reply #10 on: November 02, 2007, 23:24:30 PM
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Im getting one and the O2 contract is a better deal than the Orange one Im currently on. Visual voicemail only works on O2 as well.

In addition I dont think there is a price yet for the unlocked version so it may be huge amounts.

3G doesnt bother me and the camera is good enough for the stuff Id use a phone for. Ill put a few vids and podcasts on it and keep my 80gig iPod for everything else.

I know therell be a new version in  year or less, but I dont mind tthat either. I usually upgrade my iPod every other generation and will likely do the same with the iPhone.

Im excited :)


that is a point, Apple may put a bit more of a price on it being non hard locked as it will be

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Reply #11 on: November 03, 2007, 00:33:36 AM
The update for them released by apple F*** yo ass was certainly interesting.  Americans who had used unlocking software on them suddenly found out they owned a brick, with no way of resurrecting it. There has been rather a stink on because of this action.

Whatever you do check up before you buy, the ones sold in America were more expensive overall than any similar phone available.

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Reply #12 on: November 03, 2007, 00:58:35 AM
Quote from: Mark
What I dont get is all the huff and blow over it.

Phone technology turns over FAST. VERY FAST.

The iphone is already out of date. Come April next year, its virtually a mk1 motorola rzr.

Apple are expecting to get a few years out of this thing. I dont see how. This time next year every other cheap phone will have a similar interface. WM6 is still in ints infancy, but it has third party support, big time.

WM6 devices ftw.


Im expecting the iPhone/iTouch to integrate with Apple TV in about 6-12 months.  This will give downloadable video content through iTunes to iPhones.  I think itll be doing it in a mobile version of the H264 format.  I also think this is related somehow to googles aquisition of youtube and it shifting every youtube video across to the H264 format.

Then Im expecting google to take over the newly opened wireless frequencies globally in about 24 months.  Theyre already bidding and likely going to gain a total monopoly on the best frequency for wireless access.  At this point theyll announce that apple and google have gone into partnership to produce the next generation of phones which are totally wireless braodband enabled and they are now no longer dependant upong the traditional carriers/networks.

Over the next 12 months Id expect all phone calls to shift onto the new wireless frequency band and global wireless to be provided free of charge through the google network on apple phones.  Theyll change the financial model of obile phones to service charges not call costs (much like the way we now pay for a months internet not how long were on the phone).

With phone call and data costs now essentially free the handset cost of iPhones will drop through the floor.  Other carriers ill be charged a premium to use the google phone backbone which will mean they cannot match the google/iPhone price and have to go specialist or fail.

While the other companies fail the google OS and apple OSs will probably merge as they share a unix base.  At a guess this will use virtualization to allow a seemless mix between a secure Apple OS for media content and the phone functions and the open Google OS which can be made totally expandable without destroying apples iTunes revenue stream for content.

As soon as the media content is secure Im expecting them to discover they can stream HD using the broadband frequency spectrum google has bought. (2-3 years in).  As Verizon stepped aside to let google buy the frequencies alone Im thinking they need to reemerge somewhere for their cut.  Itll probably be around here I guess with the introduction of MPEG7.  Verizon becomes responsible for streaming network management?  Or possibly running the wireless backbone for (or as part of) google while google releases a ton of tools that allow searching of video data using the MPEG7 markup information and advertising within the MPEG7 data so you can buy what you see on screen/access premium content.


At this stage everyone is using googles carrier network because nothing else can compete.  The partnership with apple (the two companies share directors already) means the iPhone handset will totally dominate the phone market in various forms.  And they suddenly have everyone walking round with media players, an always on broadband link to those media players, and a fixed portal to their media content through iTunes.  They make the money back by charging movie companies/advertisers/braodcasters to stream data over the network or place links in the MPEG7 streams.  Then the whole cost is passed on to the broadcasters/advertisers making phones cheaper still and the partnerships lead over the others insurmountable.

I cant see any way the other companies can stop this if apple and google have had talks.  If theyve had this chat (which they must have tbh) then from the moment google gets the wireless spectrum and apple launch a phone which can place calls over a wireless network its pretty much game over.



Why do I think this?

Apple TV seems to be an underdeveloped product.  The iPhone and iTouch have way less memory than is needed which implies to me theyre going to be dummy terminals not content storage devices.  Google and Apple share boards of directors now.  Google is taking the newly opened up wireless frequencies.  Apple and google are both switching all of their content to H264 which can be readily converted into mobile streaming.  Apple hates the fact they have to use traditional carriers.  Apple didnt put wireless in the phones yet when they could have easily which implies thats the next one when they announce a wireless phone.  Apple have made their OS totally platform independent so it can be virtualized.  Google is about to launch an open phone OS which is bound to be able to run other OSs in parallel.  Apple locked their OS down despite outcrys.  Both companies have invested heavily in media content distribution.

Apple wants to dominate hardware markets and push its iTunes distribution.  This gives them total dominance of the mobile handset market and content distribution.

Google want to be the number one portal for all data services and keep earning money through advertising only.  By being the major phone carrier they do the first and selling MPEG7 tags on content which can potentiall reach everyone they get their advertising revenue.

Id put serious money theres a 3 year plan to totally take over the phone networks and give free handsets with contracts.  A 5 year plan to switch the whole ball game to content distribution and tv.

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Reply #13 on: November 03, 2007, 08:21:27 AM
Quote from: M3ta7h3ad
Its a contract phone.

Every contract phone ive ever owned (as an O2 user since the past er... 5 years) has always been unlocked. You purchase the phone as part of your contract price, it is yours to do with as you wish.

"locked to o2" dont believe you. It may only be sold through O2 with certain contracts, but it wont be locked.


well, every contract phone Ive had has been locked.
Suppose you must get some old phone or PAYG.

The O2 is locked to the iPhone.
Part of the deal, as well as apple getting a % of everyones bills who has an iphone.

Me personally, dont see the fuss about it.

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Reply #14 on: November 03, 2007, 09:33:32 AM
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Quote from: M3ta7h3ad
Its a contract phone.

Every contract phone ive ever owned (as an O2 user since the past er... 5 years) has always been unlocked. You purchase the phone as part of your contract price, it is yours to do with as you wish.

"locked to o2" dont believe you. It may only be sold through O2 with certain contracts, but it wont be locked.


well, every contract phone Ive had has been locked.
Suppose you must get some old phone or PAYG.

The O2 is locked to the iPhone.
Part of the deal, as well as apple getting a % of everyones bills who has an iphone.

Me personally, dont see the fuss about it.


Old phone... consider all of my phones were brand new and most top of the market at the time.

Nokia 8210
Sony Ericsson T610
Sony Ericsson K700i
Sony Ericsson W550i
Nokia N80
O2 XDA Orbit.

Of course... old phones and payg... despite the fact Ive paid monthly for them. All of those are unlocked. Contract phones are unlocked especially with O2. You may get O2 Firmware, but its unlocked... I can put whatever sim I want into it providing it matches the tech (3G obviously doesnt work in a 2G phone).

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