Its pointless for both police and military application. As Dave said, youll die of dehydration if you wear it in summer combat conditions. Itll also make you more vulnerable as  you wont be as mobile.

It makes sense to improve helmets and vest shielding, as those are the parts of the body usually exposed in firefights, and are what trained marksmen aim at, not arms and legs.

The only thing it would be good for is SWAT type raids. Most of the cops and soldiers Ive discussed this with (after the raid to sieze Elian Gonzales) agree that the most important thing about the SWAT "outfit" is pure intimidation. When five guys burst into your place in full black tactical gear and even helmets, youll more likely sh*t your pants than put up a fight.

Quote from: maximusotterIts pointless for both police and military application. As Dave said, youll die of dehydration if you wear it in summer combat conditions. Itll also make you more vulnerable as  you wont be as mobile.

It makes sense to improve helmets and vest shielding, as those are the parts of the body usually exposed in firefights, and are what trained marksmen aim at, not arms and legs.

The only thing it would be good for is SWAT type raids. Most of the cops and soldiers Ive discussed this with (after the raid to sieze Elian Gonzales) agree that the most important thing about the SWAT "outfit" is pure intimidation. When five guys burst into your place in full black tactical gear and even helmets, youll more likely sh*t your pants than put up a fight.

If you actually read the source and read up on more
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Hurtubise

It has air cooling and he has driven it on a hot day in a car for miles and is fine and has things like his paste built in keeping it both cool and fireproof.

Not for your general soldier but top tactical units would certanly find such a thing useful if it is indeed that light and it is $10ks cheaper then any other suite of this type which is why others never made it about.
If it was insulated it would be then an ideal winter tactical suite.

As with anything military multiple versions could suite very good needs and if military like it they would take it in and its development would progress.
His bear suite was huge and pointless and why he lost all his money but that has taught him a lot and this could be very viable in a few years.

He says he made it for the guys in places like Iraq and so heat would have been thought about.
The point is though that warfare is not the same and as you will see this year bloody street battles are the new battlegrounds and a lot of lives have been lost already and they have not even gone into the towns and areas in Baghdad where the nuts and bolts of the bad stuff exist.

Tactical squads in this gear for seak and destroy machines would have for more protection then current standards by a mile and the building to building combat that would be involved would be a better then then if they did it today.
Swat go build to building sweeps and into attack zones with more protection then current soldiers in Iraq.

Its by no way finished yet its still got a lot of work. Im saying its the next step for modern warfare. Exoskeleton based suits are going to be goooooood

Video of the suit:
http://www.hamiltonspectator.com/media_archive/jan-11-2007_a.html

Lovin the CrotchClock.

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Quote from: maximusotterIts pointless for both police and military application. As Dave said, youll die of dehydration if you wear it in summer combat conditions. Itll also make you more vulnerable as  you wont be as mobile.

It makes sense to improve helmets and vest shielding, as those are the parts of the body usually exposed in firefights, and are what trained marksmen aim at, not arms and legs.

The only thing it would be good for is SWAT type raids. Most of the cops and soldiers Ive discussed this with (after the raid to sieze Elian Gonzales) agree that the most important thing about the SWAT "outfit" is pure intimidation. When five guys burst into your place in full black tactical gear and even helmets, youll more likely sh*t your pants than put up a fight.

If you actually read the source and read up on more
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Hurtubise

It has air cooling and he has driven it on a hot day in a car for miles and is fine and has things like his paste built in keeping it both cool and fireproof.

I read the damn source, dont claim that you know better than me what media Ive consumed. I really question the reliability of a cooling mechanism in such a suit. Really, the guys tested it in the Canadian midwest. That suit would be titsup in a day or two in real ME desert combat conditions.

If such a suit was practical, itd already been deployed. Looks to be more of an exercise in rad-ness by a Halo playing Canadian hyperpatriot.

All hes gotta do is say hes had a few phone calls from nk or iran and then hes loaded.

Quote from: maximusotterIf such a suit was practical, itd already been deployed.

Making two big assumptions there.

One: that they would have deployed it if practical. It depends entirely on costs and design, up to now suits have been either too big/bulky/heavy or too expensive. Either would stop them being deployed until further development makes it worthwhile.

Two: That military commanders will see a good idea for what it is. You end up with the people in command thinking is it worth it? and not going any further, this happened in the RAF during WW1 with parachutes and it wasnt until the American pilots came over with them that the Europeans got them. Cost is a major issue and companies will try to get as much as they can for a given product, defence industries are particularly prone to this.

You also assume that someone cant design a cooling system thats suitable. This may be true for extreme locations like the desert, but for Europe and less problematic situations then the problem may not exist at all.

I would strongly agree that the suit would be impractical in Iraq, but what about Afghanistan? Totally different proposition.

A lot of the present troops are getting shot in limbs, it can put them out of the battle for some time. If this is effective then it should be considered for  use - where it is suitable to do so.

QuoteLooks to be more of an exercise in rad-ness by a Halo playing Canadian hyperpatriot.

The Canadians are much less prone to that attitude than the gung-ho Americans - [elvis] I thank you [/elvis]

Quote from: neXusHe says he made it for the guys in places like Iraq and so heat would have been thought about.

Point is - it doesnt matter whether hes designed it for that situation or not - unless it has been designed in conjunction with military personel or it is something they specifically requested then chances are something like that will be a bag of sh*te... and even then it could still be a bag of sh*te

Point being that the designer has no clue what they actually require - hes just made some robocop outfit because he thinks it looks cool & along with the other people on the thread trying to support it doesnt really appreciate  what is really required.

if you want an example then take a look at this:

Bear in mind that the osprey body armour is no where near as bulky as that robo cop sh*te is:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=419963&in_page_id=1770

(sorry about the source - but they are quoting british troops)

QuoteNew body armour issued to British troops in Afghanistan and Iraq is so bulky that many are forced to take it off to fire their weapons, the Daily Mail can reveal.

Soldiers cannot fit their assault rifles to their shoulders or look through the sights properly when wearing the kit.

The Ministry of Defence has spent Ã,£16million on the new Osprey Improved Combat Body Armour which is meant to improve the odds of surviving bullets or shrapnel.

It covers the front and back of the torso with wider and thicker ceramic plates than in previous armour vests.

But troops under fire have chosen to rip out the plate inserts and throw them away, judging that freedom to move and fire their weapon is more likely to save their lives than thicker armour.

Royal Marines serving in Afghanistan have given a scathing assessment of the new kit, claiming it put them at "greater risk" of becoming casualties.

Body armour has been a highly sensitive issue for the Ministry of Defence ever since tank commander Sgt Steve Roberts was shot dead in Iraq in 2003, days after being ordered to hand in his armour because there were not enough sets to go around.

The political fall-out from his death proved highly damaging, and the MoD has now spent some Ã,£16million sending 16,000 upgraded Osprey body armour sets to Afghanistan and Iraq for infantry troops, along with an even heavier "Kestrel" version with extra arm and neck armour for soldiers in the vulnerable "top cover" position on patrol vehicles.

Each set of Osprey armour costs around Ã,£1,000 - compared with just Ã,£167 for older sets which had smaller ceramic plates to protect the vital organs.

But after putting Osprey to the test in battle, many troops are quietly now ignoring orders to wear it.

One Marine told the Mail: "Weve had situations where as soon as weve got into a contact [firefight with enemy], guys are pulling out the plates and throwing them away. Thats what I did.

"Its hard to run for cover wearing Osprey. Theyre heavy, but more importantly theyre so bulky you cant even bend down.

"Worst of all you cant fit your weapon to your shoulder. The front plate is so thick and in just the wrong place so the rifle butt slips off the edge, and you cant get your eye to the sight.

"So youve got an infantryman who cant hold his rifle correctly or aim properly.

"Who designed this thing? Someone behind a desk?

"Theyre clearly worried about casualties, which is fine, but its as though someone whos never been on the ground has decided to push this stuff out to all the lads."

Holding the rifle butt firmly to the shoulder is vital for accurate marksmanship, troops claim.

Another Marine told the Mail: "Id say this kit actually puts you at greater risk.

"Theres more to protection than bigger and thicker armour.

"Contact drills are about moving fast and putting rounds down accurately on the enemy, not waddling along hoping the bullets bounce off you."

Marines also told how many have bought their own hand-held satellite navigation kits, which they believe are essential, as well as cold-weather gear to cope with plunging temperatures.

One serviceman said: "There are big bits of Afghanistan where maps are a waste of time. Its featureless desert.

"If you need to call in air strikes or artillery you need GPS. A few people get issued them but everyone with any command responsibility - even at a low level - knows they need a set, and lots of the guys have bought their own.

"When one of our Viking vehicles was shot up a few weeks back a bunch of Bergens [backpacks] were lost.

"We sent a list of the personal kit the guys had lost, and the MOD came back and were asking why anyone would need all this gear? They just dont get it."

Shadow Defence Secretary, Dr Liam Fox, said: "If the body armour given to our troops is making it harder or them to carry out combat duties then the MoD should review the equipment.

"Ministers need to carry this out immediately."

The MOD said it was up to commanders on the ground to assess which body armour their men should wear.

A spokesman said: "Osprey body armour was widely tested by soldiers in the Infantry Trials Development Unit.

"It offers superb protection and saves lives. Any issues about equipment should be reported through the chain of command."

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Quote from: neXusHe says he made it for the guys in places like Iraq and so heat would have been thought about.

Point is - it doesnt matter whether hes designed it for that situation or not - unless it has been designed in conjunction with military personel or it is something they specifically requested then chances are something like that will be a bag of sh*te...

Point being that the designer has no clue what they actually require - hes just made some robocop outfit because he thinks it looks cool & along with the other people on the thread trying to support it doesnt really appreciate  what is really required.

Actually you make quite a lot of assumptions there
Watch the video and you will he has talked to actual soldiers and high ranking at that and some other news sources leading from the pages linked also show that he is not meeting military leaders.


And I think actually Iraq is a zone it will be effective - City warfare.

It does have a cooling system as well his heat resistance paint applied and moves well
Agreed it wont be mainstream troop but if it does indeed stop small ballistics and bullets it will be well suited for advanced infiltration teams. They go in and the small boobey traps on doors, rooms etc and will be protected, more advanced military grade head gear with night vision etc applied, Quite valid

Quote from: neXusAgreed it wont be mainstream troop but if it does indeed stop small ballistics and bullets it will be well suited for advanced infiltration teams. They go in and the small boobey traps on doors, rooms etc and will be protected, more advanced military grade head gear with night vision etc applied, Quite valid

you really dont have a clue do you

"advanced infiltration teams" what the hell are you talking about??

as for your other points - fancy heat paint & talking to military leaders isnt necessarily going to make any difference to the other major flaws of that - in that a) it has no use, B) it is too bulky

Sometimes I think computer games detach people from reality a bit too much.

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Quote from: neXusAgreed it wont be mainstream troop but if it does indeed stop small ballistics and bullets it will be well suited for advanced infiltration teams. They go in and the small boobey traps on doors, rooms etc and will be protected, more advanced military grade head gear with night vision etc applied, Quite valid

you really dont have a clue do you

"advanced infiltration teams" what the hell are you talking about??

as for your other points - fancy heat paint & talking to military leaders isnt necessarily going to make any difference to the other major flaws of that - in that a) it has no use, B) it is too bulky

Sometimes I think computer games detach people from reality a bit too much.

Everyone is allowed post their view and comments and to get personal is a waste of your time, dont bother
most countries have special forces and special infiltration teams, very common knowledge that, if you not heard of them does not mean they dont exist.
South Africans actually probably one of the best for example as the units handle police related assaults and investigations due to the nature of the country as well as Military responses.

We will see what happens with it, its a version one that demonstrates a lot of features and at a lesser cost compared to previous attempts which may gave merit to warrant military funds and research of which is possible IF they take it on.
And as with all things, they get smaller and lighter

So again it is very plausible and if still cheap used by certain tactical units, mainstream soldier maybe not, I have already said that but sqauds to clear out areas of Iraq, where that for the few hours your at work in those deadly zones of Baghdad and save your life being blow back by a small bomb here and there and/or city gun battles and come out with your limbs and so saving lives then it IS something to be explored.

Have a bit more thought less having ago at someone who is only voicing an opinion ^^

sorry but youre not just voicing an opinion - youre trying to argue a point on a subject you know nothing about

Quote from: Davesorry but youre not just voicing an opinion - youre trying to argue a point on a subject you know nothing about

Thing is people should be assigned to try it in actual battlefield or at least training conditions *before* we paint it with the same tar as something else.

British stuff tends to be *cheap* and sacrifice usefulness for low cost.

They probably supplied all the armour in extra large size only

looks alright.

is it a fetish suit or something?