a bit like how it was easier to write a high level emulator for the N64 when it first came out!

Quote from: zpyderhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/apr/09/shipping-pollution

Its a media report, rather than a scientific report, so read into it what you will. Wasnt too hard to find either.

Wooohhhh, I dont see any such claim in there.

It claims that shipping causes max 4% of world pollution (all ships). I dont see anything about only 15 ships causing the same as the entire uk. Which if you think about it sounds rather stupid.

Facts guys, facts.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/dominic-lawson/dominic-lawson-heres-another-phoney-war-the-one-on-climate-change-1801798.html

Thats a good article I read in the paper today. Just hunted it down to link it in here. Im very much in the camp that believe the vast majority of climate change is out of our hands.

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Quote from: zpyderhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/apr/09/shipping-pollution

Its a media report, rather than a scientific report, so read into it what you will. Wasnt too hard to find either.

Wooohhhh, I dont see any such claim in there.

It claims that shipping causes max 4% of world pollution (all ships). I dont see anything about only 15 ships causing the same as the entire uk. Which if you think about it sounds rather stupid.

Facts guys, facts.

As I said, wasnt too hard to find. Not worth putting much effort into finding an article someone else mentioned considering its doubtful anything anyone says here will change anyone elses opinion on the subject.

A lot of them have truth in them. Just being sensible really.
Business and large companies together with their manufacturing plants and material product for these are a big problem. They churn out to much crap. Resources need like coal cause issues. I would agree to a point about the shipping and travel and what that does.

Taking into account every odd bod like us and what we do, that adds up. But not to the extent governments make us pay or try and get us to save the planet, AND PAY! Just a way to get more money out of us that in my opinion.
Yeah we can do better but still... I mean here the recycling is 10 times better then what we had in Leicester. Every week I am just putting out 1 orange bag of pure rubbish, a full bin of recyclable and food waste is disposed off Down the sync muncher. But I would be doing what I do now in Leicester if they gave me the options! A small blue box that can hold bugger all is pointless. If it was overflowing or you put plastics in a bag separate they would not take them!

Anyway... I think we should keep it up to reduce emissions etc. This drive is helping develop the hydrogen fuel cells which will be in laptops, cars, phones if they get them small enough etc which will be more viable really soon. Just add water.
BUT I do agree with the world and its cycles and it was just a warm cycle and I bet in a few years it will get colder. I am also sure the environmentalists will shout out that it is worse then they thought, what we are doing has made it worse then being to hot but global freezing as a result of global damage or something, lol.

Quote from: Sam

Quote from: zpyderhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/apr/09/shipping-pollution

Its a media report, rather than a scientific report, so read into it what you will. Wasnt too hard to find either.

Wooohhhh, I dont see any such claim in there.

It claims that shipping causes max 4% of world pollution (all ships). I dont see anything about only 15 ships causing the same as the entire uk. Which if you think about it sounds rather stupid.

Facts guys, facts.

Ok I got it wrong. The fact was that 15 of the worlds biggest ships emit as much pollution as the entire worlds 760,000,000 cars.

I think that is an even more impressive statistic than the whole of the UK one anyway.

/Goes and boils a full kettle for 1 cup of tea and turns the thermostat up a couple of degrees...

Quote from: DEViANCEOk I got it wrong. The fact was that 15 of the worlds biggest ships emit as much pollution as the entire worlds 760,000,000 cars.

I think that is an even more impressive statistic than the whole of the UK one anyway.

/Goes and boils a full kettle for 1 cup of tea and turns the thermostat up a couple of degrees...

Ships use the last dregs of the oil after all the otherwise useable stuff has been removed, that means its very high in sulphur, which is bad for the environment, producing nasty effects on health and acid rain. Carbon wise its about the same as burning tar.

Which is all fine and well saying this, but you cannot overlook the quantity even still, its still a crapload >< (for want of technical terms, its too early!)

Quote from: DEViANCEOk I got it wrong. The fact was that 15 of the worlds biggest ships emit as much pollution as the entire worlds 760,000,000 cars.

I think that is an even more impressive statistic than the whole of the UK one anyway.

I think it depends on how much pollution 760m cars make. Is that better or worse than say a ton of factories?

This is where it becomes a bit grey, how many of those cars are making single person trips 1 mile down the road every day? And how many of those factories are producing "wasteful" products etc...

Lots of cars and almost all factories.

Just to venture into this debate once more, probably a mistake, but something Ive always found interesting since reading it whilst at uni, was someone called William Gray who predicted global cooling would begin in 2009/2010. Sources I could find tonight state he predicted this in 2006, though Im sure the paper I read whilst at uni was a few years earlier than that.

I wonder how much longer it will be before people like him who managed to predict the cooling farely well get in the papers with big "I told you so"s, or how many years in a row it will need to be cool before its acknowledged?

I should also add that this doesnt mean that he/i think global warming doesnt exist, only that he predicted (fairly well) that the trend of warming would take a dip for a while...

OLast iceage is supposed to have been preceeded by a warming period.

the depressing thing about an ice age is.... you think itll be ok... weve got nuclear power etc... its not like the human race will die out... I could put up with a few years or ice age.....

then you realise itll last hundreds of years...

cba being old in an ice age.... grannies slip over easily enough as it is without a fricking ice age making it worse !

Quote from: knightythe depressing thing about an ice age is.... you think itll be ok... weve got nuclear power etc... its not like the human race will die out... I could put up with a few years or ice age.....

then you realise itll last hundreds of years...

cba being old in an ice age.... grannies slip over easily enough as it is without a fricking ice age making it worse !

3rd World Countries will be fkced if it hit them, Millions would die