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Chat => General Discussion => Topic started by: neXus on October 30, 2007, 21:37:28 PM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7069779.stm
Glad I am leaving with all the crap the Uk keeps getting done to itself or ripped off by
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To be honest most of the jobs being created are low paid and thats why theyre being filled like that.
Almost every supemarket I go to I still see a sign in the window hiring. Theres no excuse for people not to simply walk into a job at the bottom end. If there was a shortage of work then fair enough it would be a problem but when someone can get a job the same day they start looking then I cant see a problem.
Its a damn sight harder for graduates to get better than basic jobs and I feel sorry for those. But these arent the jobs Labours been creating and the graduates can still get the bottom end work while they wait.
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cant blame the migrants.
Blame the system.
People in the UK wont work for minimum wage, while the migrants lap it all up.
What will happen eventually is the migrants wont work for minimum wage either & the we have the British dossers & a load of migrant dossers.
Would you work for £220 (before tax) or would you lay about & get £55 a week + paid rent & paid council tax. Its a sad case. People dont look at it ohh Ill be £200 a month better off or whatever, instead they do maths & think f**k that, Im not working for an extra £10 a day.
Goverments fault.
I remember hearing about 1 Minister in London who went to Tottenham Job Centre. They had 120 people "signing on" & 150 Vacancies advertised.
Its like that right across the country. Id give the 6 weeks to find their primary job, a further 6 weeks after that to look for a broader range.
After that they will take whats given to them. Social Security is supposed to be a safety net, not a life style.
I blame large problems on minimum wage. Because of it the goverment has stipulated that everyone should be entitled to around £200 a week. I know it, you know it, Grocery stores know it, Insurance firms know it, the petrol pumps know it & Alcohol companies know it. Now instead of having to set prices for people who would only earn £3 - £3.50 an hour, they suddenly know that everyone "should" have more disposable income.
They arent the only things, House prices have sky rocketed since minimum wage & so has your council tax, etc.
Even domestic labour rates have shot through the roof.
Under Tories it was well known the poor stay poor & the rich get richer.
Under Labour, the poor have got richer, your middle englander has got poorer & the Rich have stayed rich, effectively getting abolishing the lowest of the low social classes. At least before, we had many layers of classes in society, but now under labour, just like everything else the layers are squashed together. Not just the class system, but think of everything where the goverment always appeals to the lowest common denominator.
Smoking ban a prime example. They could easily have done licenced smoking premises, etc. - but no, whats Bad for 1 person means its bad for all.
Your right, this country has gone to Pot. Nothing will change under the big 3 as all they are corncerned about is getting votes & getting into power.
Once there they just all take the gravy train ride.
What they give you with the left hand, they take with the right.
They rob peter to pay paul.
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The article doesnt really say what jobs though does it? If it is the minimum wage long hours jobs that the common engish chav wont get off his backside for then I say kudos to the european who came over here and made the effort.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6593469.stm
Christ some of them go through all sorts to get here legally. As per recent example.
Your right, this country has gone to Pot. Nothing will change under the big 3 as all they are corncerned about is getting votes & getting into power.
Once there they just all take the gravy train ride.
They all seem very good at promising this that and the other ad criticising others, none have the balls to make real strides.
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They all seems to very good at promising this that and the other ad criticising others, none have the balls to make real strides.
They are all afraid.. Labour wont say sh*t about immigration because they think they will lose the vote of the African, Afro-Carribean & Asian population who are allowed to vote.
They dont understand that they are just as pissed off as everyone else.
That & they run scared of the human rights bill.
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The article doesnt really say what jobs though does it? If it is the minimum wage long hours jobs that the common engish chav wont get off his backside for then I say kudos to the european who came over here and made the effort.
Cant be done. Theres the EU Working time directive.
They cant be forced to work long hours. They can sign an agreement saying they will work long hours (which coveres the employers back) but, they can opt out at any time as long as they put it in writing.
Ive done it myself. Agreed to work long hours.
(used to cover as far as North Wales - 4hr drive - our boss wanted us there by 9am & would pay the overtime. I refused to do it as I wasnt interested in the overtime, So I had to opt out the long hours Id agreed to. f**k all he could do)
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cant blame the migrants.
Blame the system.
Goverments fault.
Exactly, they cock up, they balls up and we pay all the time never ending in to many areas
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7069779.stm
Glad I am leaving with all the crap the Uk keeps getting done to itself or ripped off by
Youre moving to another country. That makes you an immigrant you fool. Pot kettle.
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does NZ not have a major prob with asian immigrants
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People slag off immigrants. They come here and do the crap jobs no one else will do. You should be angry at the white trash living next door to you who would rather scrounge dole. And people who think immigrants can come here and get benefits from day 1 are idiots who read the Sun. Ive ran a business and know plenty of business owners and hiring people is a real problem.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7069779.stm
Glad I am leaving with all the crap the Uk keeps getting done to itself or ripped off by
eh?
how is the fact that people come over here and work a bad thing?
Come on dude - what exactly are you going to be doing when you go to New Zealand - pretty much exactly the same thing that the people you are moaning about are doing over here - i.e. moving to a foreign country in the hope of a better life.
Out of the recent intake of 16 people in my firm there were 2 French, 3 Africans, 1 Italian, 1 American and 1 Russian. Of the 8 British citizens 5 are Asian.
The city definitely attracts a very diverse workforce. Plenty of the jobs at the opposite end of the scale are dominated by eastern Europeans, auzzies and south Africans happy to work for minimum wage.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7069779.stm
Glad I am leaving with all the crap the Uk keeps getting done to itself or ripped off by
eh?
how is the fact that people come over here and work a bad thing?
Come on dude - what exactly are you going to be doing when you go to New Zealand - pretty much exactly the same thing that the people you are moaning about are doing over here - i.e. moving to a foreign country in the hope of a better life.
Was not the point I was making and others got
Did you miss the bit on how they cocked up on the numbers and by how much ? ^^
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7069779.stm
Glad I am leaving with all the crap the Uk keeps getting done to itself or ripped off by
Youre moving to another country. That makes you an immigrant you fool. Pot kettle.
Another missing the whole point, lol, Read what I quoted from egg and said ^^
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You dont exactly make yourself very clear in your posts; try reading them through before clicking submit.
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did not say what you thought I said, I left it open and said what I wanted to say, posting news and saying I am glad I am going
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To be honest most of the jobs being created are low paid and thats why theyre being filled like that.
I read somewhere that on average immigrants earn more than natives cos a lot of come here to take good jobs. My dentist is german, the vet is as well, etc
They cant be forced to work long hours.
Place I worked at last had a unofficial policy - if you sign that form youre fired.
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Nexus, honestly, just do yourself a favour and read through your posts before pushing the submit button.
If you speak that way in real life then I feel sorry for you.
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a real life yoda he is, yes mmmm
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Nexus, honestly, just do yourself a favour and read through your posts before pushing the submit button.
If you speak that way in real life then I feel sorry for you.
I post an open post and you insult me, charming. Not going to retaliate to you, no point and of course edd the lappy arrives being a tit
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7069779.stm
Glad I am leaving with all the crap the Uk keeps getting done to itself or ripped off by
Youre moving to another country. That makes you an immigrant you fool. Pot kettle.
Another missing the whole point, lol, Read what I quoted from egg and said ^^
No, youre missing the point, Sams right, you are *NO BETTER THAN THEM*.
They come here to find well paid jobs and a better country to live in, you are doing off to NZ for the same reason. As you are leaving it leaves you no room to complain about them coming here.
TBH you are sounding just a bit racist.
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Nexus, honestly, just do yourself a favour and read through your posts before pushing the submit button.
If you speak that way in real life then I feel sorry for you.
I post an open post and you insult me, charming. Not going to retaliate to you, no point and of course edd the lappy arrives being a tit
I think Its dave way of bluntly pointing out something out to help you. Dont start taking offence.
Whether you can see it or not, you make no other point in your post other than complaining of immigrants taking jobs. Which is why you are being ridiculed becuase that is exactly what you will be doing. Skilled or unskilled.
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Fair enough, then but considering this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7069779.stm
Glad I am leaving with all the crap the Uk keeps getting done to itself or ripped off by
cant blame the migrants.
Blame the system.
Goverments fault.
Exactly, they cock up, they balls up and we pay all the time never ending in to many areas
Referring to yet another cock up by the Government and how that cock up was plastered all over the news today and will do so in the papers tomorrow, bUt I will try to be more detailed next time
But it has been interesting to see people jumping the gun and making a lot of wrong assumptions and even considering others being racist without them hardly saying anything
But next time I will write lots of detail next time to be clear
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Well stay here and stop one of the damn immigrants claiming a job if it means that much to you. The government hasnt had a grasp on migration for decades, it hasnt just turned up because of the present Labour government.
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you never heard the phrase "if you cant beat em, join em" ?
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so is this one of those xenophobe arguments where people dont like economic migration?
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Id let in every eastern european who gets a job and boot out anyone who has ever watched Trisha.
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Place I worked at last had a unofficial policy - if you sign that form youre fired.
then you sue for unfair dismissal
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Id let in every eastern european who gets a job and boot out anyone who has ever watched Trisha.
bullets are cheaper
To be fair to Nexus, he has had to jump through all sorts of loops & climb through all sorts of hoops to get into NZ, because NZ actually have a migration policy.
They are like us, a country thats an island, so much easier to keep out the unwanted.
I myself want to leave this country.
Foreigners get a huge helping hand compared to british folk - thats what makes me a bit resentful against them.
I got a mate who was down the jobcentre & there was a fresh immigrant who was basically given anything he wanted. Housing benefit, courses, driving lessons, etc.
My mate asked about driving lessons & was told he aint eligible.
So Man 1 pays nothing into the system & gets a pot of gold.
Man 2 pays into the system and gets nothing back.
You pay in, you should be able to take out
you dont pay in, then you should be told to f**k off.
But these are goverment decisions, so they should carry the can.
But why would they give a f**k on their 6 figure salaries, living in areas where immigrants aint living on their doorstep
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My mate asked about driving lessons & was told he aint eligible.
So Man 1 pays nothing into the system & gets a pot of gold.
Man 2 pays into the system and gets nothing back.
If your mate was down the dole office hes a waster.
Secondly, you know dont anything about this other guy. Its 2nd hand at best info. How do you know he wasnt an EU resident and therefore not an immigrant at all ?
And if you want to leave, off you go. 27 EU countries to choose from. Dont just sit around complaining.
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living in the eu is piss easy, you just up and move. just remember to abide by local laws, learn the language and people will be nice to you :) i love rural france (admittadly i do want to go home)
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My mate asked about driving lessons & was told he aint eligible.
So Man 1 pays nothing into the system & gets a pot of gold.
Man 2 pays into the system and gets nothing back.
If your mate was down the dole office hes a waster.
Secondly, you know dont anything about this other guy. Its 2nd hand at best info. How do you know he wasnt an EU resident and therefore not an immigrant at all ?
And if you want to leave, off you go. 27 EU countries to choose from. Dont just sit around complaining.
People lose their jobs everyday for all sorts of reasons, doesnt mean hes a waster + technically you have to register if your unemployed so your NI stamp still gets paid - any NI gaps & you risk losing your state pension.
That has to be done down the social security office. - Social Security Office merged with Jobcentres over a year ago.
2ndly, where did I mention the words Illegal Immigrant? Even if he was a EU resident, why should he be entitled to OUR benefits system? Were not entitled to THEIR lower Interest rates for Mortgages.
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My mate asked about driving lessons & was told he aint eligible.
So Man 1 pays nothing into the system & gets a pot of gold.
Man 2 pays into the system and gets nothing back.
If your mate was down the dole office hes a waster.
Secondly, you know dont anything about this other guy. Its 2nd hand at best info. How do you know he wasnt an EU resident and therefore not an immigrant at all ?
And if you want to leave, off you go. 27 EU countries to choose from. Dont just sit around complaining.
People lose their jobs everyday for all sorts of reasons, doesnt mean hes a waster + technically you have to register if your unemployed so your NI stamp still gets paid - any NI gaps & you risk losing your state pension.
That has to be done down the social security office. - Social Security Office merged with Jobcentres over a year ago.
2ndly, where did I mention the words Illegal Immigrant? Even if he was a EU resident, why should he be entitled to OUR benefits system? Were not entitled to THEIR lower Interest rates for Mortgages.
Banks offer mortages it is nothing to do with governments. We are entitled to their cheaper houses and their cheaper beer prices. And many many thousands of britons are leaving to live there. I seriously considered buying a house in eastern europe and living for pennies.
What goes around comes around. The EU is benefical for us. London is the economic powerhouse of the world, and thats partly due to the the EU and we all reap the benefits.
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Im with Sam on this. Im Chinese and my grandparents moved here in the late 60s and setup a business (takeaway of course) and my parents have also followed on from that. They saw the chance for a better life here and jumped on the takeaway bandwagon. In return there have been many British that have moved to Hong Kong in that time.
I have nothing against foreigners coming to do the jobs no one else wants to do. Sadly its not going to get rid of the dossers in this country.
Then theres the kids aswell who take their education for granted and doss about. I know a guy whos wife runs a charity in Africa (cant remember which country) and he visited them for the first time this summer. He spoke to a kid who walks God knows how many miles a day just to go to school. He asked him, do you like school? His reply was I love school because it can give me a better future.
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Im with Sam on this. Im Chinese and my grandparents moved here in the late 60s and setup a business (takeaway of course) and my parents have also followed on from that. They saw the chance for a better life here and jumped on the takeaway bandwagon. In return there have been many British that have moved to Hong Kong in that time.
So that would be British with Chinese heritage? I think that if your grandparents did the moving then you and your parents were probably born in the UK.
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Yer that irks me too. Hes not Chinese anymore than I am. Hes British. However he does have Chinese roots.
Even more irks me in the states when my friends tell me they are Italian or Irish because in 1705 an Italian moved over.
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My parents were born in Hong Kong, I was born and raised here. So its just like a lot of Indians he came in the 60s.
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Yer that irks me too. Hes not Chinese anymore than I am. Hes British. However he does have Chinese roots.
Even more irks me in the states when my friends tell me they are Italian or Irish because in 1705 an Italian moved over.
i guess its because they have no real history and want to grab it from wherever they can?
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Even if he was a EU resident, why should he be entitled to OUR benefits system? Were not entitled to THEIR lower Interest rates for Mortgages.
erm? eh? who told you that rubbish - there is nothing to stop you from getting a mortgage pretty much anywhere in the EU (as long as you can afford it/have an OK credit rating)