This is an island. It is a piece of land entirely surrounded by water:
(http://www.africapoint.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/robben-island.jpg)
Note the lack of roads and cars.
This is the OED definition of an island:
noun
1a piece of land surrounded by water:
the island of Crete
[as modifier]:
this island nation
2a thing regarded as resembling an island, especially in being isolated, detached, or surrounded in some way:
the university is the last island of democracy in this country
a traffic island.
a free-standing kitchen unit with a worktop, allowing access from all sides.
3 Anatomy a detached portion of tissue or group of cells. Compare with islet.
This is not an island. This is a roundabout.
(http://s0.geograph.org.uk/photos/05/23/052307_70faba8f.jpg)
Note the lack of water.
But wait, I hear you say. The OED says an island can be a traffic island, so surely it's ok to call a roundabout an island?
Nope.
This is a traffic island:
(http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/02/98/03/2980325_4e9da227.jpg)
Let's see what the dictionary says about 'traffic islands' -
Definition of traffic island
noun
a small raised area in the middle of a road which provides a safe place for pedestrians to stand and marks a division between two opposing streams of traffic.
I rest my case :-X
Alan doesn't believe they are islands either, he just drives straight over the middle of them.
Quote from: Clock'd 0Ne on November 27, 2012, 23:39:23 PM
Alan doesn't believe they are islands either, he just drives straight over the middle of them.
Being in that van one time with him driving with a few of us in the back..... Yep, I can believe this statement! :worried:
Quote from: Clock'd 0Ne on November 27, 2012, 23:39:23 PMAlan doesn't believe they are islands either, he just drives straight over the middle of them.
just the painted ones when there's no-one around
same for speed bumps... if it's a 30zone you should be able to do 30 over them, so I do
Quote from: knighty on November 28, 2012, 08:03:06 AM
Quote from: Clock'd 0Ne on November 27, 2012, 23:39:23 PMAlan doesn't believe they are islands either, he just drives straight over the middle of them.
just the painted ones when there's no-one around
same for speed bumps... if it's a 30zone you should be able to do 30 over them, so I do
LoL
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fOQAqNj3vV4/T6Q29-s8EKI/AAAAAAAAczE/qJvRWtENeX8/s1600/clap.gif)
just realised
Quoteshould be able to do 30 over them, so I do
should have said
Quoteshould be able to do 30 over them, so I will in 9 months when I get my licence back
:ptu:
Quote from: Pete on November 27, 2012, 22:59:35 PM
Note the lack of roads and cars.
If you look closely that island does have a road around it. The UK mainland is an island and has many millions of cars as well as many roads. Ireland is also an island and also has millions of cars and lots of roads too. Therefore this argument is false...
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Let's see what the dictionary says about 'traffic islands' -
Definition of traffic island
noun
a small raised area in the middle of a road which provides a safe place for pedestrians to stand and marks a division between two opposing streams of traffic.
But a roundabout has traffic going in two opposing streams, one on each side. Some of them have underpasses that allow pedestrians access to the middle. Therefore these meet the criteria.
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I rest my case :-X
Your case is found lacking evidence and is therefore dismissed :P
Quote from: Serious on November 28, 2012, 13:25:10 PM
Quote from: Pete on November 27, 2012, 22:59:35 PM
Definition of traffic island
noun
a small raised area in the middle of a road which provides a safe place for pedestrians to stand and marks a division between two opposing streams of traffic.
But a roundabout has traffic going in two opposing streams, one on each side. Some of them have underpasses that allow pedestrians access to the middle. Therefore these meet the criteria.
a roundabout is a big circle... it only has one side* - there aren't two opposing streams just a single stream of traffic you join when you exit a junction onto the roundabout.
(*if we're taking a side to be any line curved or straight....)
Given the general state of the roads around here this week, I'm pretty confident there are some roundabouts surrounded by water around somewhere...
Quote from: Dave on November 29, 2012, 21:03:18 PM
Quote from: Serious on November 28, 2012, 13:25:10 PM
Quote from: Pete on November 27, 2012, 22:59:35 PM
Definition of traffic island
noun
a small raised area in the middle of a road which provides a safe place for pedestrians to stand and marks a division between two opposing streams of traffic.
But a roundabout has traffic going in two opposing streams, one on each side. Some of them have underpasses that allow pedestrians access to the middle. Therefore these meet the criteria.
a roundabout is a big circle... it only has one side* - there aren't two opposing streams just a single stream of traffic you join when you exit a junction onto the roundabout.
(*if we're taking a side to be any line curved or straight....)
Not far from me there is a roundabout which is considerably elongated. There are many roundabouts which are not actually round. Being circular is not a requirement of a roundabout.
Quote from: Serious on December 03, 2012, 14:43:07 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 29, 2012, 21:03:18 PM
Quote from: Serious on November 28, 2012, 13:25:10 PM
Quote from: Pete on November 27, 2012, 22:59:35 PM
Definition of traffic island
noun
a small raised area in the middle of a road which provides a safe place for pedestrians to stand and marks a division between two opposing streams of traffic.
But a roundabout has traffic going in two opposing streams, one on each side. Some of them have underpasses that allow pedestrians access to the middle. Therefore these meet the criteria.
a roundabout is a big circle... it only has one side* - there aren't two opposing streams just a single stream of traffic you join when you exit a junction onto the roundabout.
(*if we're taking a side to be any line curved or straight....)
Not far from me there is a roundabout which is considerably elongated. There are many roundabouts which are not actually round. Being circular is not a requirement of a roundabout.
They generally are circular but its not really that relevant if some aren't, you can still consider the flow of traffic around the roundabout to be circular regardless of any elongation. You're generally going to have >2 exits to any roundabout (else the roundabout wouldn't be needed) & there aren't two opposing streams of traffic....
Here's one to argue.
Two lanes leading to a roundabout. 3 exits, one leads back the way you came, all roads exiting the round about are 1 lane.
What lane should I be in to go straight over (2nd exit)?
left
or I would anyway
one roundabout next to where my grandmother used to live...
1 road leads up to it... and then splits into 4 at the roundabout
2 exits and back the way you came (can go straight on, right, or back the way you came)
there's more lanes into it than there are out of it ?
You should be in the right hand lane. It's a myth about clock faces.
If the road your on has two lanes and they are unmarked with a roundabout with only 2 real exits (the other third one being back the way you came) the left lane is a left turn only lane or rather its for traffic leaving the first exit. It doesn't require markings as the roundabout sign and structure is sufficient notice.
The only time it would be different is if the left lane was marked otherwise, which would only typically happen if there were two lanes straight on.
The amount of folk who drive around reciting the 12 o'clock thing as if its right... It's scary. Guess its like the i before e myth.
Quote from: knighty on December 04, 2012, 00:13:48 AM
left
or I would anyway
one roundabout next to where my grandmother used to live...
1 road leads up to it... and then splits into 4 at the roundabout
2 exits and back the way you came (can go straight on, right, or back the way you came)
there's more lanes into it than there are out of it ?
I think you misunderstood my description. The roundabout has 3 exits.
Left, straight on or back down the road you just came up.
I would be in the right lane, it's simple when there are only 2 exits. A lane for each exit.
If there was another exit at the 9o'clock point then I would doi it completely different.
Left lane for, left exit and straight over. Right lane for 9o'clock exit.
It's easy to follow the logic if you look at how large roundabouts are structured like big ones next to motorway sliproads, where the lanes round the roundabout arc to the left to put you in position for the next exit. The same should be true of any roundabout, 1st exit = left lane, any other = right lane then move over gradually to left lane after the penultimate exit to the one you want. There are plenty of real roundabouts where this is way too impractical though like some where there are traffic lights and busy traffic making it very hard to cut in when you need to, I don't think it really matters too much either way so long as you indicate properly well in advance and aren't a knob about moving across. The amount of people that don't indicate at all on roundabouts is scary.
I agree, signal when leaving roundabout or changing lane inside it, which lane is best depends on traffic and should be obvious enough.
Quote from: bear on December 04, 2012, 12:21:11 PM
I agree, signal when leaving roundabout or changing lane inside it, which lane is best depends on traffic and should be obvious enough.
On large roundabouts I'll only signal when I'm leaving the roundabout (or going around it) I won't signal individual lane changes as I go around as Anything else runs the risk of someone mistaking a lane change for an exit and driving onto the roundabout in front of you causing an accident.
Quote from: M3ta7h3ad on December 04, 2012, 20:34:24 PM
Quote from: bear on December 04, 2012, 12:21:11 PM
I agree, signal when leaving roundabout or changing lane inside it, which lane is best depends on traffic and should be obvious enough.
On large roundabouts I'll only signal when I'm leaving the roundabout (or going around it) I won't signal individual lane changes as I go around as Anything else runs the risk of someone mistaking a lane change for an exit and driving onto the roundabout in front of you causing an accident.
Depends on the size and layout of the roundabout if I give signal at lane change.
Quote from: M3ta7h3ad on December 04, 2012, 20:34:24 PM
Quote from: bear on December 04, 2012, 12:21:11 PM
I agree, signal when leaving roundabout or changing lane inside it, which lane is best depends on traffic and should be obvious enough.
On large roundabouts I'll only signal when I'm leaving the roundabout (or going around it) I won't signal individual lane changes as I go around as Anything else runs the risk of someone mistaking a lane change for an exit and driving onto the roundabout in front of you causing an accident.
In most cases I've found thats far more likely the other way around, people pulling out on each other assuming they're coming off at the next exit because they haven't bothered indicating right to go round. Does depend on the roundabout size though as bear said.
Quote from: Clock'd 0Ne on December 04, 2012, 22:40:48 PM
Quote from: M3ta7h3ad on December 04, 2012, 20:34:24 PM
Quote from: bear on December 04, 2012, 12:21:11 PM
I agree, signal when leaving roundabout or changing lane inside it, which lane is best depends on traffic and should be obvious enough.
On large roundabouts I'll only signal when I'm leaving the roundabout (or going around it) I won't signal individual lane changes as I go around as Anything else runs the risk of someone mistaking a lane change for an exit and driving onto the roundabout in front of you causing an accident.
In most cases I've found thats far more likely the other way around, people pulling out on each other assuming they're coming off at the next exit because they haven't bothered indicating right to go round. Does depend on the roundabout size though as bear said.
"Or going around it".
Ah, gotcha :thumbup:
In sweden it is crazy the "traffic board" saying signal before entering to show if left or right (in sweden right would be next exit and left around)and than signal when leaving also signal at all lanechanges roundabout or not. The Police say signal when leaving or changing lanes nothing more.