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Perception
on: September 14, 2009, 07:12:40 AM

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Re:Perception
Reply #1 on: September 14, 2009, 10:36:25 AM
I switched off half way when I felt it turned into patronising garbage and was tired of hearing "is in your brain".

I mean honestly, our sight really is no different to how a digital camera works in many ways, just because our brain is like a giant computer converting and storing the data does not mean that our reality is fake or "made of deceptions" as the video put it. How else would it work? We corroborate our reality with every other living being on the planet in what they also see, touch, hear and smell!

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Reply #2 on: September 14, 2009, 13:12:19 PM
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I switched off half way when I felt it turned into patronising garbage and was tired of hearing "is in your brain".

I mean honestly, our sight really is no different to how a digital camera works in many ways, just because our brain is like a giant computer converting and storing the data does not mean that our reality is fake or "made of deceptions" as the video put it. How else would it work? We corroborate our reality with every other living being on the planet in what they also see, touch, hear and smell!


I agree it was a bit tedious and the point "who is the watcher"  is quite old ( the greeks ord older). By corroboration
we know better. It was an old story told by modern pictures and examples like computers etc.

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Reply #3 on: September 15, 2009, 01:53:31 AM
This is hilarious. :lol:

TBH the guys entire YT channel smacks of a Raëlian cult member (somehow these people manage to be even more bat-sh*t insane than Scientologists), these videos are just atypical cult propaganda.

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Reply #4 on: September 15, 2009, 06:52:04 AM
To me it sounds more like Matrix like :)

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This is hilarious. :lol:

TBH the guys entire YT channel smacks of a Raëlian cult member (somehow these people manage to be even more bat-sh*t insane than Scientologists), these videos are just atypical cult propaganda.

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Reply #5 on: September 16, 2009, 17:50:31 PM
Just dont end up like this guy... :lol:
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Reply #6 on: September 16, 2009, 19:04:10 PM
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I mean honestly, our sight really is no different to how a digital camera works in many ways, just because our brain is like a giant computer converting and storing the data does not mean that our reality is fake or "made of deceptions" as the video put it. How else would it work? We corroborate our reality with every other living being on the planet in what they also see, touch, hear and smell!


Err, your eye is not really much different from a digital camera, at least a webcam, thats only part of the story. Your brain does a hell of a lot of post processing to get the image to look right. Colour correction, distance, item seperation, identification, and lots of other things happen before you see what you think you see.

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Reply #7 on: September 16, 2009, 19:16:27 PM
My point is the eyeball is just a lens. The brain is the camera body.

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Reply #8 on: September 16, 2009, 21:38:39 PM
The front of the eye is the lens, on the back is an array of receptors, these are effectively the same as a digital camera has. From there a cable, the optic nerves, passes the data on to the processing areas of the brain. Effectively the eye can be thought of as the equivalent of a webcam or security camera. Its rather more complex than you think.

They are playing a bit fast with the facts though. What they are effectively saying is if you were born into a matrix like virtual world would you be able to tell? answer is probably no. The use of this in the conclusion is dodgy, although one of the two Schroedingers cat projections does seem to make an observer mandatory (either there is a single universe with an observer or there are a near infinity of universes.)

But just because you cant prove the material world exists doesnt mean it isnt there. This question of what really exists has been argued over for at least a thousand years, it isnt going to give up overnight. Believe me some of the best minds have thought about it and argued over it.

When you look at the reality of matter though the actual amount of real material is tiny, most of it is empty space.


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Reply #9 on: September 16, 2009, 21:46:55 PM
Jesus it was just an analogy :rofl:

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Reply #10 on: September 16, 2009, 22:08:27 PM
^edited with more info, I just watched the damn stupid vid :lol:

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Reply #11 on: September 16, 2009, 22:29:50 PM
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My point is the eyeball is just a lens. The brain is the camera body.

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These results suggest that movement patterns in the world provide some of the most salient clues about its constituent objects. The brain is programmed to use similarity of dynamics to infer which regions constitute objects, says Sinha. The significance of motion may go even further, the team believes. It may serve to "bootstrap" the learning of rules and heuristics by which the brain comes to be able to parse static images. The idea is simple but far-reaching. Starting from an initial capability of grouping via motion, the brain begins to notice that similar dynamics are correlated with similarity in other region attributes such as orientation and color. These attributes can then be used even in the absence of motion.

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Reply #12 on: September 16, 2009, 22:30:32 PM
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I just watched the damn stupid vid :lol:

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