http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=IPCC+emails&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
Hopefully this means checkout assistants will stop asking if I want a carrier bag for my weekly shopping.
TBH this doesnt really prove anything other than some people decided to fix figures and ignore other people to get their political agenda across.
It doesnt prove or disprove any truth about global warming other than that this group of idiots were rigging results.
:stupid:
Well never get any real research done on the subject because its all politically motivated now. The amount of funding available for environmental science related fields has increased a hundred fold since global warming entered the public consciousness and the vast majority of people who work in the field depend on this manipulation of figures to "prove" man-made global warming in order to get their salaries. If they dont lie, their families dont eat and they are unemployed.
What a way to conduct supposedly unbiased and empirical research.
Quote from: Chris H:stupid:
What a way to conduct supposedly unbiased and empirical research.
it is also an excuse to tax us ridiculous amounts for everything.
Quote from: SweensterTBH this doesnt really prove anything other than some people decided to fix figures and ignore other people to get their political agenda across.
It doesnt prove or disprove any truth about global warming other than that this group of idiots were rigging results.
it will prove they are all lying c**ts, put em out of a job & unlikely to get a job elswhere because of their reputation.
1. Man made pollution harms the earth - We know and it is a good idea to reduce polution etc.
2. It is fing stupid and just a means to money grab off the public with all these schemes to charge/tax the average Joe Blogs and his home for pollution. My TV is harming the planet you say?
3. A good article I read the other day showed how 13 big oil tanker ships going around the sea create much more crap then a number of countries put together.
4. Big companies and industry do more harm then the Joe public yet they do not or are not forced or not planned to be pushed to improve things as much. In fact many governments will subsidise their taxes and costs in regard to carbon footprint reductions etc. I mean WTF!
5. Fact: World cools and Warms up, it has cycles and people out there have laid out these and how the Earth is in one of its Warm Cycles. In a few years it will cool. (What is the bet that the fast cooling of the earth will be down to us polluting it!)
6. A lot of people are realising they can use this as an excuse to raise prices of their items, charge more for fuel, A means to tax you and get more money off you......
7. To make some of the above viable of course they are going to fudge the figures, Scientists in many areas have been doing that for years.
Yeah we need to reduce what we put out, but all the bollux of killing the planet is stupid in my opinion. What is worse is they are bloody blaming me and you! F OFF!!!!!!!
Yep, its the fact that they try to lay the blame at the average joe on the street when there are a million and one steps that can be taken at a corporate level to sort things out. For example if every office turned off their bloody computers and shut the lights off when they werent in the building it would save a huge amount of energy.
make cows extinct
cant do that, need beef leather and milk
Quote from: Binary Shadowcant do that, need beef leather and milk
Theres a use for chavs. Would get rid of the over population problems too :yarr:
Quote from: Chris HYep, its the fact that they try to lay the blame at the average joe on the street when there are a million and one steps that can be taken at a corporate level to sort things out. For example if every office turned off their bloody computers and shut the lights off when they werent in the building it would save a huge amount of energy.
Hell yeah I bet if you took 5 large companies in a city and the power use overnight I bet you still would be more then many more times that in terms of the households in the area.
Same with Recycling, we all need to do it but bloody hell, large companies should be doing much more then they are now yet we are the ones labelled with the blame.
Quote from: Eggtasticohttp://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=IPCC+emails&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
Oh And Egg, since your one of the guys that always moans about this sort of thing..
aferall?
Even if anthropocentric models for climate change turn out to be wrong or faulty, I still think that moving away from carbon-based energy sources to a hybrid nuclear/renewables paradigm can only be a good and worthwhile goal for our entire species, if not our planet.
Quote from: skidzillafor our entire species, if not our planet.
One and the same thing surely? i dont see any other species generating power
Quote from: neXusQuote from: Eggtasticohttp://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=IPCC+emails&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
Oh And Egg, since your one of the guys that always moans about this sort of thing..
aferall?
instructions for this post pls
Quote from: skidzillaEven if anthropocentric models for climate change turn out to be wrong or faulty, I still think that moving away from carbon-based energy sources to a hybrid nuclear/renewables paradigm can only be a good and worthwhile goal for our entire species, if not our planet.
I dont think anyone with a modicum of common sense can deny that at all. I think there is a happy middle ground between the feckless types who believe all of the statistics and figures about the supposed damage we are doing to the planet and the idiots who couldnt give a damn at all.
Quote from: Eggtasticohttp://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=IPCC+emails&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
Unless you know WTF they are talking about then it could be anything, how about it being in a simulation that they know is producing the wrong figures?
It certainly does not state that this data was released or used to enhance global warming.
Quote from: Binary ShadowQuote from: skidzillafor our entire species, if not our planet.
One and the same thing surely? i dont see any other species generating power
1. I was referencing more to the prospect of another sapient species evolving* to replace us, once Homo Sapiens is extinct due to failing/being unable to adapt to the altered environmental conditions. (Remember that in geological time - 4.5 billion years, we are less than a blip).
2. But then we might also develop the necessary technology to colonise elsewhere in our solar system, but still leave the earth mostly uninhabitable. Humanity would survive; but at a tremendous cost.
*
Im betting on
the Kangaroos. :P
Quote from: SeriousQuote from: Eggtasticohttp://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=IPCC+emails&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
Unless you know WTF they are talking about then it could be anything, how about it being in a simulation that they know is producing the wrong figures?
It certainly does not state that this data was released or used to enhance global warming.
go download & read
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_emails,_data,_models,_1996-2009
This is interesting though
http://www.cleantech.com/news/5128/osmotic-power-plant-makes-royal-deb
Quote from: Binary Shadowcant do that, need beef leather and milk
And cheese, for the love of God dont forget the cheese.
save the planet always makes me laugh as a slogan.
save the fuzy wuzzy animimals makes slightly more sense, but what its really all about is save the human race.
The planet will outlast us by a few billion years at least, mother earth will shrug us off like you might a mild cold.
Quote from: MongooseThe planet will outlast us by a few billion years at least
the sun is going to go supernova in ~50million years !
even if the sh*t hits the fan, floods, disease, famine, no power etc. etc. etc..... therell still be plenty of people alive in nuclear bunkers etc...
(governments, army, paranoid rich people etc...)
Quote from: bearThis is interesting though
http://www.cleantech.com/news/5128/osmotic-power-plant-makes-royal-deb
OMGWTFBBQ !!!
youre not going to believe me here
and youre going to think Im the piss
but I thought of that years ago, no idea at all how to make it.... but in a school physics lesson we had to think of a way to power a small island with renewable power.... and I thought of that.
hey... maybe some other people thought of it before that.... and i had/have no idea how to make it work.... but still.... i should have patented that sh*t !
What do they plan to do with the brackish water that the plant will produce? Not trying to pick flaws in it or anything, am guessing that something like that would have been thought through, even if they just plan on pumping it out to sea...
Quote from: Binary ShadowQuote from: skidzillafor our entire species, if not our planet.
One and the same thing surely? i dont see any other species generating power
"The planet is fine. PEOPLE are f**ked" - George Carlin
Quote from: zpyderWhat do they plan to do with the brackish water that the plant will produce? Not trying to pick flaws in it or anything, am guessing that something like that would have been thought through, even if they just plan on pumping it out to sea...
Where would it end up anyway? River water eventually mixes with sea water in these areas naturally.
Quote from: SeriousQuote from: zpyderWhat do they plan to do with the brackish water that the plant will produce? Not trying to pick flaws in it or anything, am guessing that something like that would have been thought through, even if they just plan on pumping it out to sea...
Where would it end up anyway? River water eventually mixes with sea water in these areas naturally.
Exactly, sweetwater poors out into the saltwater all the time.
Aye, I did think about that as I was writing the question, and pondered scrapping the post. But then I wondered WHERE they would pump out the water. Its unlikely they will pipe it to the rivers fresh/saltwater interface and release it at a rate so as to not affect the salinity at all. As a result Id imagine that there will still be local effects to the benthic fauna around the pipe outlet which would have knock-on effects to larger animals. Nothing severe but its still worth a pause for thought. It likely would be as bad as the myriad number of sewage outlets that pump out to sea. In the scheme of things its no biggy, but it all depends on placement and saturation. Mediterranean islands arent the best of places to go swimming off of the coast...
As I understand it the osmotic power is only used to push the water up to a hight so it can be used to drive turbines before it ends up in the sea as it wouldve done anway so I do not think it will do any harm.
For new Nuclear reactors, this is what we should be building:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWUeBSoEnRk
Quote from: skidzillaFor new Nuclear reactors, this is what we should be building:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWUeBSoEnRk
intresting vid :)
Quote from: knightyQuote from: MongooseThe planet will outlast us by a few billion years at least
the sun is going to go supernova in ~50million years !
even if the sh*t hits the fan, floods, disease, famine, no power etc. etc. etc..... therell still be plenty of people alive in nuclear bunkers etc...
(governments, army, paranoid rich people etc...)
the sun is not going to go supernova, its a small main sequence star which will burn in its present state for ~5 billion more years before running out of Hydrogen, becoming a red giant and engulfing the innermost planets. Once its out of the heavier elements, it will die as a white dwarf, its too small to go nova/supernova.
If were still here in 5 billion years, Ill eat my hat.
Quote from: skidzillaFor new Nuclear reactors, this is what we should be building:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWUeBSoEnRk
it certainly is, not just for us but it would solve overnight the problems of countries like Iran who say they want a power reactor while the West suspects they actually want a bomb.
If they really want a power reactor and not a bomb, then Thorium will do them just fine. Maybe there is a good reason were not using it, but if there is I dont know what it is.
and I thought Nick Griffin was 1 trick pony....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8385126.stm
And why shouldnt Iran have nuclear power and/or nuclear weapons? Give me one valid reason why not?
Quote from: EagleAnd why shouldnt Iran have nuclear power and/or nuclear weapons? Give me one valid reason why not?
because they might bomb the sh*t out of people ?
How about North Korea ? India? Pakistan ?
No only good christians should have right to bomb the sh*t out of people ? US + big corps + oil want the right to rule, nobody else should be a threat.
oh I totally agree....
but from a selfish point of view, Id rather be on the side with them, then the side without
and to be fair, I think were less likely to nuke someone than Iran etc...
even if the reason they might nuke us is all our fault...
Yes, nobody should have nukes if things were right.
Quote from: EagleAnd why shouldnt Iran have nuclear power and/or nuclear weapons? Give me one valid reason why not?
The Iranians claim they want a power station. They have never asked for a bomb.
The West has never to my knowledge objected to their having a power station per se, just to the posibility of making a bomb from enriched uranium or waste plutonium from a power reactor.
Shockingly enough, no one seems over keen to give anyone who doesnt already have them nuclear weapons.
A technology exists whereby Iran can be given the ability to make a power station without confering the ability to make a bomb. If that interpretation of Thorium reactor technology is correct, and I believe it is, then the obvious answer for western governments is to offer Iran a Thorium reactor.
Quote from: zpyderQuote from: Binary Shadowcant do that, need beef leather and milk
Theres a use for chavs. Would get rid of the over population problems too :yarr:
Ulghh, yuck, I dont want to eat a dirty chav.
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Should be 100% likely, it all depends on which scientists you are talking about, the ones who say we are creating a problem or the ones who are saying there is no problem.
Either way global warming is a real issue, the Arctic and Antarctic are defrosting, the glaciers are retreating. There is no way to fake that easily. The only real question is are we causing it or is it a natural phenomenon.
Really these polls do not represent an accurate picture of what public opinion is. In America there are occasional polls on abortion, which always come up heavily against. The reason for this is simple, the Christian groups are highly integrated and well linked. One person sees the poll and votes, then phones up loads of their Christian friends who also vote and phone more people. The avalanche of voting quickly overwhelms the actual vote.
No sh*t >< I thought a bit of light hearted joking was in order. Cant blame the scientists for being 120% likely ><
Come on, if they cant fake 200% likely they arent really trying, are they? :heehaw: