Reference typing speed. The problem is if you dont trust the auto correct youll spend ages going back and correcting. Im doing this now in McDs and took about 30 seconds.

Quote from: MarkIt still cannot do what a blackberry does.

Where are the mobex features? A business device is becoming obsolete if it cannot act as a mobex

It is not a sensible business device. How can I use it as a 3G modem when travelling?

Apple do not have a monopoly on voip. In fact, theyre nothing in the world of voip. Apple and google are absolute smallfry - in fact - totally and utterly insignificant - when compared to the real players in the world of voip - avaya, cisco and the likes of broadsoft. Its not what google or apple do that will decide the future of voip - it will be companies like Broadsoft who actually build the infrastructure.

Im not saying iphones are anywhere in the same league as a blackberry for business use

Technically apple and google arent going to be small fry in the world of VoIP for long.  Google is purchasing global wireless coverage and google and apple share board of directors.  If and when they have global wireless coverage theres no other system on the planet that can compete.  Cisco etc havent bought the bandwidth frequency spectrum thats being released from the analogue-> digital switchover.  Google has.  Which by extension means apple has.

QuoteBusiness calls and data transfer are already free in the internal networks of large companies, and large hospitals - with wireless from trapeze (And the inferior cisco offerings) and handset providers such as ascomi. Were already rolling out systems that cover large area building sites - a few miles square. Single PoE n radios are also about to be released

I deal with enterprise installs on a daily basis, and I have never even seen an iphone. They are, as you say - toys - when compared to the business focussed devices. Very nice toys Im sure, but I dont see them getting much enterprise penetration any time soon. They have to bend to standards - not the other way round.

Indeed they are.  All our internal and international calls are net routed.  But I havent seen everyday mobiles of employees switching onto that network when they arrive in the office outside of demonstrations or using special phones so far.  I think the iPhone is just a toy/phone.  With a free to use wireless network coverage they suddenly change.  It just depends what google is planning on doing with the massive amounts of wireless bandwidth theyre purchasing across the entire planet.  I can only think of a telecomms network...

the gsm to voip switchover type systems are getting cheap now, and we (as a small company) have deployted maybe 18-20 such systems in ireland for organisations of more than 500 people. The bigger guys are doing a lot more - but poorly, but thats a different matter!

google and apple may well buy up airspace, but they still have to use broadsoft or ciscos gear to deliver their service. Theyre not recognised as major players in sip applianes, development, gateways and exchanges. Broadsoft and cisco are.

They may well establish their handset as a device to make the calls on, but theyre certainly not going to be providing the platform to run it on. They dont have anything like what trapeze have in the way of wireless devices, mobility exchanges or backend kit - Im not sure if they have anything?

Getting the world to move from established platform vendors like broadsoft and cisco is going to take a long, long time - if it were even possible. Most european telcos are currently installing broadsoft systems to deliver their VoIP, and the majority of routers in the world are cisco. Gapple (I like that) are 3 years too late.

I wouldnt fancy the idea of SIP with advertisements shoehorned in either, or an open source protocol being bastardised, rebranded and ruined.

tell you one thing though, it sure does stir up a lot of conversations

Id honestly like to see Cisco team up and provide all the infrastructure.  Google to provide the bandwidth for wireless access at a service cost and apple to provide free handsets and the media streaming services.

The monthly phone contract pays googles bandwidth costs and the apple hardware, cisco get the routing rights to MPEG7 streamed media content, apple get the itunes media distibution links they want so badly and then the advertisers pay cisco and google for streams to be routed their way.  Web 3.0 is going to have to be swarm based and Cisco et al. have to be the essential part of making dynamic networks actually happen.  Apple make nice hardware and interfaces and google make great search and structuring systems (plus are going to own the andwidth).  The three together...

Didnt one of the Cisco rivals step out the way of google and apple buying up the bandwidth a few months back?  That might be a hint theyve already got a partner in mind and some unspoken agreement...

I dont know why a thread on application development for the IPhone has suddenly turned to a discussion of its potential as a business tool.

Id say there is a huge market of young people out there to be targeted, perhaps not with this first release of the Iphone but probably with future releases.

I wouldnt be comparing this with blackberrys but more with nokias etc.. (yes I know its not actually all that great technology wise but the user interface looks pretty cool and apple is fairly hot on design etc..)

the apple adverts feature browsing facebook & the guardian website so I dont believe that marketing this thing as a business tool is their primary aim. Most people I know get given a blackberry by their company but go out and buy a nokia, motorola etc.. as their own phone. Im sure apple could target business users in time or increase the features on future iphones in order to make it a viable business tool but, in general, targeting business users doesnt seem to be the sort of thing apple tend to do with thier products.

for example aside from advertising agencies/so called creative types etc.. how many companies use macs etc..

Quote from: DaveI dont know why a thread on application development for the IPhone has suddenly turned to a discussion of its potential as a business tool.

Because they released more than the SDK and a load of business tools have emerged

Quote from: DaveI dont know why a thread on application development for the IPhone has suddenly turned to a discussion of its potential as a business tool.

Whoops, someone only skimmed the thread, lol

SteveF is right, while this is not perfect it is a step in the right direction and I like the ideas of google and cisco etc and totally correct that the mobile infustructure now needs to grow up from calls, txts and half stab at decent net and mature into something more now and the devices and the software on those devices are starting to mature.

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Quote from: DaveI dont know why a thread on application development for the IPhone has suddenly turned to a discussion of its potential as a business tool.

Whoops, someone only skimmed the thread, lol

where in the OP was the mention of this as a business tool?

despite people developing some business apps for it I really cant see them focusing on business users as the main market for the phone

it is being marketed as some fashionable must have accessory not the latest evolution of a mobile e-mail/personal organizer thingie

Quotewhere in the OP was the mention of this as a business tool?

Quotehttp://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/iphoneroadmap/

And their Enterpise costs a lot of money
http://www.apple.com/iphone/enterprise/apply/

From This and the video Which talks about its use in business etc and the info on the site about the enterprise and the more expensive pack and use in business

Quotedespite people developing some business apps for it I really cant see them focusing on business users as the main market for the phone

Video of the apple little conference says otherwise m8

Quoteit is being marketed as some fashionable must have accessory not the latest evolution of a mobile e-mail/personal organizer thingie

Hence the changes announced from apple in this regard shown in the links ^^

 :whoops:  maybe I should have clicked on the links

I still dont see this as a business tool at the moment tbh...

a lot of people are so used to blackberrys that they wont change - if the director of XYZ dept requires a blackberry then you can be pretty sure theyll get one - IT depts dont really have much clout in business

Quote from: Dave:whoops:  maybe I should have clicked on the links

I still dont see this as a business tool at the moment tbh...

a lot of people are so used to blackberrys that they wont change - if the director of XYZ dept requires a blackberry then you can be pretty sure theyll get one - IT depts dont really have much clout in business

That is what we all saying m8 but its a means to an end and a change in direction for the better from apple so hopefully they will sort the hardware element with other revisions to create a better phone to cater with the direction of the software, hence the bbc link as well m8

*Polishes Shiny New Sig*

Im nominating it for "Quote Of The Month"