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Title: Why do people crash at the first hint of ice?
Post by: Rivkid on December 01, 2009, 09:11:58 AM
Seriously - I had to 3 point turn with the rest of the A49 this morning because there had been 2/3 large crashes on the A5/M54 and a few more just up the M54 toward Telford. Radio Shropper saying that "due to surprising icey conditions".... Its not even slippery out there - and considering the white over grass and the frozen cars it shouldnt have been surprising either! I had to turn back and drive to work through the countryside and little villages and it still wasnt slippery even on the back roads! I also have 4 of the worst tyres available so Ive not got any advantage. Really dont understand it - lemming tuesday?

Title: Re:Why do people crash at the first hint of ice?
Post by: shofty on December 01, 2009, 09:29:12 AM
lack of decent driving skills in this country. lack of enforced advanced driving courses? lack of salt on the roads? there isnt any that i can see in york. mind the council are too busy telling the river to go down.

Matt
Title: Re:Why do people crash at the first hint of ice?
Post by: zpyder on December 01, 2009, 09:36:00 AM
I noticed out the window for the first time the frosting on the grass for this year down on the south coast.

Id hope it isnt the general public crashing, rather the dickwads that drive like loons speeding excessively, tailgating and weaving etc not actually compensating for the ever so slightly more slippery conditions at the moment.

Would have thought with the weather weve been having the last few weeks its more than likely there would be patches of standing water that have frozen over in places, most roads wouldnt have been gritted yet after the rain/wind? The patches dont need to be all over, you just need the one to skid out...
Title: Re:Why do people crash at the first hint of ice?
Post by: Quixoticish on December 01, 2009, 10:40:04 AM
Quote from: bytejunkielack of decent driving skills in this country. lack of enforced advanced driving courses? lack of salt on the roads? there isnt any that i can see in york. mind the council are too busy telling the river to go down.

Matt

I have noticed that on a really icy day every bloody road out of York can get completely blocked for ages because of idiots not driving to the conditions properly. My better half once spent four hours getting out to the ring road and back, absolute nightmare.

The river is pretty epic at the moment, isnt it?
Title: Re:Why do people crash at the first hint of ice?
Post by: Mongoose on December 01, 2009, 12:00:21 PM
numptys in 4x4s who think 4 wheel drive somehow makes them immune to all bad driving conditions dont help.

Title: Re:Why do people crash at the first hint of ice?
Post by: soopahfly on December 01, 2009, 12:42:40 PM
When we had bad snow beginning of this year, I had my 4x4.

Fortunately, I know how to drive one (Former member of P&D Landrover club)
Id be out pulling stuck/crashed drivers and when I was commuting Id find the steepest route back to my house to avoid the traffic, not difficult as I live on the top of a big ass hill.
Title: Re:Why do people crash at the first hint of ice?
Post by: Mongoose on December 01, 2009, 12:47:25 PM
dont get me wrong if you know how to handle one and what their limitations are a decent 4x4 will get you through in any weather Ive seen in this country.
Id have traded my car for a Defender in a heartbeat in the snow last winter (I learned to drive in a Series III off-road so I know what Im doing better than the average joe, though probably not up to your standard)


Its the people who seem to believe a Toyota Rav4 is capable of 90mph in snow and ice who cause problems.
Title: Re:Why do people crash at the first hint of ice?
Post by: soopahfly on December 01, 2009, 13:01:20 PM
Unfortunately I dont have any pics of my 1st Landy

It started life a a Series 1, which got stripped.  Couple of bucket seats, roll cage, cut off switches and a double skin petrol tank.  2 litre petrol I think the stock engine was.

Rear axle dropped off on the way home one day, so we stuck a Series III axle on there.  Then came the Rover V8 and pulled out the middle of the nose to fit.

It was painted Yellow, with a blue roll cage and had my dads tattoo painted in the bonnet.
Title: Why do people crash at the first hint of ice?
Post by: Edd on December 01, 2009, 15:53:02 PM
The inbreeding in shropshire has caused the "good driver" gene to be almost non-existant.
Title: Why do people crash at the first hint of ice?
Post by: bear on December 01, 2009, 16:52:48 PM
In sweden it is due to bad memory people seem to forget that it gets slippery in the winter time.
Title: Why do people crash at the first hint of ice?
Post by: Rivkid on December 01, 2009, 17:01:18 PM
Quote from: EddThe inbreeding in shropshire has caused the "good driver" gene to be almost non-existant.

cheeky bastard....
Title: Re:Why do people crash at the first hint of ice?
Post by: zpyder on December 01, 2009, 17:02:33 PM
I nearly fell over on the driveway, though I dunno whether this was frost or the layer of slimey moss thats built up there ><
Title: Re:Why do people crash at the first hint of ice?
Post by: Mongoose on December 01, 2009, 17:49:22 PM
Quote from: soopahflyUnfortunately I dont have any pics of my 1st Landy

It started life a a Series 1, which got stripped.  Couple of bucket seats, roll cage, cut off switches and a double skin petrol tank.  2 litre petrol I think the stock engine was.

Rear axle dropped off on the way home one day, so we stuck a Series III axle on there.  Then came the Rover V8 and pulled out the middle of the nose to fit.

It was painted Yellow, with a blue roll cage and had my dads tattoo painted in the bonnet.

nice :)

my Dads SIII was an air-portable, originally 2.25L petrol but by the time I drove it had a 2.5L NA diesel out of a 90 and Range Rover diffs to up the final drive ratio a little. It was a little finiky in that the gear box was on the way out so you had to hold the stick to keep it in second, but a fantastic machine. The entry/departure angles on the air portable SIII are nuts.

Mastering clutch control for the first time in a Series III was a baptism of fire, but Ive never had a problem driving anything since.
Title: Why do people crash at the first hint of ice?
Post by: Sam on December 01, 2009, 22:41:32 PM
You should see the bad driving here. Doesnt help that the test involves driving around a block.
Title: Why do people crash at the first hint of ice?
Post by: knighty on December 01, 2009, 23:11:36 PM
Quote from: SamYou should see the bad driving here. Doesnt help that the test involves driving around a block.

its bad enough here


did I tell you about my mate tho wrote of his MG TF going around a roundabout in the ice ?

fool didnt know how to drive rwd



:p
Title: Re:Why do people crash at the first hint of ice?
Post by: Mark on December 01, 2009, 23:22:57 PM
I was in hamsterley for a few days there at her parents, and there was a wee bit of snow on Monday.

There were two cars in the hedge on the hill coming up into the village from the road that goes to darlo (the a68?)
Title: Why do people crash at the first hint of ice?
Post by: Ceathreamhnan on December 01, 2009, 23:46:34 PM
Quote from: Rivkid. Really dont understand it - lemming tuesday?
Its because people stand on the brakes at the first hint of something going wrong. And then of course it gets worse. Its the same here in heavy rain or snow.
It can be rewarding though to travel the M9 on a wet morning and see several 3 series M-coupes stacked into the central res after hitting a wet patch on full throttle and then full middle pedal  8-)
Title: Re:Why do people crash at the first hint of ice?
Post by: knighty on December 02, 2009, 03:38:09 AM
Quote from: MarkI was in hamsterley for a few days there at her parents, and there was a wee bit of snow on Monday.

There were two cars in the hedge on the hill coming up into the village from the road that goes to darlo (the a68?)


2 red cars ?


thatll teach em, basterds should know better than cutting me up :heehaw:




 :cheers:
Title: Why do people crash at the first hint of ice?
Post by: soopahfly on December 02, 2009, 09:22:43 AM
Quote from: knighty
Quote from: SamYou should see the bad driving here. Doesnt help that the test involves driving around a block.

its bad enough here


did I tell you about my mate tho wrote of his MG TF going around a roundabout in the ice ?

fool didnt know how to drive rwd



:p


Lol, I still maintain there was no Ice on that occasion.

*Edit...wasnt me btw!