http://www.ps2-central.co.uk/ps3_retailfinalvideo_news.htm

LOL - like the way he was using white gloves

wonder if the versions we will get will be that shiny

Quote from: Batchhttp://www.ps2-central.co.uk/ps3_retailfinalvideo_news.htm

300-400 quid for a Neo-Geo lookalike...

id buy one, if it wasnt at such a high price...

ive got a DS and i *may* buy either a 360 or a Wii, but for the amount of moolah you are spunking out on these things, you could have a number of decent (bloody expensive) nights on the town, a holiday, a half decent mountain bike... and you wouldnt end up squinting and developing rickets.

and has there been any videos yet of a final production units powering a demo or game?

It is not the actual final version
It was non functional, they gave the very lame excuse of "its got something special we dont want to show yet"

Non playable, leaked information regarding memory to core ratio drop (again)
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33895

Rumour of the manafacture not going 100%
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33813

Im using theinquirer as I remember the links, pleanty of other links on the web with the same comments.

http://www.macnn.com/articles/06/08/22/no.ps3.play.at.leipzig/

Currently cant find a hi rez screenshot that actually shows things are not even plugged in inside on the machine, should have saved it dam good picture.
Lots of talk with regard to how the ports etc dont look quite right for a final product, its closer but its not the final machine simpley becuase it does not work. Till they plug it in, run it let someone play it then its the final machine.

Note No offical final spec even now by Sony, there are current and proposed specs but no final release spec stated.

Anything of games shown were still on those large demo machines given out to developers.

Actually if you look at the video of when he opens up the front you cant see anything but holes.


Close but no cigar

Note:
Not commenting on the console and how it plays etc becuase you got to see it for feedback, just pointing out that its not the final machine.

The day Sony turn up to an event and have the machine running then you can say it.

On a personal note Sony even now really for me dont seem to hold water on the November release date for the console, I dont see it happening, how many games on release? 2?
No hardware and nothing bar a few controlers shown, nothing much to talk about, early next year some time in the first 1/4 for Japan and summer for the rest but machines will be few and far between.
I recon you will have Ebay Japan Unities for 2 grand easy, and by this time the cheap Wii will be around and the 360 will have more of a sliver of its cost down and even more games.

neXus, Sony has the last big opportunity to show off the big guns of PS3 and all the features at the TGS before launch November 17th. I reckon youll gonna like the announcements etc at that point. I think its the case of saving the best till last or last minute.

Anyway, another thing I got for ya to show off.......

http://www.ps2-central.co.uk/ps3UI_revealed_news.htm

This video is a direct video from IGN Weekly edited to show the PS3 bit only. This is showing the user interface of the PS3. Obviously, its a debug version of the UI so itll not exactly look like this. Dunno if you all seen the vid that appeared during or after E3 earlier this year but I think itll be like that when launched.

ADDED - It was also announced that 27 PS3 games will be able to play at TGS. For the games list, go to http://www.ps2-central.co.uk/sony_reveals_playablegamesTGS_news.htm

However, the list of launch titles is dropping.  That is a very worrying thing.  Another is that a much hyped PS3 exclusive has been announced as not an exclusive and it will be launched on the same day with the PS3 and PC version.  That game is Assassins Creed which gave the PS3 one of its few highlights at E3.

The UI is the same as the PSP which was (apparently) the same as the Net Yaruze system back in 1997.  Its a simple and easy to use UI but as pointed out by websites when the UI appears during a game by pressing the PS button on the pad, it can be hard to see because it has no background.    It just shows how right MS got the Xbox 360 UI.  Imitation is the greatest form of flattery.

Apparently, you can only be a "true" fan of MGS if you arent prepared to wait for MGS4 to appear on any other system than PS3.  I find that a ridiculous argument to be getting the PS3.  There will be a sizeable contigent of the people queuing up on launch day for the PS3 who wont be buying it as a games system, they will be buying it as a cheap Bluray player.

Quote from: BatchneXus, Sony has the last big opportunity to show off the big guns of PS3 and all the features at the TGS before launch November 17th. I reckon youll gonna like the announcements etc at that point. I think its the case of saving the best till last or last minute.

Anyway, another thing I got for ya to show off.......

http://www.ps2-central.co.uk/ps3UI_revealed_news.htm

This video is a direct video from IGN Weekly edited to show the PS3 bit only. This is showing the user interface of the PS3. Obviously, its a debug version of the UI so itll not exactly look like this. Dunno if you all seen the vid that appeared during or after E3 earlier this year but I think itll be like that when launched.

ADDED - It was also announced that 27 PS3 games will be able to play at TGS. For the games list, go to http://www.ps2-central.co.uk/sony_reveals_playablegamesTGS_news.htm

Im making web software, its all imba, I can make some screenshots for you.

Means nothing dude, By all sides of the industry the lack of actual decent amount of playable content is appaling and showing nothing untill now is not by choice, no one has ever done that not even sony.
Sony having to sell many departments to cover the cost of the PS3 and blue ray.
Even the Wii has more to show for itself and with its release date there are many concerns.

User interface wise, linux again run on a linux devlopment machine, does not even need to be ps3 spec, untill you can load it on a PS3 and use it on a PS3 means nothing tbh.
But I like the psp interface so its ok but bit bland, the old "plan to allow you to custermise...." you got to be thinking Batch, I mean at this stage "we plan to..."
Even if its on time its not going to be the best release of a console, there is even a lack of advertising and marketing done.

Just piles up, all facts
Not playable machines and actual machine shown working even on rolling demos does not exist, all demos and playable (very small playbale content at that) still on the dev kits even at that recent show.

No "final" specifications

Known Manafacture concerns

Known Finacial issues

Interface not even finished yet

The whole "Manafacture underway" when things are not finished like the interface is an easy lie, parts may be made but no assembly yet.

Packaging - For other past console that leaks out months before it ships, not in this case

All the "you cant touch it" and "We plan to have it do/have.."

The statment from one of the big wigs saying that its lifespan will be about 5 years - for the effort and devlopment costs of the console and all these fetures that are making it cost so much for just the standard 5 year life span - Thats a bit "hmmm" tbh


Very well may be a nice console and have some nice games but Sony are making a right balls up of it all, The ripping off both Nintendo and MS on the controler for example says a lot right now.

A release if any is not going to be a good one sadly, and Parents will be buying Wiis for Xmas due to the sheer cost of the PS3.

Quote from: Deaths HeadHowever, the list of launch titles is dropping.  That is a very worrying thing.  Another is that a much hyped PS3 exclusive has been announced as not an exclusive and it will be launched on the same day with the PS3 and PC version.  That game is Assassins Creed which gave the PS3 one of its few highlights at E3.

The UI is the same as the PSP which was (apparently) the same as the Net Yaruze system back in 1997.  Its a simple and easy to use UI but as pointed out by websites when the UI appears during a game by pressing the PS button on the pad, it can be hard to see because it has no background.    It just shows how right MS got the Xbox 360 UI.  Imitation is the greatest form of flattery.

Apparently, you can only be a "true" fan of MGS if you arent prepared to wait for MGS4 to appear on any other system than PS3.  I find that a ridiculous argument to be getting the PS3.  There will be a sizeable contigent of the people queuing up on launch day for the PS3 who wont be buying it as a games system, they will be buying it as a cheap Bluray player.

Fat chance for any queues, I bet stores will have like 5 each on release if its going to be this year, lol. And 3 will be taken by the people who work there anyway lol.
As I said Ebay 2 grand PS3s will be a given.


One note with that video I was just thinking about just now - I swear that its grown, It looks bigger to me a bit longer maybe not as wide but a lot higher then the dummy box in E3, looks heavy as well and does not have all the stuff in it yet.
Sony as well yet to say if they have an external box power lead or not

A while ago I thought Nintendo would die and Sony and MS would kill them off with the Wii making the same errors as the Gamecube, but Nintendo really did their homework and have made something thats going to save their company, MS listened to many put the effort in and went for the risk of being early which could pay off, after all it worked for the PS2.
Sony though are just making a right balls up of it, even if its a great machine with some nice games its not going to sell at this rate and the loss is going to hurt sony far to much.
They have lost their way

At this stage the playable content of the Xbox360 was arguably very poor and the negative feedback from E3 prior to its launch was very detrimental to the Xbox 360.  I think with the PS3 it wont hurt them too much by not having any publicly playable games.  As long as on launch day there are positive feedback for the system and games, Sony wont care.  

Is one reason the PS3 launch is seen in such a negative light because it may be the last to the next gen party?

Nexus, I dont understand your point regarding the packaging.  Do you mean the console or the games?  I dont recall much of a stink being made when the Xbox360 packaging was shown, I cant recall it at all tbh.  TBH, most of your concerns were also levelled at the Xbox360, no body thought MS could get it to market in the time they said.  They very nearly didnt!

The PS3 IS going to sell well, just through power of brand.  People will want it because it is a Playstation.  No amount of money or PR from MS will change that.  I can see it being pretty even between Xbox360 and PS3.  I believe we will see alot less platform exclusive games unless they are a triple A title, just because the costs are so astronomically high.  I cant think what it will cost for next generation after this!  $100m???

Sonys main aim at the moment is to get what they have working, they can do similar roll outs like MS and their Spring Update.  One thing that would not have been ready for the original launch date was the Online functionality.  That will still be 2nd best to Xbox Live at launch imo.  Until you try it, you will not realise just how good it can be on the 360 if properly implemented.  (/me looking with evils at CoD2, thankfully they patched it up to a usable level).

I dont think Sony has the positive buzz that MS had for the 360, and the main sticking point is the price.  I cant see what Sony can do to bring those people round.  The price is still the biggest weight around the PS3s neck.

Quote from: neXusFat chance for any queues, I bet stores will have like 5 each on release if its going to be this year, lol. And 3 will be taken by the people who work there anyway lol.
As I said Ebay 2 grand PS3s will be a given.

I think you will be surprised, tbh.  There will definitely be people queuing for it.  People who really want it will, and they will have had plenty of time to either save for it or say to their bank they need Ã,£1000 to buy a car, and instead go buy a PS3  Just like women do for their boob jobs  I dont think they will go as high as Ã,£2000 on fleabay.  It is rather tempting to use my preorder to do just that, or Keep it, or...  I may well cancel it before launch date.  I havent decided what to do with it.

There was a large whoohar about 360 packaging both for the console and the games, same with the xbox, maybe not for the actual console itself but there was a lot of talk with regard to game packaging for qutie a wile before launch.
PS2 and PS1 both had released information for game and console packaging, same with the PSP and Sony made a big deal out of them showing them off, PSP the latest for example showing of the packaging, exact content etc quite a while before release to keep and generate hype.
MS even based their marketing along the lines of what Sony has done before as they set the standard and benchmarks as they did it so well, yet this time around they have been a little more then quite.

Your probably right about it selling well in the sence that whats shipped will initialy sell, short supply but will shift but i dont think it will be able to sustain the sales, not with the Wii being around at the same time.

Is anyone actually going to buy a PS3 when you can pickup a 360 and a Nintendo Wii?

Id have thought as interesting as the PS3 hardware is this was pretty much a no brainer by now.  Hideosly overpriced, they screwed up the memory subsystem and have had to gimp the machine speed to actually make it but at the end of the day thats all geek talk.  The thing that has screwed the PS3 (besides the silly price tag) is that most of the developers are pulling out of developing games for it as the coding is apparently a nightmare and many of the normal cross platform titles simply arent going to be ported to it as they effectively have to rewrite them.  It is way too late to market but not having the big name multi platform games and some of the biggest developers (even traditional Sony developers) writing for it is a terrible shame.

The one thing sony had going for it was brand and the PS1 was awesome.  The PS2 was weak but certainly good.  It did largely trade off the PS1 name.  The issue they have is Sony have done some silly thing recently to damage their name in the music/gaming world and I think theyve pretty much done themselves in with this.  The Japanese market is gonna go Nintendo and amazingly XBox the way things are looking - last time round Sony could count on that market but losing the developers for some of the most loved titles is really going to hurt them.

I personally think the 360 as it is now is a joke too as theres simply no catalogue of games and the only good stuff it offers is arcade.  And thats really just cheap flash games you could play on your PC.  They did however get their first and the Wii wont be able to play the PC conversions like the XBox and PS so its one of those and the XBox will play them all while the PS will only do some.  Of the big two XBox has won this generation despite a total lack of content so far and Sonys not even ready to start yet.  The biggest winner will be Nintendo.

Id hoped Sonyd put up some competition to Microsoft but they have totally failed.  Thank god Nintendo came out of nowhere to produce something that will sell like hotcakes and remind us the high end consoles are forgetting.

In what way do you feel the memory subsystem is screwed?  If you are referring to the Inquirer story from a few months ago, that was a reporter being taken for a ride and being made a fool of.  You will almost never want/need to write directly from cell -> video memory.

Developers cannot ignore the PS3, no matter what you think it will still sell a sizeable amount warranting developer support.

Japan is in no way going to Xbox.  155,086 units sold to date.  That is nothing next to the PS2 and even the DS.  

I would disagree with your assessment of the Xbox360 titles.  TBH, I think the content has been stellar.  There have been very few poor games released on the 360.

With the reported unresponsiveness of the Wiis control system, I think people may well be very dissapointed in the finished article. :-/  

Quote from: Deaths HeadIn what way do you feel the memory subsystem is screwed?  If you are referring to the Inquirer story from a few months ago, that was a reporter being taken for a ride and being made a fool of.  You will almost never want/need to write directly from cell -> video memory.

Developers cannot ignore the PS3, no matter what you think it will still sell a sizeable amount warranting developer support.

Japan is in no way going to Xbox.  155,086 units sold to date.  That is nothing next to the PS2 and even the DS.  

I would disagree with your assessment of the Xbox360 titles.  TBH, I think the content has been stellar.  There have been very few poor games released on the 360.

With the reported unresponsiveness of the Wiis control system, I think people may well be very dissapointed in the finished article. :-/  

He aint wrong, many have reported that the memory to core ratio keeps going down and the no offical spec release information and lack of manafacture of actual units makes it hold water, Final spec will be a lot less then advertised, It will still be a powerfull machine but no where near  what they have previosly stated, again very badly handled by sony.

Got to agree on the 360 games, There only seem a few bad eggs and A lot seem to do well.
I never count the all platform games, things like the current Pixar Cars game, they will always be poor, generic and made to work on all machines for maximum profit and short lifespan.

Quote from: SteveFIs anyone actually going to buy a PS3 when you can pickup a 360 and a Nintendo Wii?

yes I might in the future - but not on release

tbh.. I think half of this negative publicity & nay saying is simply because sony are not revealing too much

Ill pass judgement when it is released & probably wait a while too to se if the price drops a bit after christmas

Quote from: Dave

Quote from: SteveFIs anyone actually going to buy a PS3 when you can pickup a 360 and a Nintendo Wii?

yes I might in the future - but not on release

tbh.. I think half of this negative publicity & nay saying is simply because sony are not revealing too much

Ill pass judgement when it is released & probably wait a while too to se if the price drops a bit after christmas

Thats the biggest thing for me. All the Mass negativity over the PS3 has all been Sonys fault and how they have been quite is not like Sony one bit