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Sony A200
on: June 16, 2010, 21:51:32 PM
Thinking of getting an A200 - really liked the one my friend bought. Anyone think its a good/bad idea? Also anyone know the best places to buy?

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Re:Sony A200
Reply #1 on: June 16, 2010, 22:06:56 PM
Not knowing much about the camera itself, my main concern would be the fact its a Sony camera, so you wont have as many lens/accessory options for it, when compared to a Canon or Nikon.

Combined with the fact Ive always found Sony stuff to be a bit pricey for what it is. Sure its pricey quality, but its over and above what I feel is "right". I think this is true for the cameras as well?

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Reply #2 on: June 16, 2010, 22:21:41 PM
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Not knowing much about the camera itself, my main concern would be the fact its a Sony camera, so you wont have as many lens/accessory options for it, when compared to a Canon or Nikon.

Combined with the fact Ive always found Sony stuff to be a bit pricey for what it is. Sure its pricey quality, but its over and above what I feel is "right". I think this is true for the cameras as well?


Got to agree with the Sony pricing thing - I dont tend to buy Sony as a rule for that reason. I just really liked this camera and it was pretty easy to use. I dont know much about photography but I was able to take far better shots with the A200 than my current S9600. Id be well open to alternative suggestions though :)
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Reply #3 on: June 17, 2010, 09:14:55 AM
I find the argument that Canikons have more accessories to be largely an illusion.

Consider if you will which accessories you are likely to actually buy. Most people have 2 or 3 lenses, usually the 18-55 which comes with the camera, a 70-300 or similar, maybe a ~50mm prime, maybe a 100mm macro, maybe a flashgun.

All the manufacturers produce all of these things. Most of the extra bits Canikon do which the others dont are far too expensive for any normal person to buy anyway, so why worry about them?


In my opinion the single most important thing when choosing a DSLR is how it feels in your hands. Is it the right size to feel comfortable? Do the controls fall easily to hand? Is the viewfinder image clear?

No one can tell you which SLR is right for you, the only way to know if you like one is to pick it up and try it. See if you can find a camera shop which stocks as wide a range as possible, pick up and hold as many as you can which are in your price range, then buy the one which feels right.


That said, one or two other considerations:

Do you have access to a cache of lenses to borrow? I originally went with Pentax largely because I could borrow my Dads lenses.

Method of anti-shake: Sony and Pentax do this with a moving sensor, meaning it works with any lens you can mount. Not sure of the details of the Sony system but in the Pentax case I can use anti-shake with any lens I can physically fix to the camera. Canon and Nikon do it with moving lens elements, which means you have to buy special (read bulkier and more expensive) lenses, but has the advantage that you can see the anti-shake working in the viewfinder.

Low light/High ISO performance: The only time youll notice any real image quality difference between some of the different makes and models. The Pentax K-x is supposed to be very good at this, Canon have traditionally been good at it, the Sony A-200 appears to have the same 10.2 MPix sensor as my Pentax K10D so will probably struggle at the top end of its ISO range. Olympus and Panasonic are at an automatic disadvantage in this area because of their tiny sensor.

Actual availability in your area: Notwithstanding what I said above, if you cant get hold of one, its going to be a pain. My favourite camera shop doesnt stock Canon for example. Buying camera stuff over the internet is all very well, but personally I always like to mount a lens on my camera and make sure there isnt anything obviously wrong with it before parting with several hundred quid for it. Plus you will often find yourself choosing between a Sigma, a Tamron and an Own Brand lens with roughly the same paper specs but wildly varying prices. Is that own brand lens £200 better? only one way to know.

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Reply #4 on: June 17, 2010, 09:29:59 AM
The thing RE: the accessories isnt so much how much the manufacturers produce and have available, but also how many people own said systems and so often sell on their old lenses 2nd hand, resulting in bargains to be had (if youre lucky).

But yeah, when you say about the different lenses like that, its true. I still mostly use the kit lens that came with my SLR!

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Reply #5 on: June 17, 2010, 09:36:30 AM
In terms of accessories and stuff I dont see myself getting that into it for some time and if I do get to that point Id probably upgrade anyway. Ive only used an A200 and I really loved it - I wasnt planning on upgrading from my S9600 until I used the A200 and how nice it was. Might go into town at the weekend and try an A230 to see how it feels.

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Re:Sony A200
Reply #6 on: June 17, 2010, 13:43:12 PM
Im not sure what the kit lens on the current Sonys is (at one point I think they were using an 18-70?) but one thing you will notice with a move from your fuji to a DSLR is that the kit lens is very short. To get the same reach on a DSLR as you have on your Fuji you will need a lens with a top end of 200mm, rather than the 55 or 70 that is likely to come with it.

Assuming you actually use all that reach and want to get it back with your DSLR, you have two realistic options:

1) Twin lens kit, so as well as the body you get the normal 18-55 and a ~50-200 or 70-300 telephoto zoom.

2) Single lens kit with a non-standard lens: A lot of camera shops will do you a deal where you get the camera and a Sigma or Tamron super-zoom (~18-250). Depending on the manufacturer you may be able to get an own brand super zoom option as well (I dont know if Sony do one, I know Nikon used to and it was surprisingly good, Pentax used to re-badge the Tamron at one point)


For ease of use obviously a single lens has advantages, but the compromises involved in the design mean that you sacrefice image quality and light gathering for convinience. That said the Tamron 18-250 is supposedly surprisingly good. Here you will get a bonus by going for either Sony or Pentax since the Tamron super zoom doesnt have an image stabiliser built in, and at 250mm with a lens that slow image stabilisation of some sort is really useful.

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Reply #7 on: June 17, 2010, 14:37:37 PM
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Im not sure what the kit lens on the current Sonys is (at one point I think they were using an 18-70?) but one thing you will notice with a move from your fuji to a DSLR is that the kit lens is very short. To get the same reach on a DSLR as you have on your Fuji you will need a lens with a top end of 200mm, rather than the 55 or 70 that is likely to come with it.

Assuming you actually use all that reach and want to get it back with your DSLR, you have two realistic options:

1) Twin lens kit, so as well as the body you get the normal 18-55 and a ~50-200 or 70-300 telephoto zoom.

2) Single lens kit with a non-standard lens: A lot of camera shops will do you a deal where you get the camera and a Sigma or Tamron super-zoom (~18-250). Depending on the manufacturer you may be able to get an own brand super zoom option as well (I dont know if Sony do one, I know Nikon used to and it was surprisingly good, Pentax used to re-badge the Tamron at one point)


For ease of use obviously a single lens has advantages, but the compromises involved in the design mean that you sacrefice image quality and light gathering for convinience. That said the Tamron 18-250 is supposedly surprisingly good. Here you will get a bonus by going for either Sony or Pentax since the Tamron super zoom doesnt have an image stabiliser built in, and at 250mm with a lens that slow image stabilisation of some sort is really useful.



Cheers for that - actually did confirm a lot of my uneducated ideas. Ive bought an A200 with a stock lens, 8GB card, some filters and stuff for £220 delivered - happy with that as its mint, boxed and on less than 1000 shots. I suspected I might miss the distance on the s9600 zoom but I figured if I do Ill just purchase a similar spec lense. Going to see how I get on with stock first though as I loved my friends and Im sure hers was stock.

Good thing is Ive gifted the s9600 to my good lady so Ill always have it to hand should it be needed - it is an awesome camera to be fair.

Cheers for the advice :)
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Reply #8 on: June 17, 2010, 14:41:16 PM
cool! sounds like a good deal to me. have fun, and make sure you post some results!

If you do end up missing the reach of the Fuji, Tamron do a 70-300 which is very good value for money and would compliment the stock lens nicely.

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Reply #9 on: June 17, 2010, 16:48:43 PM
Now you have no excuse not to enter the experimental competition. Given its your first SLR pretty much any of yours shots are going to be an experiment for you :D

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Reply #10 on: June 19, 2010, 16:40:23 PM
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I find the argument that Canikons have more accessories to be largely an illusion.

Consider if you will which accessories you are likely to actually buy. Most people have 2 or 3 lenses, usually the 18-55 which comes with the camera, a 70-300 or similar, maybe a ~50mm prime, maybe a 100mm macro, maybe a flashgun.


Cost of those lenses is also a factor - I got a refurbished, imported US equivalent of the Canon 400D (Rebel XTI)  and then picked up a 50mm f1.8 lens for little over £50 - tis very cheap and a great little lens.

By the looks of things they dont do an equivalent for the Sony, youll have to splash out on a 50mm f1.4 lens which costs 5 times as much and in reality isnt going to be that much different.

There will be a greater variety of accessories/bigger second hand market etc.. precisely because Canon/Nikon are more popular

Having said that my next purchase is likely going to be a sigma 17-70 to replace the kit lens and I believe this is available for the Sony too.

At the moment I think the only lenses Ill require are the 50mm prime and the 17-70 as a general purpose lens - am keeping the kit lens as I have a cheap fish eye adapter for it which is fun to mess around with.

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Re:Sony A200
Reply #11 on: June 19, 2010, 16:50:31 PM
Main issues for me was availability of lenses and cost of memory sticks.

The Canons have an issue that the compactflash memory connector wasnt intended for repetitive use and the pins can be bent relatively easily. So far mine havent but its a worry.

I expect them to shift from CF to SDHC fairly rapidly.

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Reply #12 on: June 19, 2010, 16:53:48 PM
Just get a big CF card and leave it in there if youre worried - unless youre going traveling for an extended period without access to a laptop etc... then youll likely not have to take it out.

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Reply #13 on: June 22, 2010, 07:59:16 AM
Gah its arrived and Im in sodding Oxford all day!!! Want to go home!!
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Re:Sony A200
Reply #14 on: June 24, 2010, 10:08:30 AM
well? you must have got home from Oxford by now and you cant tell me you didnt rip open the box like a 9 year old on Christmas day the instant you got home, so how is it??

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