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Landis loses the Yellow Jersey.
on: August 05, 2006, 09:46:03 AM
B sample proved the A sample to be correct.

Tsk.

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Reply #1 on: August 05, 2006, 10:26:50 AM
Oh noes ... bet he wishes he didnt use that Tesco value nasal spray or whatever it was that fooked him now!

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Reply #2 on: August 05, 2006, 10:45:00 AM
Word is according to sky that hes also been given the sack from his team.

lol @ eru :D

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Reply #3 on: August 05, 2006, 12:29:07 PM
Didnt his team already state that if the second test was positive they would sack him? or t least they said something to that effect.

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Reply #4 on: August 05, 2006, 12:54:19 PM
I guess some of the fan boys can now take thier heads out of the sand....

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Reply #5 on: August 05, 2006, 17:20:26 PM
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I guess some of the fan boys can now take thier heads out of the sand....


Why do you delight at the expense of others? Nothing conclusive has been proven. High testosterone levels arent wholly incriminating.

Testosterone is not known as a supplement given for a single day effort. It can be raised for a variety of reasons, including alcohol intake and physical exertion. His other tests show a normal level which is very unusual compared to the normal uptake of testosterone into the bloodstream.

I find watching cycling and heroic efforts like Landiss epic stage 17 win to be deeply inspiring. To relish in the "discovery" of doping and to live in a world which delights in failure, is something that I dont understand.


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Reply #6 on: August 05, 2006, 18:18:48 PM
Come on, everyone occasionally takes at least some small delight in the ironic fall of someone who has been placed on a pedastal.

At least, pretty much every Brit I know has some element of that in their sense of humour.

I presume you would find it mildly entertaining if Dubya fell under a Bus (hey, its not that unlikely!), but lots of American voters felt strongly enough to get him in power - unless this sense of humour is completely lost in translation.

The way I see it anyone with even an ounce of cynicism in their blood had to think his day 17 performance after day 16 was at least slightly dubious. Same way as I still wonder about Jonathon Edwards triple jump records.
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Reply #7 on: August 05, 2006, 18:32:47 PM
Explain to me in medical terms how a mild boost in testosterone levels can possibly enable such a performance, and then magically disappear from the bloodstream. Oh yeah, you cant. :roll:

I dont put the guy on a pedestal, I just appreciate a tough athlete. Its not like he was like Lance, with a really great team behind him, tons of advert money, and his face everywhere. Landis is one of those great cyclists, that in another tour, would get lost in the peloton, albeit close to the front.

The comparison with Bush falling under a bus makes not a lick of sense. If a bullet went through his head, Id rejoice, not because it would be a heroic champion falling from grace, but because it would be a dangerous asshole getting his just desserts.

Work on your analogies. ;)

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Reply #8 on: August 05, 2006, 19:45:31 PM
The thing that annoys me, is the media rolling over themselves to say, this is terminal for cycling, its credibility is in the bin, very bad for the TourdF etc.

Cycling is not mainstream, the general public outside continental Europe couldnt give a hoot. People whore not cycling fans wont care, people who are wont be that bothered by this. X number of Italian football clubs proved to have fixed matches - the end of Italian football? hardly, just another scandal.

Cycling has proved its hard on drugs- if youre tested and found wanting, youre out. Armstrong was tested and tested again for a decade, nothing found. Millar was tested and banned for two years. The system works!

What they need to do now is get on with this proving of a naturally high testo level in Landis - I reckon theyve got about three or four weeks to come up with the goods or itll be too late, hell be written off in the minds of anybody interested. Im prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt for that long, after that Ill join the cynics.

For the time being, it looks very much as if FL has taken the "Im not a Frenchman" pill...:lol:

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Reply #9 on: August 05, 2006, 19:55:54 PM
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I guess some of the fan boys can now take thier heads out of the sand....


Why do you delight at the expense of others? Nothing conclusive has been proven. High testosterone levels arent wholly incriminating.

Testosterone is not known as a supplement given for a single day effort. It can be raised for a variety of reasons, including alcohol intake and physical exertion. His other tests show a normal level which is very unusual compared to the normal uptake of testosterone into the bloodstream.


Im not actually
I was just trying to point out to people such as yourself that *shock horror* cycling isnt exactly clean cut when it comes to drugs - you can be in denial all you like but they have carried out two tests now and the second one was independent + observed by US doping officials. I do enjoy watching cycling but not to the point where Ill blindly jump all over on any criticism of the sport as you did in the previous thread.

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Reply #10 on: August 05, 2006, 20:03:39 PM
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Work on your analogies. ;)


The point is some people will want for Bush the same success you want for Landis because they appreciate whatever qualities it is they appreciate in him and you appreciate in Landis.

When that success doesnt happen, youll be quite happy to say "Blimey, glad that crazy trigger-happy pretzel muncher is out of the White House", much as Im glad to see that cycling is making an effort to maintain its integrity by catching drug cheats.

As far as explaining the performance boost potentially provided the extra teste-juice, I cant do that, surprisingly Im a sports fan not a doctor. I will say that it must be a banned substance for a reason though.
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Reply #11 on: August 07, 2006, 18:15:28 PM
hmmm The tour, the tour.

I didnt manage to watch a huge amount of it unfortunately, but with regards to the winners & losers, I dunno how much I care really.

the main thing I enjoy is watching just how incredibly powerful the riders are.

The way they are 120miles into a stage, knackered-as and suddenly BANG!! one of them accelerates ReallyVeryHardIndeed as if hes still fresh and the others counter, and wooosh theyre off to silly (well, silly-er!) speeds.

its really incredible how fit they are, just amazing and I love watching the speeds & overtaking / tactics near the end of the stages the most I think.

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Reply #12 on: August 07, 2006, 18:20:49 PM
I want some of these in me, (when i can be sure they are 99% safe, long-term - at the mo they are a bit pipe-dreamy :lol: )

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Imagine scuba-diving without any gear, or on your bike doing your local loop flat-out or something.

itd be proper awsome :mrgreen:

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Reply #13 on: August 16, 2006, 10:56:55 AM
I dont understand the tour really.

Whos it an endurance for?  The cyclists or the spectators?  Its not like theirs anything technical or requires masses of skill.  Its just stamina, rapid recovery and being able to climb.

In honesty, I find all cycling boring to watch, but if I had to pick one to watch, it would revolve around the mountain biking.  Theres skill in picking lines, climbing and descending on difficult circuits, overcoming obstacles and stamina (although to a lesser extent)

I must admit though, I agree with dave.  The TdF does always seem to go hand in hand with doping, its just something you dont get in the MTB world.

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