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  • Offline SteveF

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Re:HD-DVD to announce to they quit
Reply #15 on: February 16, 2008, 12:50:38 PM
Edit: its worth more than my job to say that so remove

Lets just hope youre right :-)

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Reply #16 on: February 16, 2008, 12:57:38 PM
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Edit: its worth more than my job to say that so remove

Lets just hope youre right :-)


You may have just twigged what I was doing, lol

Re:HD-DVD to announce to they quit
Reply #17 on: February 16, 2008, 14:35:40 PM
Liam, my PS3 pwnes your Xbox 360.  I got Blu Ray, you dont.... nah nah!!!

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Reply #18 on: February 16, 2008, 14:50:38 PM
My 360 plays really good worthwhile games - your PS3 DOESNT lol!!  :o (btw Im just cracking a joke before ANOTHER ps3 vs 360 argument commences!)


On a serious note though - does anyone else just really not care about which console plays the best movies? I bought the damn thing for GAMES!! Or is that just me?


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Re:HD-DVD to announce to they quit
Reply #19 on: February 16, 2008, 15:20:08 PM
I have to admit it isnt looking good with the fact that Toshiba are keeping quiet. However, Im still gonna buy all the movies I want on HD-DVD as there seem to be lots of sales on them at the moment and quite a few like the Ultimate Terminator 2 package coming out soon, and the Uni and Paramount movies will probably take a while to come out on blu-ray. I cant see myself buying a blu-ray player anytime soon, if at all, as they still need to get the specs sorted, players created and out at a decent price, and no I dont want a PS3.

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Re:HD-DVD to announce to they quit
Reply #20 on: February 17, 2008, 03:50:58 AM
Over Christmas blue-ray massively outsold HD-DVD disks. Things look to be heavily in favour of Sony in this although plenty of pundits are saying not to count HD-DVD out yet...

Re:HD-DVD to announce to they quit
Reply #21 on: February 17, 2008, 12:40:05 PM
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Toshiba Corporation has decided to withdraw from next generation high-definition DVD production.

The company said it will continue to sell HD-DVD products for a while but will stop further development of HD DVD. Meanwhile, it said its DVD factories in Aomori Prefecture, northern Japan, would be closed.

Market observers said that Toshiba could suffer a loss of hundreds of millions of US dollars.


http://www.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/

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Re:HD-DVD to announce to they quit
Reply #22 on: February 17, 2008, 17:41:07 PM
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LOL well I guess Ill have to admit Im wrong. How could I argue with a good source you cant name? Guess Ill have to to get flustered with our working multi standard HD decoding core and stress about another potential buyer.



...and this is why I have given up arguing with him when I know "for a fact" he is wrong.   For I get annoyed with for posting absolute bollocks all the time Im accused of specifically picking on him.

Just Ignore it, I know its difficult.

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Reply #23 on: February 17, 2008, 18:27:23 PM
Im prepared to bet that any disc format becomes a damp squib.

There is no place for discs any more - theyre old hat. Thats my opinion, and Im sticking to it!

5 years they will be rare, 10 years they will be on computingmuseum.com

I dont know ANYONE that has a next gen standalone player, apart from one guy who is a fanatic about collecting such stuff.

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Reply #24 on: February 17, 2008, 18:34:20 PM
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Im prepared to bet that any disc format becomes a damp squib.

There is no place for discs any more - theyre old hat. Thats my opinion, and Im sticking to it!

5 years they will be rare, 10 years they will be on computingmuseum.com

I dont know ANYONE that has a next gen standalone player, apart from one guy who is a fanatic about collecting such stuff.


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DVD/HDDVDVD/Blu-Ray are all kinda crap.
I know sh*ts bad right now with all that starving bullsh*t and the dust storms and we are running out of french fries and burrito coverings.

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Reply #25 on: February 17, 2008, 21:34:20 PM
I look forward to expanding my HD-DVD with the firesales that are sure to happen in the near future.  :D  Dont have to worry about regions.
I think studios will start to use region encoding much more from now on.  I believe that was one of the studios main reason for moving to Bluray.
I tend to rent blurays more just because the PS3 is so much quieter than the 360.  You cant hear it over the movie soundtrack.

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Reply #26 on: February 17, 2008, 21:34:52 PM
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Quote from: SteveF
LOL well I guess Ill have to admit Im wrong. How could I argue with a good source you cant name? Guess Ill have to to get flustered with our working multi standard HD decoding core and stress about another potential buyer.



...and this is why I have given up arguing with him when I know "for a fact" he is wrong.   For I get annoyed with for posting absolute bollocks all the time Im accused of specifically picking on him.

Just Ignore it, I know its difficult.


Funny, last time I posted anything like that I was right, and the time before that and the people who should have ate their hat never bothered replying in the threads then tried to ignore it
I am right on this Part 1 - 100% correct, its been announced MS stuff will announce in the next week or so about what they are doing and that they done a deal with the blu ray group OR join it and then you will here about the 360 player.

Sorry but I am right here and please feel free to eat many hats in the coming months

The good thing for us who have he 360 hd-dvd player is that we can get the blu ray paying out groaning but before then we will be able to pick up really really cheap hd movies like
Deaths Head says

HD-DVD to announce to they quit
Reply #27 on: February 17, 2008, 21:36:10 PM
Until you post hard facts to back up your claims I will take what you say as rumour.

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Reply #28 on: February 17, 2008, 21:43:00 PM
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Until you post hard facts to back up your claims I will take what you say as rumour.


Fair enough to hold out and say that but to say "your wrong" is a very dodgy thing to do and cypher made a statement about me being wrong before which is a lie
Was telling some tek folk as stevef was posting in this thread, I very delebritly kept dumming it down, very easy to go in a phd detail about the movie industry medium fair usage rights in terms of the dvd, video and what it means for a single hd medium and what you can and cant do in terms of competition and the associations with the movie industry and deals between companies ignoring the fact machines are consoles and the groups etc.
Stevef is a stupidly smart scientist who tends to over analyse stuff on the forums and goes into full phd mass essay mode sometimes focusing on hardware things a little to much, Interesting a bit but he does go on a bit to much detail for some threads :) So on purpose was not going to into it becuase I do happen to know a few people about town so when official hits links posted but I cant, but know its happening
(echoed by others pms at the time)

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Reply #29 on: February 18, 2008, 22:50:58 PM
Micorosoft statement on the news

"We do not believe the recent reports about HD DVD will have any material impact on the Xbox 360 platform or our position in the marketplace. As weve long stated, we believe it is games that sell consoles and Xbox 360 continues to have the largest next-gen games library with the most exclusives and best selling games in the industry."

"We will wait until we hear from Toshiba before announcing any specific plans"
No link as it was in my email box but I am sure on web sites have quoted this and it is what they have said

So they are being coy and its not a no yet on blu ray and as most know it normally means they are in talks and sorting it behind the scenes and when the deals are done links severed and tied and dots ticked they will announce stuff

MS will join the blu ray group will be the next announcement after the 100% official Toshiba announcement they are dropping hd-dvd as marketing and making but support it for xx long etc
All the questions to MS will then be asked about a player for the 360 and pester them, they will then announce an external one and then probably for one of the newer versions of the 360 at the end of the year or next then announce it will be inside the machine as a player only.
The next gen machines though will be the key pointing task
Sony cant stop MS and wont Stop ms in terms of movie and media use despite what SteveF thinks :P BUT there is a case when it comes to gaming, Blu Ray has more space and that and a hardrive is a good thing for games but the question then holds that what will MS do or be allowed to do.
I could see a few options

- Toshiba will pull out but MS by rights and what not to the HD-DVD format and for the next gen machine create a machine with a player that plays both blu-ray and hd-dvd (which already exist) and produce their games on the hd-dvd format and would allow backwards comptability with dvd and dvd games as well as hd-dvd movies.

- Use dvd still and have a blu ray player
I think if either they cant use a blu ray player for games due to Sony then the simple solution would to stick to dvd but I think even now dvd is pushing it in terms of use and they should not choose this in the next gen machine, it would be the wrong one

- Throw a lot of money and offers around and be able to use the blu ray format for the games as well as the media, Possible but as said a lot of cash would be thrown about but considering Sony doing better but still crap as a company and who could do with some money especially after the ps3 and blu ray money pits to first deal with their cock up on the ps3 and then the push for both so if MS who has a bottomless pit of cash throws money at Sony and the blu ray group as well as already being part of the group after the deals being talked over as we speak I think they could be allowed
Despite what SteveF says (sorry again m8ery, lol - hugs  :cheers:  ) It would be good and in the best interest for Sony to do this and in terms of the gaming industry each side does not hate each other as many would assume and both strive to take gaming to the next level and help the people who matter - the game developers and I think the game developers would also have something to say

I think option one is the most likley but option 3 probably the better and possible

SteveF:
Sorry m8 about all the thread as your a clever guy and scientist but you do take it to the other level when its not needed and I am not as smart as you I admit and in the area of your stuff you know your sh*t But you do go over the top when its not needed and I was deliberately being dumb while sticking on the topic matter at hand to a degree
I still avoided all the tech and hardware side you were trying to get into but as I tried to show that is not the point of the matter or the issue it is the industry and gaming and thanks to the people I know and leach information off as I like to learn and know everything I know a bit of what things go on and mean if not the very detailed leagal bits etc

Things are panning out as I said and think they are already And I hope this post is a bit more detailed for you and does show what I said is possible (and will happen) and everything is shaping up to run this way
With the other thread of cool info about the different versions of the 360 an internal player was to be hd-dvd hence MS being Coy at the moment as it means to change plans and peruse the backup plans other teams were doing (talking to the blu ray group which MS being MS will have started when the first signs were there)
MS will have had the idea with the HD-DVD group to put the player in the machine to help bolster things but MS would have looked at the other option of course BUT would hope HD-DVD would win and this was their aim to help bolster that and 360 sales But HD-DVD has fallen over faster then anyone really expected and very early in terms of consumer impact was ever really made

See Nexus Can post actual well thought out posts :)

Oh to add, On the desicion by Toshiba while it is not 101% official still yet the BBC has done a report:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7250068.stm
And they do not normally do things until they are 101% certain often leading them to be a bit slower on the news then everyone else but even if they stick their neck out it is safe to say its going to happen

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