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Reply #30 on: June 23, 2009, 23:31:38 PM
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question : can you search exchange emails?


Yes, Mac OS X Spotlight search is a key part of the 3.0 iphone software.  That will search everything including e-mail.

This will include e-mails that may have not been allready downloaded in a certain file and search exchange remotely.

The reason they leave out these features which arguablly, should have been there from the start, is that you can change the phone any time, without having to buy a new phone.    The whole original concept of the iphone was that if you had to bring a new feature out, you would have to put more keys onto the phone.  That isnt practical.

Its so easy to forget this is their first smartphone and they are doing and amazing job in a sensible steady manor.  


This is not what I meant - in other words, you have to use a different program.

In my email, I immediately want to click and go search, then find emails based on maybe the presence of one word, sent from one sender or to a particular person. I dont want to have to muck about with a stupid search app - that will lose me face on a call to someone like a bank. Any more than one button press to bring up search, and its a waste of time.

EG - I want to find an email from Gerard with the words rbs quote in it. So I just want to click search, type ger in the name field, and rbs quo in the message field - and get my result

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Reply #31 on: June 23, 2009, 23:34:15 PM
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question : can you search exchange emails?

Why do smart phone manufacturers not consider this GLARING omission to be important?

Its the reason there is no real business alternative to blackberry.


Because only people living in 1987 dont use web based email.
Gmail - dont need to sync, best search, unlimited (basically) storage. Your contacts syncs with your phone on the G1.
The BB is a pile of crap and my ex-gf had the storm.

Although I notice RIMM posted better than expected Q2.


None of the fortune companies, banks, government, civil service, and retail sector customers that i deal with use web mail, or would even consider it for security reasons. Who in their right mind would farm their sensitive corporate information out over the internet ? Email is always in house, and secure.

If I even suggested web mail to one of my customers I would get laughed at, and released from contract.

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Reply #32 on: June 23, 2009, 23:37:35 PM
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Ive never used it. However Ill bet you a philly cheesestake that its pants compared to gmail.


OWA is (now) a lot better than gmail, and you are able to use RPC over HTTPS from 2003 onwards, which means you can use your full-fat mail client (eg outlook) over https with no need for a VPN etc.

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Reply #33 on: June 23, 2009, 23:47:13 PM
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question : can you search exchange emails?

Why do smart phone manufacturers not consider this GLARING omission to be important?

Its the reason there is no real business alternative to blackberry.


Because only people living in 1987 dont use web based email.
Gmail - dont need to sync, best search, unlimited (basically) storage. Your contacts syncs with your phone on the G1.
The BB is a pile of crap and my ex-gf had the storm.

Although I notice RIMM posted better than expected Q2.


The storm is filth. The main problem - stupid touchscreen keyboard.

Nothing for mobile email is anywhere near as fast as typing on a proper blackberry keypad. 8700g had the best, curve is a decent compromise.

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Reply #34 on: June 24, 2009, 11:56:35 AM
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The storm is filth. The main problem - stupid touchscreen keyboard.

I dont know ANYONE that has one, or has used a Storm that likes it.  Horrible bloody thing.  The new hardware keyboard + Touchscreen Ive seen demos of looks good though.

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Reply #35 on: June 24, 2009, 17:56:10 PM
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WM6.1 does search, you just start typing in your email list.


What if you want to search for an email sent to a person in particular, with a particular word in it, and only those with attachments? And quickly.

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Reply #36 on: June 26, 2009, 17:09:44 PM
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WM6.1 does search, you just start typing in your email list.


What if you want to search for an email sent to a person in particular, with a particular word in it, and only those with attachments? And quickly.


Quickly? You use gmail ;)
My Gmail will search my 100,000+ emails in about 2 seconds.

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Reply #37 on: June 26, 2009, 18:57:50 PM
Mark - as resident BB expert - a question... is it possible to check availability for calendar invites on a blackberry?

Sam - how tightly integrated is gmail on the G1? Is it a browse to webpage thing or does look like a built-in app?

"Within your 'purview'? Where do you think you are, some f**king regency costume drama? This is a government department, not some f**king Jane f**king Austen novel!"

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Reply #38 on: June 28, 2009, 01:10:29 AM
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This is not what I meant - in other words, you have to use a different program.

In my email, I immediately want to click and go search, then find emails based on maybe the presence of one word, sent from one sender or to a particular person. I dont want to have to muck about with a stupid search app - that will lose me face on a call to someone like a bank. Any more than one button press to bring up search, and its a waste of time.


There is a seperate search app which searches the entire phone but it is also intergrated into all the apps also individually.  IE contacts, calendar.

E-mail for example is just a simple text search bar at the top of whatever folder you are in.  Its very quick.

One of the reasons I am less critical is because of the software nature of the phone, that changes can be deployed at low cost on a continually developing basis.  Its a platform that to date yet to see an expected lifetime.   I would still like the ability to have more than one active sync connection and public folders.

I personally find BBs; although great tools, very hard to justify to small businesses when I tell them they cant have the BES server on the same SBS OS, (Blackberry best practices), they have to pay for the server after more than 1 phone, they have to pay extra data rates with their provider.  Why cant it just work with Exchange out the box?  

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Reply #39 on: June 28, 2009, 01:12:59 AM
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Ive never used it. However Ill bet you a philly cheesestake that its pants compared to gmail.


OWA is (now) a lot better than gmail, and you are able to use RPC over HTTPS from 2003 onwards, which means you can use your full-fat mail client (eg outlook) over https with no need for a VPN etc.


I personally find OWA 2007 almost a full fat client for generic use.

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Reply #40 on: June 28, 2009, 01:30:46 AM
I can not wait to get my hands on a palm pre and see how it handles things.

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Reply #41 on: June 28, 2009, 02:32:17 AM
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Sam - how tightly integrated is gmail on the G1? Is it a browse to webpage thing or does look like a built-in app?



Id assume its an app seeing as you can get a java gmail app for normal phones. http://www.google.com/mobile/default/mail.html
I know sh*ts bad right now with all that starving bullsh*t and the dust storms and we are running out of french fries and burrito coverings.

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Reply #42 on: June 29, 2009, 03:33:33 AM
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Mark - as resident BB expert - a question... is it possible to check availability for calendar invites on a blackberry?

Sam - how tightly integrated is gmail on the G1? Is it a browse to webpage thing or does look like a built-in app?



Its a custom app that integrates with the phone but you can use the browser if you want to access your non-core account.

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Reply #43 on: June 29, 2009, 22:46:54 PM
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This is not what I meant - in other words, you have to use a different program.

In my email, I immediately want to click and go search, then find emails based on maybe the presence of one word, sent from one sender or to a particular person. I dont want to have to muck about with a stupid search app - that will lose me face on a call to someone like a bank. Any more than one button press to bring up search, and its a waste of time.


There is a seperate search app which searches the entire phone but it is also intergrated into all the apps also individually.  IE contacts, calendar.

E-mail for example is just a simple text search bar at the top of whatever folder you are in.  Its very quick.

One of the reasons I am less critical is because of the software nature of the phone, that changes can be deployed at low cost on a continually developing basis.  Its a platform that to date yet to see an expected lifetime.   I would still like the ability to have more than one active sync connection and public folders.

I personally find BBs; although great tools, very hard to justify to small businesses when I tell them they cant have the BES server on the same SBS OS, (Blackberry best practices), they have to pay for the server after more than 1 phone, they have to pay extra data rates with their provider.  Why cant it just work with Exchange out the box?  


Have a look at BT.

Free BES server licenses, handsets at about £20 a go. In fact, most providers are now dishing BES out free.

That search still sounds useless - like you can only search for words. Need to be able to refine searches when you get 500+ emails a day.

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Reply #44 on: June 29, 2009, 22:54:29 PM
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Mark - as resident BB expert - a question... is it possible to check availability for calendar invites on a blackberry?

Sam - how tightly integrated is gmail on the G1? Is it a browse to webpage thing or does look like a built-in app?



yes, agenda.

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