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Why I think the PS3 can still win the console war...
on: February 09, 2007, 11:05:12 AM
I have a 360, I had a Wii, and I will have a PS3, I am by no way a fanboy of any manufacturer.

The 360 is a stunning piece of kit, until recently I had the HD-DVD add-on, its grand, but this is now on eBay (the HD-DVD bit! not the 360) suffering a similar fate to my Wii...

The 360 itself is superb, ive had it over a year and on my third now... through no fault of my own, shoddy Microsoft build quality im afraid. Now I hear so many people banding the all the 99% of people who havent had a problem keep quiet crap so much its beyond a joke, whatever people say, this system is not as rock solid as it really quite should be.

The Wii again was a lovely gadget, but its software library at the moment is just rubbish, no other word for it im afraid, I dont care about old gamecube games, if they where any good I would have had them already and played them. I will be re-buying a Wii in a few months when the price has gone down a little, and the software library has had chance to grow.

Now heres the PS3, what an overpriced console, I mean SERIOUSLY overpriced, people say or is it well yeah, it is!

Many argue that the in built blu-ray player eats up part of that expense, to some extent id agree that thats a valid argument.

What you get for your money right now probably isnt worth it, but when the price drops, it will be. Ok so Microsoft have a great online service (or so I hear, ive only had the silver) for years now, but sorry Microsoft im not paying you on top of a game price just to play online. Sony may be one or two steps behind Microsoft even with this extra year they have had to develop, but the fact they have free online play may just steal those cross platform titles away from a few 360 owners.

Heres where people might not like my views, I really think a huge selling point when the price goes down is the questionable security. Being positively encouraged to run a different OS by Sony in my books is suicide, if you can boot stuff from the HDD as certain videos show, certain people are going to have a party.

Extras - The PS3 is almost silent Oh and Casino Royale, dont expect to see that on HD-DVD anytime soon...  oh and if you find yourself running short of space in a couple of years time, no doubt a 500GB 2.5" drive will be out for you to plonk in the back, all without voiding your warranty!

The PS3 wont leap straight to the number 1 spot, but I can see why it would in a couple of years time, despite stupid oversights like no rumble pads :?

Why I think the PS3 can still win the console war...
Reply #1 on: February 09, 2007, 11:41:17 AM
nah, id rather play with my balls as its cheaper :P

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Reply #2 on: February 09, 2007, 12:00:47 PM
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nah, id rather play with my balls as its cheaper :P


Yeah, although its a big big shame you cant get someone to play 2 player with you.

Scamper along and litter someone elses thread please :wave:

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Reply #3 on: February 09, 2007, 12:06:38 PM
Depends on so many factors really. What the next years worth of releases are like, what technical issues might occur, exactly what the prices drop to. Personally I think Xbox 360 will be the ultimate winner - I dont think Blue Ray will be that much of a deciding factor.
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Reply #4 on: February 09, 2007, 12:10:34 PM
I think your forgetting that version 2 of the 360 is on the way, hardrive can be changed with the xbox as well.
Games wont look that much different even in 5 years time, people actually expecting that xbox 360 will look better as coders will have it cracked by then and still learning the ps3.

Sony are really kidding themselves with the concept of this lasting more then the average 5 years, when the other 2 or more bring out the next next gen machines sony will have to follow suite or seem old and out dated.

AS for Hi-def i read an article on Monday about the Xbox 360 drive and the people who made it actually since its software running on the drive not the 360 and the drive they have put in, it should be able to run with software updates other types of hd-dvd if and when they come out since most think a hybrid version will eventually win out.
It can also be used on your pcs as well now and they actually do not mind it just do not support it.

PS3 has some nice features, the 2nd os boot option is nice

TO much cost, to little games and very complex game development, Wii will take over the mass game spam in the market like the ps2 did, and 360 will make some quality games over the years

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Reply #5 on: February 09, 2007, 12:47:02 PM
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Depends on so many factors really. What the next years worth of releases are like, what technical issues might occur, exactly what the prices drop to. Personally I think Xbox 360 will be the ultimate winner - I dont think Blue Ray will be that much of a deciding factor.


Yep its certainly hard to tell, but a while ago it looked like Sonys chances where really starting to dwindle, the launch dates a bit crap, but with that said theoretically by the time christmas is here the ps3 will have a very strong lineup of games for it, and one can only assume the price will have fallen a great deal.

I dont WANT blu-ray to win, as HD-DVD is region free :) but I wont be surprised if it does.

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Reply #6 on: February 09, 2007, 12:51:06 PM
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I think your forgetting that version 2 of the 360 is on the way, hardrive can be changed with the xbox as well.
Games wont look that much different even in 5 years time, people actually expecting that xbox 360 will look better as coders will have it cracked by then and still learning the ps3.

Sony are really kidding themselves with the concept of this lasting more then the average 5 years, when the other 2 or more bring out the next next gen machines sony will have to follow suite or seem old and out dated.

AS for Hi-def i read an article on Monday about the Xbox 360 drive and the people who made it actually since its software running on the drive not the 360 and the drive they have put in, it should be able to run with software updates other types of hd-dvd if and when they come out since most think a hybrid version will eventually win out.
It can also be used on your pcs as well now and they actually do not mind it just do not support it.

PS3 has some nice features, the 2nd os boot option is nice

TO much cost, to little games and very complex game development, Wii will take over the mass game spam in the market like the ps2 did, and 360 will make some quality games over the years


Yep some good points neXus, I dont see this lasting for 5 years, they can TRY but when Microsoft/Ninty bring out something before the ps4, its going to pan a 5 year old system into the floor pretty convincingly.

Im not sure MS are really making a great move with a 360mk2 its going to piss a LOT of people off, I think thats why they are hesistant to release anything official about its existence.

And yes I think the 360 will have the advantage for quite some time, but the PS3 DOES have potential, it depends how they use  it, like you touched upon, its already been documented that the Cell processor can be a nightmare in comparison to coding for the 360.

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Reply #7 on: February 09, 2007, 12:59:18 PM
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Im not sure MS are really making a great move with a 360mk2 its going to piss a LOT of people off, I think thats why they are hesistant to release anything official about its existence.


I dont think its going to annoy people really. I mean its something console makers have done for a while now, Nintendo DS Lite, Slimline PS2, Megadrive 2 etc etc.

Re:Why I think the PS3 can still win the console war...
Reply #8 on: February 09, 2007, 13:06:59 PM
Those consoles havent added any more features, just gotten smaller.

I dont think the PS3 will win tbh, as it is too expensive and they have made a lot of mistakes so far to get here.

As for the online gaming.  The online procedure for the PS2 was an absolute nightmare.  Im happy to pay the ~£3 a month for the live service.

But its really not going to bother me who wins, as I have never found sony games to be much cop.  For me its Sega/Ninty and now MS.


Athough, a thought crossed my mind.  Has anyone seen how apparently easy it was to get backups running on the ps3?  My guess is that sony have deliberatly made it easy so the console will gain rapid popularity only for them to fix it at the last minute.  But the international sales seem to show the PS3 getting lagged on the shelves compared to the other consoles.

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Reply #9 on: February 09, 2007, 14:07:25 PM
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The 360 itself is superb, ive had it over a year and on my third now... through no fault of my own, shoddy Microsoft build quality im afraid. Now I hear so many people banding the all the 99% of people who havent had a problem keep quiet crap so much its beyond a joke, whatever people say, this system is not as rock solid as it really quite should be.


The 360 has definitely had a questionable track record when it comes to reliability. Plus as mentioned its far from quiet!

To a certain degree I think most people have come to expect this from 1st revision consoles regardless of manufacturer. Sales generally tend to climb steadily once quieter more reliable components make it on to the production line. Were starting to see that now with the introduction of a quiet DVD drive and the move to small die size. I

I dont think theyll market the newer revision (smaller die etc) any differently, afterall its just a manufacturing revision for them.

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Many argue that the in built blu-ray player eats up part of that expense, to some extent id agree that thats a valid argument.


Personally I dont care about HD-DVD or BluRay - at this point in time theres more than enough storage capacity on a DVD-DL to store everything need for highly detailed games.

As far as movies go, I gave up on disk based storage ages ago, so Ill never have the need to play either format, especially through a console. With Media Centre Extender the 360 really adds something useful that I can use (quite a bit) now. For example my HTPC stays in my lounge, but I can move the 360 around to any room to watch shared content.

Its for this reason I dont like being forced to shell out for one or the other when purchasing what is primarily a games console.

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What you get for your money right now probably isnt worth it, but when the price drops, it will be. Ok so Microsoft have a great online service (or so I hear, ive only had the silver) for years now, but sorry Microsoft im not paying you on top of a game price just to play online. Sony may be one or two steps behind Microsoft even with this extra year they have had to develop, but the fact they have free online play may just steal those cross platform titles away from a few 360 owners.


Before I bought the 360 I was very wary of the so called "Live Gold" charge. I have to say my opinion on this has completely changed. MS has produced some fantastic online services, that very well laid out and easy to use.

On top of this theyre rolling out IPTV and a media marketplace. Also, I like the direction MS are going in to converge online arenas for Windows and 360 gamers.

I have been far from impressed with Sonys take on online gaming. I had high hopes for the PS3s implementation, but it isnt shapping up too well.

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Heres where people might not like my views, I really think a huge selling point when the price goes down is the questionable security. Being positively encouraged to run a different OS by Sony in my books is suicide, if you can boot stuff from the HDD as certain videos show, certain people are going to have a party.


You can just see this potentially turning into a PSP hack chaos fiasco for Sony.... this will have major appeal.. but for a minority.

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Extras - The PS3 is almost silent Oh and Casino Royale, dont expect to see that on HD-DVD anytime soon...  oh and if you find yourself running short of space in a couple of years time, no doubt a 500GB 2.5" drive will be out for you to plonk in the back, all without voiding your warranty!

The PS3 wont leap straight to the number 1 spot, but I can see why it would in a couple of years time, despite stupid oversights like no rumble pads :?


Im just amazed how theyve managed to bungle it so badly from a business perspective. At the very least theyve given MS a major foot up, when previously most considered them not to stand a chance in hell against the titan of 200m + PS2 sales.

The lack of rumble is such a huge step backwards, especially seeing how much the tech has matured - when youre immersed in the chaos onscreen the vibrations add a subliminal layer that draws you in further.


End of the day, its late, very expensive, difficult to program for (which pretty much puts it on par with 360 graphically - by the time they get used to it, MS will be very close to Xbox v3) and has a questionable online setup.



Dont get me wrong I want them to do better, the more competition at the top the better, but I really dont see them storming to 250m+ sales like they did with the PS2.

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Reply #10 on: February 09, 2007, 14:30:39 PM
I got a 360 & Wii.. Not sure if Ill get a PS3 yet.

Ive given up on PC games these days.. apart from MMORPG or management sims/mouse driven, I find it easier to just boot up the box & play on there. Live Gold is well worth the extra fiver a month. Beating the computer in Sport games aint much fun.

As for the HD-DVD upograde, Im holding off atm. Yes its a cheap way to get HD-DVD, but whats the point when a format war is brewing? No games will be for the HD-DVD & Any HiDef stuff I want atm, I just download for a.b.hdtv or watch on sky.

Ive had a Wii for a week now. Its fun to play, but I think it will end up sitting  on my shelf & used more when theres a group, rather than on your own - But it has Huge Potential. Bought Madden 07 yesterday & the Control system is really innovative. Its a Pity it relys on small movements atm - would be great if you actually had to mimic proper arm movement; for example, to Snap the Ball, you Bring your wrist back & then push it forward to throw... Would be better if you had to bring your arm back & throw forward (like a proper QB would) - Also in Madden, you Lift both hands up to catch the ball, much better than the xbox version where you just press Y button, etc. - You feel much more involved in the game.
Im really looking forward to a Star Wars Game :-D

I also wont be suprised if next time they bring out controllers that strap to your Legs to mimic running, or jumping, etc.


As for the PS3, Ive owned a PS1 & PS2 and was never really impressed with either. The only reason Id buy a PS3 is for the Blue-ray support if it wins the Format War.

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AS for Hi-def i read an article on Monday about the Xbox 360 drive and the people who made it actually since its software running on the drive not the 360 and the drive they have put in, it should be able to run with software updates other types of hd-dvd if and when they come out since most think a hybrid version will eventually win out.


Not sure what Nexus is trying to say... But my interpritations is that it can be software updated to support Blueray.. - I would think thats wrong as its a different laser.. unless MS have sneaked the support in. Which I doubt as MS put their cards on the Table & backed HD-DVD from the off.. More chance in Bill Gates saying the internet will never take off

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As for reliability.. my xbox has crashed about 5 times in just over a year. My Wii once!

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Reply #11 on: February 09, 2007, 15:36:05 PM
Well you know if blu-ray wins M$ can just happily release another external player to replace to HD-DVD one.
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Reply #12 on: February 09, 2007, 15:41:43 PM
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Well you know if blu-ray wins M$ can just happily release another external player to replace to HD-DVD one.


Good point ^^

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Reply #13 on: February 09, 2007, 17:02:36 PM
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Well you know if blu-ray wins M$ can just happily release another external player to replace to HD-DVD one.


Cant see them doing that.
Afterall, the Support does nothing for the console gaming wise.. only to view movies. MS firmly backed HD-DVD, while Sony backed Blu-ray.. When as an american admitted they was wrong?

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Reply #14 on: February 09, 2007, 20:19:46 PM
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Well you know if blu-ray wins M$ can just happily release another external player to replace to HD-DVD one.


Cant see them doing that.
Afterall, the Support does nothing for the console gaming wise.. only to view movies. MS firmly backed HD-DVD, while Sony backed Blu-ray.. When as an american admitted they was wrong?


MS said a while ago that if HD-DVD failed and Blu-ray won the war theyd release a Blu-ray drive for the 360.

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