Author Topic: X-Box 360 (Read 3636 times)

TheMallrat · **Reply #15 on:** February 13, 2008, 09:09:58 AM

Re:X-Box 360

Reply #15 on: February 13, 2008, 09:09:58 AM

Quote from: matt5cott

edit -> with regards to which system to get xbox wise, dont bother with the arcade as you really need the HDD to be futureproof (some games already take advantage of it) however I wouldnt bother with the elite unless you can get one really cheap, I personally wont be paying MS to watch content and dont need 120GB of space...

There are other things that the 20GB of space can be used for besides downloaded movies. I had to buy a 120GB drive recently as my 20GB drive had been filled with save games, extra game content and Arcade games. Id say get an Elite as youll probably end up needing due to all the stuff that is available to download.

Clock'd 0Ne · **Reply #16 on:** February 13, 2008, 09:11:06 AM

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Reply #16 on: February 13, 2008, 09:11:06 AM

Cheers. Hmm the points you made about the PS3 would make it more tempting if not for these damned compatability issues with the older PS2 games. Are there any more consoles revisions due out, whats on the horizon? I take it none of these are going to be dead horses in 12 months time?

TheMallrat · **Reply #17 on:** February 13, 2008, 09:14:39 AM

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Reply #17 on: February 13, 2008, 09:14:39 AM

I also dont get why people complain that paying around £3 a month is too much for XBox Live. I dont earn much but dont have a problem with paying as the service is great, minus the few hiccups they had over Christmas.

neXus · **Reply #18 on:** February 13, 2008, 09:24:02 AM

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Reply #18 on: February 13, 2008, 09:24:02 AM

Quote from: Clockd 0Ne

Cheers. Hmm the points you made about the PS3 would make it more tempting if not for these damned compatability issues with the older PS2 games. Are there any more consoles revisions due out, whats on the horizon? I take it none of these are going to be dead horses in 12 months time?

No, they cost them to dam much but your console generation has always been 5 years All you will have is the revisions that always take place when things are made smaller, cheaper components and small improvements, like the ps3 slim which is on the way and the fact if HD-dvd does not die (which sadly looks like it is very much loosing the company war (not consumer mind)) rumour of it as standard in revisions of the elite are on the cards for the 360 for example

matt5cott · **Reply #19 on:** February 13, 2008, 09:49:28 AM

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Reply #19 on: February 13, 2008, 09:49:28 AM

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I also dont get why people complain that paying around £3 a month is too much for XBox Live. I dont earn much but dont have a problem with paying as the service is great, minus the few hiccups they had over Christmas.

If I go out and pay for a game I expect the entirity of the game content to be available out of the box.

Not half of it to be buried away until I pay MS a shafting charge.

Its like being dry bummed against your will, then smiling and paying for it.

The compatibility issues with the ps2 become less of an issue as time goes on as the ps3 catalogue grows, who gives a crap if you cant pay some old ps1 game.

neXus · **Reply #20 on:** February 13, 2008, 10:14:50 AM

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Reply #20 on: February 13, 2008, 10:14:50 AM

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Quote from: TheMallrat
I also dont get why people complain that paying around £3 a month is too much for XBox Live. I dont earn much but dont have a problem with paying as the service is great, minus the few hiccups they had over Christmas.

If I go out and pay for a game I expect the entirity of the game content to be available out of the box.

Not half of it to be buried away until I pay MS a shafting charge.

Its like being dry bummed against your will, then smiling and paying for it.

The compatibility issues with the ps2 become less of an issue as time goes on as the ps3 catalogue grows, who gives a crap if you cant pay some old ps1 game.

Sorry but this is total tosh, everyone knows the live system is the best out there and the others not even come close to the features and the control and with the amount of sign ups it gets and consistent use and even Sony and Nintendo admitting they missed the ball on that one and the fact it has nothing to do with not getting a full game out of the box since you got the very strict quality control on games by MS and are patching going on but actual more time to develop and produce more extended content for you some free some payed (just like pc expansions) to bring new life and extension to your game so your not spending the ever increasing cost of an actual new game - Rock band when it will come out will be a lump sum but wont be rock band 2, 3 like guitar hero since you need more items and modes and songs all of which and more will be available through live at end of day being better for you.
PS3 games with issues like the fps companies having to ship and replace games they cant fix them and actually have had far more buggy releases over the 360 already due to the coding issues with the machine and previously talked about developers working on 360 then porting to pc ala xbox and ps2 producing similar issues and effects but in a turn around all talked about in the industry as well

It is fair to say your not keen on paying for something but to go out like the above is well bullcrap

Oh and you got to laugh at the

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ps3 catalogue grows

Because it is going far to slow and all the power base Sony built and all the exclusives they once had they have literally ballzed up and about lost all the big name games and power house people moving to other things with Free hands.

Big thing for the year is the fact the konami did not do to well in the money front last year and pulling out of arcades and In the industry that there may even be a merger with Namco Bandi to stay competitive with other companies merging or buying out others
If The last Metal Gear solid as a proper Metal Gear game(since its creator is doing other things after this and with his hands free also apparently going to go produce for the 360 (talked about last year) does not Sell on the PS3 as it should (which all indications is that there is a big concern on this (note ps3 sales you got to take a chunk off as many buy it as a blu ray player only (quite high numbers) ) they have been koy about porting it to the 360 and if it does not come close to say a halo3 level of money back for them its going 360, May be end of year or a while but it will if the sales are not there and it will be another kick in the teeth for Sony.

SteveF · **Reply #21 on:** February 13, 2008, 11:21:09 AM

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Reply #21 on: February 13, 2008, 11:21:09 AM

Quote from: Clockd 0Ne

Cheers. Hmm the points you made about the PS3 would make it more tempting if not for these damned compatability issues with the older PS2 games. Are there any more consoles revisions due out, whats on the horizon? I take it none of these are going to be dead horses in 12 months time?

Theres nopt going to be anything coming out that obsoletes the current crop of consoles for a while yet.

Microsoft are just turning a profit now and Sony are still losing cash hand over fist on the PS3s (its more valuable to them to have Bluray win the format wars than make cash on the consoles). They have to let them run for a while yet to make returns. So dont worry about the obsolesence of any of the three machines - which cant be said for many electronics goods these days.

If its solely games then the XBox lineup is simply better than the PS3s. Theres more good games to play. But you cant argue with the price of that Bluray player... Youll probably end up with both/all three eventually anyway when you buy a PS3 to watch movies.

edit: and I hardly ever plug the PS3 or XBox into the net either tbh. Just cba lol. The wiis only on because I synced the wireless for the arcade downloads.

Rivkid · **Reply #22 on:** February 13, 2008, 11:29:57 AM

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bloody forum software lost my post grrr

neXus · **Reply #23 on:** February 13, 2008, 11:33:10 AM

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Reply #23 on: February 13, 2008, 11:33:10 AM

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Quote from: Clockd 0Ne
Cheers. Hmm the points you made about the PS3 would make it more tempting if not for these damned compatability issues with the older PS2 games. Are there any more consoles revisions due out, whats on the horizon? I take it none of these are going to be dead horses in 12 months time?

Theres nopt going to be anything coming out that obsoletes the current crop of consoles for a while yet.

Microsoft are just turning a profit now and Sony are still losing cash hand over fist on the PS3s (its more valuable to them to have Bluray win the format wars than make cash on the consoles). They have to let them run for a while yet to make returns. So dont worry about the obsolesence of any of the three machines - which cant be said for many electronics goods these days.

If its solely games then the XBox lineup is simply better than the PS3s. Theres more good games to play. But you cant argue with the price of that Bluray player... Youll probably end up with both/all three eventually anyway when you buy a PS3 to watch movies.

edit: and I hardly ever plug the PS3 or XBox into the net either tbh. Just cba lol. The wiis only on because I synced the wireless for the arcade downloads.

MS never said never when asked if they would make a blu ray player and said the 360 could handle it and the box would just be similar to the hd-dvd in terms of function so either choice he goes for blu ray in future an option and it does look like companies are taking blu ray as the choice for them

matt5cott · **Reply #24 on:** February 13, 2008, 11:42:01 AM

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Reply #24 on: February 13, 2008, 11:42:01 AM

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Sorry but this is total tosh, everyone knows the live system is the best out there

Multiplayer on a PC is free, easier and frankly better.

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and the others not even come close to the features and the control and with the amount of sign ups it gets and consistent use and even Sony and Nintendo admitting they missed the ball on that one and the fact it has nothing to do with not getting a full game out of the box since you got the very strict quality control on games by MS and are patching going on but actual more time to develop and produce more extended content for you some free some payed (just like pc expansions) to bring new life and extension to your game so your not spending the ever increasing cost of an actual new game - Rock band when it will come out will be a lump sum but wont be rock band 2, 3 like guitar hero since you need more items and modes and songs all of which and more will be available through live at end of day being better for you.

Nice ramble...

if you think that paying £40 for something then having to pay more to use it online is good then thats lovely, if you want additional content then anyone is welcome to pay for it (this goes for the PS3 also) and if you think that its nothing to do with getting a full game out of the box then thats your opinion, you must be the retailers dreams come true

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PS3 games with issues like the fps companies having to ship and replace games they cant fix them and actually have had far more buggy releases over the 360 already due to the coding issues with the machine and previously talked about developers working on 360 then porting to pc ala xbox and ps2 producing similar issues and effects but in a turn around all talked about in the industry as well

Youre just highlighting the worst bits and bobs you can find about the PS3, its not an informed opinion infact its so biased its a joke, I could go on about the 360 shoddy build quality but frankly I just want to help Nige make an informed decision.

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It is fair to say your not keen on paying for something but to go out like the above is well bullcrap

Thats my opinion, but thanks anyway.

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Oh and you got to laugh at the
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ps3 catalogue grows
Because it is going far to slow and all the power base Sony built and all the exclusives they once had they have literally ballzed up and about lost all the big name games and power house people moving to other things with Free hands.

Its a quiet point for all now, without a crystal ball its far too early for anyone to predict sales figures in 2008, I see GTA4 doing much better on the 360.

Again im not here to defend any camp, I have all 3 consoles and am merely expressing my opinion.

PS blu-ray is crap anyway, its all about who gets their box unlocked first for some x264 high def playback

SteveF · **Reply #25 on:** February 13, 2008, 11:55:13 AM

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Reply #25 on: February 13, 2008, 11:55:13 AM

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MS never said never when asked if they would make a blu ray player and said the 360 could handle it and the box would just be similar to the hd-dvd in terms of function so either choice he goes for blu ray in future an option and it does look like companies are taking blu ray as the choice for them

Unless you know something I dont Im unaware of Microsoft having a license even for the BluRay specs, let alone a development group. They could buy in the tech of course but short term Bluray on the 360 wont be popping up.

Rivkid · **Reply #26 on:** February 13, 2008, 12:13:45 PM

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Reply #26 on: February 13, 2008, 12:13:45 PM

Matt - I appreciate where your coming from and at the end of the day everyone has theyre own preference. I do think a couple of your points are a bit clouded though - namely the value of Live and the region free thing.

I can see why you object to paying for Live I really can. But I have to say I couldnt go back to PC online gamig now unless I was paying for the server (which defeats the object). Its so much easier and faster to just jump on live, connect to the server and begin playing plus I get much better ping and connection speeds than the vast majority of free pc servers will give. I can speak to everyone without connecting to vent or ts2 and I can see who is online straight away with no mucking around. All this plus demos of the latest releases (which d/l from ridiculously fast servers) , video if I wanted it ok I dont but still, but also game add ons, extra levels etc..

In relation to the region thing most titles can be picked up for £25.00 from various forums within days of release - ok 2nd hand, but mint and still tradeable in the UK. Most places wont accept Asian release for trade so its not always a great idea. Also many Asian versions are region free and run fine on an unchipped 360 dont forget.

I agree that the whole HDDVD/BLURAY issue is stupid because its a games console at the end of the day and I dont care what films it plays.

Oh and whilst I know youll mock me - I think most 360 owners will agree that some of the most fun theyve had with a game is replaying certain points after youve completed it chasing some elusive achievement point!! Sounds daft but the extra life it breathes into games and the feeling of accomplishment when you get some of the hard ones makes your games go a lot further.

neXus · **Reply #27 on:** February 13, 2008, 12:28:34 PM

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Reply #27 on: February 13, 2008, 12:28:34 PM

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Multiplayer on a PC is free, easier and frankly better.

Not In all cases no, In many games yes but as you put it - No not completely true, Again your warping fact to fiction to moan like before a bit which is pointless. You do like Live, fair enough but going to silly extremes is a bit daft

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Nice ramble... if you think that paying £40 for something then having to pay more to use it online is good then thats lovely, if you want additional content then anyone is welcome to pay for it (this goes for the PS3 also) and if you think that its nothing to do with getting a full game out of the box then thats your opinion, you must be the retailers dreams come true

Your talking tosh again not actually thinking and just showing your dislike for live and well talking crap ^^

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Youre just highlighting the worst bits and bobs you can find about the PS3, its not an informed opinion infact its so biased its a joke, I could go on about the 360 shoddy build quality but frankly I just want to help Nige make an informed decision.

All gone in before in other threads no nead and every knows about the builds but how ms has handled it has been open and very good, have you or will you ever see sony give you a 4 year replacement on a console? no And it is not biased and detail all gone in about both sides but basically Sony has fecked up the ps3 as a platform for gaming and the gaming itself (as discussed before inherently good machine) and it is more you ignoring all that discussion not me.

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ts a quiet point for all now, without a crystal ball its far too early for anyone to predict sales figures in 2008, I see GTA4 doing much better on the 360.

Not talking sales, talking catalogue and very open for all to see for 2008 and simply not strong enough and gaming media already talking about that

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Again im not here to defend any camp, I have all 3 consoles and am merely expressing my opinion.

But your not, your doing more then that, ignoring fact, twisting what is to fiction and basically overdoing ending up talking crap which shows you as being stupid when your not when all it would take is "I do not like live and I did not want to pay for the service" which would be fine even saying why you dont but you then went over the top saying stuff basically not the case, I mean saying free stuff for many and most of your games as updates just for paying a monthly fee as well as offering you everything else is not not having the full game at start as you tried to put it - expansions for pc games then should be part of the main game and a stupid concept in your view then? etc You know you were over the top, lets move on

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PS blu-ray is crap anyway, its all about who gets their box unlocked first for some x264 high def playback

It should not win the war and consumers may not even get the chance as it looks to
The format will be on 360 as standard and heading to it since divx will be sorted with it and them and MS are in talks in regard to media center a apple tv for MS box and next step will be 360 as a result

matt5cott · **Reply #28 on:** February 13, 2008, 12:33:03 PM

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Reply #28 on: February 13, 2008, 12:33:03 PM

Quote from: Rivkid

In relation to the region thing most titles can be picked up for £25.00 from various forums within days of release - ok 2nd hand, but mint and still tradeable in the UK. Most places wont accept Asian release for trade so its not always a great idea. Also many Asian versions are region free and run fine on an unchipped 360 dont forget.

I really think anyone would have struggled to get the really big name titles second hand for £25 within days of release unless youre tremendously lucky! But yes if you go asian you really need to sell it on eBay when youre done, but the other advantage is you can get games a couple of weeks before theyre out here at times. Oh and chipping (flashed FW) makes no difference to the region free status of a game unfortunately

it does not allow you to play any region

I agree that the whole HDDVD/BLURAY issue is stupid because its a games console at the end of the day and I dont care what films it plays.

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Oh and whilst I know youll mock me - I think most 360 owners will agree that some of the most fun theyve had with a game is replaying certain points after youve completed it chasing some elusive achievement point!! Sounds daft but the extra life it breathes into games and the feeling of accomplishment when you get some of the hard ones makes your games go a lot further.

Ive done it a couple of times! but usually its only good for an extra hour or two, but still its added value

I love the xbox point scoring thing as it keeps track of your acheivments, its frustrating as if you game on the PS3 you get sod all to show for it

neXus · **Reply #29 on:** February 13, 2008, 12:34:22 PM

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Reply #29 on: February 13, 2008, 12:34:22 PM

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MS never said never when asked if they would make a blu ray player and said the 360 could handle it and the box would just be similar to the hd-dvd in terms of function so either choice he goes for blu ray in future an option and it does look like companies are taking blu ray as the choice for them

Unless you know something I dont Im unaware of Microsoft having a license even for the BluRay specs, let alone a development group. They could buy in the tech of course but short term Bluray on the 360 wont be popping up.

Full interview on other sites and I think I read it on gamespot but..
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4349238a18335.html
Only a snip of it but the MS guy basically said that they would like HD-DVD to be at least with blu-ray or win but said it is in an option to make the player and bragged that it would be relatively easy and While Sony are in part of the blu ray they are not sole and it is a movie format and the player would only be that not gaming and so gaming rival and license will not come to it as I remember the article saying by some standards or something about format etc and the movie companies etc if and when you create mediums for them your not allowed to limit them so basically sony would not be able to refuse ms doing it Like the folk creating duel players and it also mentioned MS may produce jsut a blu ray player or a duel one

Read this before xmas will try remember where I read it, may even have been on bbc site

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