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Xbox360...
on: September 05, 2006, 15:26:33 PM
i have been looking at getting an xbox360 as i love racing games... (i only bought the original Playstation for Gran Turismo and it was the only game i over had for it), i love the look of PGR3 for 360 - owned the original for the Xbox and loved that, too.

Questions...

how sh*te or good is the display coming from the 360 on a standard TV? i dont have a HDTV yet and the only other display i have is an Apple Cinema display (i imagine i could hook it up to that too).

Am i going to be slapped for not using a normal TV - is the quality much reduced?

How good are PGR3 and Ridge Racer on the 360?

answer at once!  :twisted:

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Reply #1 on: September 05, 2006, 15:31:48 PM
The quality is reduced but it still looks very good. The only thing I have had trouble with when using SD was with on screen text. Sometimes that is hard to read.

If you get a VGA cable (~£10 on eBay), you should be more than able to get HD on your Apple display :)

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Reply #2 on: September 05, 2006, 15:32:30 PM
I played PGR3 for 10 mins in a game store, and I have to say whilst it looked pretty I didnt find it anywhere near as engaging or realistic as GT4 on the PS2.  Might be because I didnt spend enough time with it, but it felt far more arcadey and removed from reality.

Shame really, Im a huge GT fan but Ill never pay sonys exorbitant prices for the sake of a single game :(

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Reply #3 on: September 05, 2006, 15:34:10 PM
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The quality is reduced but it still looks very good. The only thing I have had trouble with when using SD was with on screen text. Sometimes that is hard to read.

If you get a VGA cable (~£10 on eBay), you should be more than able to get HD on your Apple display :)


Just realised, its not VGA, but DVI [the cinema display]...

so i would need a VGA-->DVI converter as well as the VGA converter...  :?:

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Reply #4 on: September 05, 2006, 15:37:18 PM
Cant you get HDMI > DVI cables?  Thought it was just a different pinout  :?:

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actually this is probably what you want

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Reply #5 on: September 05, 2006, 15:39:55 PM
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Cant you get HDMI > DVI cables?  Thought it was just a different pinout  :?:

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ahhhh! thanks!  :D

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Reply #6 on: September 05, 2006, 15:40:35 PM
Sorry, edited my post again.  Think you want the other one.

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Reply #7 on: September 05, 2006, 16:04:47 PM
Ive just bought a VAG to DVI convert myself for the exact same reason ;) I havent had a chance to use it yet but it will hopefully be here tomorrow :)

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Reply #8 on: September 05, 2006, 18:53:44 PM
There is currently no way of using a Cinema display (transparent or silver) as a high def disaply with an XBox 360.  The reason being that apple removed the analog portion of their DVI connector for a pure digital connection.

One company is about to release a box to market which basically decodes the whole image and reencodes it all fast enough not to see screen lag.  Its going to retail for around £300 so pointless.  The circuitry and processing required to handle it realtime is expensive and complicated so dont consider trying to make your own (I looked into it as I have access to almost every microchip on the market (and some that arent), decent fabrication facilities and can handle a soldering iron with a bit of skill and it was far too much effort and going to cost around £200 to make in discounted components alone).

It is doubly annoying to note that the exact same panel (cheaper too) from Dell includes the needed analog circuitry in the screen plus additional component connection to remove the need for a special lead from Microsoft.

I have an XBox 360 and a cinema diaplay and a 360 and hoped to do exactly this.  Needless to say I searched high and low and it cannot be done.  Apple f**ked up by giving us yet another propriatary version of DVI which just misses out all the normal DVI pins and decoding circuitry required.  Your new cables wont do what you hope unfortunately :(

Coincidently a VGA -> DVI connector can never be high def as you cant get the info needed for high def out through a VGA connector.

finally Apple cinema displays cant handle resizing properly so even the low def signal you can get into them when running them as a TV will be distorted.

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Reply #9 on: September 06, 2006, 08:51:29 AM
I run my 360 over VGA at 1366x768 into a 26" Samsung LCD and it looks stunning.

PGR3 is quite arcadey - damage is only cosmetic, but it is an awesome game nonetheless. On the plus side, Forza 2 is on its way if youre looking something that is more realistic.
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Reply #10 on: September 06, 2006, 09:46:32 AM
And GTR2.

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Reply #11 on: September 06, 2006, 10:52:45 AM
I think after playing so much burnout & need for speed, if i went to playing a realistic car game i would go nuts :P
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Reply #12 on: September 06, 2006, 12:04:32 PM
Im really not bothered about damage.  As I see it, if a game is done well then the time lost alone during a crash should be enough incentive to avoid them.  Damage modelling is only useful for the little kids who want to have destruction derbys in Enzos.

Forcing you to retire when you hit a sidewall also pisses me right off, if I hit a wall in GT4 for example then it will stop be doing as well but at least I have the rest of the race to practice for another attempt.

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Reply #13 on: September 06, 2006, 12:18:14 PM
you might like PGR3

its a halfway house between sim and arcade tbh,

most of the time you can control slides like theyre nothing unless your inexperienced...
or if you just boot it on a class A car, half the time you end up 180 into a barrier.

brushing barriers does slow you down, so does running over grass / gravel on racetracks.

you get rewarded for driving cleanly round the track with lower times,
and if you dont get it sideways coming outta the corner you get a decent boost to speed, although half the fun is seeing the black lines go down and getting kudos points  :lol:

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