Author Topic: XHTML 2.0 - Dead (Read 1699 times)

neXus · **on:** July 04, 2009, 04:02:12 AM

XHTML 2.0 - Dead

on: July 04, 2009, 04:02:12 AM

Only for people who care this one.

XHTML 2.0 Was the next big update to XHTML.. It was competing for the prize of the next standard along with HTML5. XHTML as some of you know is more of a acurate markup over HTML. You must close tags and it forces you (in strict) to not have any style or size properties in your code and keep them to your style sheets etc. (More to it then this but in its basics)

HTML Is a good new standard with lots of cool features and better structural concepts for a web page and things like canvas and video/audio basically means you can build flash like sites without any form of flash, twice as fast, No where near the file sizes and fully controllable with Javascript and CSS.

XHTML2.0 Has some really cool elements and concepts and again requires proper mark up. While you can do so in HTML5.0 you do not have to close an image tag for example still.

The problem is what to do, any time you have two competing standards becomes annoying. With companies like google pushing HTML5 it is now the standard to advance too. W3 has decided to end development on XHTML2.0.
I like a lot of XHTML2.0 but I like HTML5.0 and it is good we have one standard now. The GOOD news is that the markup principles of closing tags etc and some other concepts will be added to HTML5.0s dtds.
This is great news, some of the best elements of XHTML2.0 will be in HTML5 and HTML5 is really cool.

I have the Palm Pre SDK and starting to learn to develop apps for it. It is HTML5 and CSS3 and JSON, Javascript etc based. It is really cool stuff and you can do a lot and has the potential for much more dynamic and rich apps compared to the iphone as a result.
I can not wait to properly start using CSS3 and HTML5, so much cool stuff to use.

ONE BIG problem though is, you guessed it - Microsoft.
Bunch of morons, IE8 is their new browser revision, just as Opera, Chrome, Firefox... Have their updates. Microsoft though are not taking any of these new standards to heart and who knows when they will properly support everything. They are like the loner in the corner of the playground.
Peeves me off big time, I mean why not?

In terms of CSS you have opacity to do transparency. The problem is if you do it on an element, its children also adopt that transparency and you have to do gay things to overcome this etc.

You can define an element with colour in the form of rgb(250,250,250), you can also define an rgba(250,250,250,0.3) with a being your alpha transparency and this will only apply to that element. Everyone but IE supports it already. Crazy stuff.

Forgot - Content Management Systems and how they have come along.

Mark · **Reply #1 on:** July 04, 2009, 21:40:00 PM

Re:XHTML 2.0 - Dead

Reply #1 on: July 04, 2009, 21:40:00 PM

It wont be long until all of the web languages are just article pages on wikipedia describing how web applications used to run.

BigSoy · **Reply #2 on:** July 04, 2009, 21:47:00 PM

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Reply #2 on: July 04, 2009, 21:47:00 PM

Quote from: Mark

It wont be long until all of the web languages are just article pages on wikipedia describing how web applications used to run.

Because of "The Cloud" etc?

Clock'd 0Ne · **Reply #3 on:** July 04, 2009, 22:35:23 PM

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Reply #3 on: July 04, 2009, 22:35:23 PM

The Cloud is like the Matrix.

I think Mark is The One!

Mark · **Reply #4 on:** July 04, 2009, 22:50:36 PM

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Reply #4 on: July 04, 2009, 22:50:36 PM

haha, not quite

Im just doing a lot of work at present with one of the big names in cloud computing - and you suck some of it in.

Some top class stuff coming our way in the following few years !

Clock'd 0Ne · **Reply #5 on:** July 04, 2009, 22:51:51 PM

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Reply #5 on: July 04, 2009, 22:51:51 PM

Im a believe it when I see it kind of person, hence this news is not surprising for me. Itll be interesting to see if The Cloud stuff does take off like you say!

White Giant · **Reply #6 on:** July 05, 2009, 00:58:35 AM

XHTML 2.0 - Dead

Reply #6 on: July 05, 2009, 00:58:35 AM

From a standard users POV - can I check my email, can I look at dirty pictures, can I talk to my friends, can I download *ahem* stuff?

Will anything change for the home user, or will it all be back-end?

neXus · **Reply #7 on:** July 05, 2009, 03:42:26 AM

XHTML 2.0 - Dead

Reply #7 on: July 05, 2009, 03:42:26 AM

Quote from: White Giant

From a standard users POV - can I check my email, can I look at dirty pictures, can I talk to my friends, can I download *ahem* stuff?

Will anything change for the home user, or will it all be back-end?

It is all about doing the things you would download an app for but doing it online. log in and go do your picture editing, document, group organisations, conversations... Etc.
In terms of the code - easier to create, more structured, more ability to do things, better looking sites which actually take less in terms of code, images etc to build and so will look good but run faster.
Combine what I am on about the code languages like Ruby, python... and the Cloud concepts etc you have a rich interactive internet With great intergeneration with sites.
Now I am sure you have heard of API for everything. Just really the next level of that really.

The thing as Mark also pointed out is all this is here/coming and doing cool things, more power to do things etc but it is also easier, simpler and better formed to boot. Would not say it is easy in the sense of Joe Blogs doing stuff but the people in the industry with more standardisation etc things just do what you want and how you expect in shorter code and set up with access to lots of things like Cloud servers and API thus making it easier to do.

The other thing you will here more and more of is "software as a service" , Paying monthly fees to use stuff rather then paying out right for a peace of software.

Sam · **Reply #8 on:** July 12, 2009, 22:07:59 PM

XHTML 2.0 - Dead

Reply #8 on: July 12, 2009, 22:07:59 PM

HTML5 will basically make f**k all difference for a few years.

CSS2 has been out for years and whats changed on the web since 2000? We have pages with huge chunky fonts and we call it web2

neXus · **Reply #9 on:** July 13, 2009, 01:06:33 AM

XHTML 2.0 - Dead

Reply #9 on: July 13, 2009, 01:06:33 AM

Quote from: Sam

HTML5 will basically make f**k all difference for a few years.

CSS2 has been out for years and whats changed on the web since 2000? We have pages with huge chunky fonts and we call it web2

Oh Dear.
Sam, you got an opinion which is fair enough, but seriously...

Sites not changed since 2000? ROFL.
Web2 - ROFL

Walrusbonzo · **Reply #10 on:** July 13, 2009, 19:55:05 PM

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Reply #10 on: July 13, 2009, 19:55:05 PM

You two are at it again like a pair of bitchy girls.

Serious · **Reply #11 on:** July 14, 2009, 19:34:06 PM

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Reply #11 on: July 14, 2009, 19:34:06 PM

I sometimes think they are going to announce getting married

Sam · **Reply #12 on:** July 15, 2009, 22:05:00 PM

XHTML 2.0 - Dead

Reply #12 on: July 15, 2009, 22:05:00 PM

Quote from: neXus

Quote from: Sam
HTML5 will basically make f**k all difference for a few years.

CSS2 has been out for years and whats changed on the web since 2000? We have pages with huge chunky fonts and we call it web2

Oh Dear.
Sam, you got an opinion which is fair enough, but seriously...

Sites not changed since 2000? ROFL.
Web2 - ROFL

ROLF ROLF, do you type your work emails like a teenager too ?

Anyway, what exactly has advanced since 2000? You tell me since youre the IT professional. We now have ajax so maybe shopping baskets update without a page refresh. Whoopie do.

neXus · **Reply #13 on:** July 16, 2009, 10:08:02 AM

XHTML 2.0 - Dead

Reply #13 on: July 16, 2009, 10:08:02 AM

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ROLF ROLF, do you type your work emails like a teenager too ?

Nope, Just laughing quite hard.

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Anyway, what exactly has advanced since 2000? You tell me since youre the IT professional. We now have ajax so maybe shopping baskets update without a page refresh. Whoopie do

You asking this, will just leave you to it. So much has changed to even ask this is well.... Just do not know what to say. There are people out of the loop and then there are people without a clue.
I could go on from standards, SEO, Styles, The code... All areas but it would be pages of pages if you have no idea what is different.

Mean response times, Net speed, Silverlight, Flash has come a long way, response sizes, tracing, object type evolution (Image formats if you dont know) , Traffic volume and size, html, xhtml has changed, Principles of code, standards, SEO, Design of sites, Web interfaces, The whole online web application and their design, Page Size, Code size, compression, caching, dynamic pages, javascripts evolution, ajax, JSON, Server code, Ruby on rails as it is now for example, Web infrastructure itself, conventions, mobile web, support for the mobile web, API evolution and expandability, usability, Browsers themselves, site layout - Grid systems etc, OO CSS conventions, XML Technologies, Social Networking!!!!!, widgets, Service-Oriented Architecture, Online profiling, tables gone to nice div layouts (IF you know what your doing, Style in style not inline (again if you know what your doing) , small things like in 2000/2001 being used (Not going to name names but someone here still does that) and not doing it now, Form Design, Online Storage, Form Function, Form Validation, Captcha and other anti spam approaches ..............

God, so many. You honestly not just being silly and asking that question sam?

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Youtube did not exist till 2005
Facebook went from "aboutface" as a web directory for businesses to "thefacebook" which was networks and colleges to "facebook" and today.

Facebook in 2001: http://web.archive.org/web/20010517235729/http://facebook.com/
Facebook Today: http://www.facebook.com/home.php

Youtube in 2005: http://web.archive.org/web/20050428014715/http://www.youtube.com/
Youtube today: http://www.youtube.com/

Digg from design to how it works and what it means and does for the web from 2005 to now, Not changed?

Honestly Sam, you are kidding?

Forgot about Blogging and Blogging technology, Twitter and like to ...

neXus · **Reply #14 on:** July 16, 2009, 10:16:59 AM

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Reply #14 on: July 16, 2009, 10:16:59 AM

Design:

Sites from 2004:

Now:

.. Some gorgous sites out there now, Using Grid systems, CSS design, Typography!

Typography, golden rule etc Are currently big things.. Nothing like it is now in 2000. CSS design only really started in 2004.

God, so much I could still go on about in all areas. Unless you live in a box and have no clue ,I mean..

News:

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