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Re: Burglar killed by man defending his home.
Reply #16 on: June 29, 2011, 15:07:51 PM
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Asked about what this would mean in practice, he said: "If an old lady finds she's got an 18 year old burgling her house and she picks up a kitchen knife and sticks it in him she has not committed a criminal offence and we will make that clear."

What if the old lady confronts the 18yo, and the youth puts his hands up and says "ok, you got me, I'll leave", has she still got the right?

(it might sound like I'm against this change in policy/wording, I'm not, I'm just playing devils advocate...)

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Reply #17 on: June 29, 2011, 16:12:37 PM
That's when you stab the little sh*te and play cook up a story and drop him in the meat grinder :thumbup:

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Reply #18 on: June 30, 2011, 04:14:54 AM
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Reply #20 on: July 05, 2011, 18:26:57 PM
Try saying that under the effects of adrenaline with 3 other guys wanting to kick your skull in.

Fair one but if they want to kick your skull in then they won't be either running away or lying unconscious on the floor. Like I said before - bunch of guys busting into your house is quite a threat - tis fairly reasonable to lash out with a knife if needed.

Stabbing someone in the back or repeatedly stabbing someone on the floor say would be unreasonable or whether or not your adrenalin is pumping or not. Having adrenalin pumping doesn't make you lose all self control or behave like a total retard - if someone is running away from you you'd have to make quite a conscious decision to chase after them and stab them in the back - that's just pure revenge/anger and ought to be prosecuted.

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Reply #21 on: July 05, 2011, 18:29:50 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13957587

About time :ptu:

Unfortunate if it has to be legislated as it shouldn't really be needed tbh... current laws ought to suffice - more leniency by the police, CPS re: what to pursue/prosecute and a more liberal interpretation by the courts of what 'reasonable force' can include should be sufficient. The laws have been in place for a while, tis the interpretation by the police, CPS and courts that has changed.

Tis also a nicely timed deflection after ken clark's 50% off for pleading guilty gaffe earlier. Wouldn't be surprised if this idea is subject to rather a lot of modification - tis likely another example of the PM stating something will change then having to backtrack a bit when reality sinks in. Not that I'm too critical of him but he does seem to get a bit over-enthusiastic, makes statements and then has to backtrack. Still at least he holds his hands up and admits something is a bad idea and on second thoughts will be revised.
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Re: Burglar killed by man defending his home.
Reply #22 on: July 07, 2011, 10:24:01 AM
Stabbing someone in the back or repeatedly stabbing someone on the floor say would be unreasonable or whether or not your adrenalin is pumping or not. Having adrenalin pumping doesn't make you lose all self control or behave like a total retard - if someone is running away from you you'd have to make quite a conscious decision to chase after them and stab them in the back - that's just pure revenge/anger and ought to be prosecuted.

Adrenaline effects people in different ways, as I'm sure you know it engages a flight or fight mode in the body, it does this by diverting blood from places like the brain to your muscles. Personally I could see it as fairly reasonable if someone went 'overboard' and hadn't been exposed to situations like this before, this is some serious caveman stuff kicking in here, bash skull, save own life.

Tunnel vision is one of the associated effects of adrenaline so again running after someone to muller them whilst may be deplorable again in the context isn't entirely 'surprising'

You write your points from a totally rational state which is fine, but under adrenaline you're not in this state, nowhere near it. I trained for 2 hours under these conditions and I struggled to write my name at the end, seriously.

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Reply #23 on: July 07, 2011, 10:53:10 AM
^^^ what he said....

add in the fact that you could have a wife and kids upstairs and you'll do anything you can to stop them.... I imagine once you start "fighting them off" is will be pretty hard to stop...

but what if you've been fighting for 5 min, you're totaly nackered and you don't know if you're going to fight him off or if he's going to kill you then go upstairs and rape your wife and kids ?   at that point... you'll be totaly happy jumping up and down on his head :s

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Reply #24 on: July 07, 2011, 12:45:03 PM
I trained for 2 hours under these conditions and I struggled to write my name at the end, seriously.

Can I just ask, was this towards infiltrating Val Verde? :lol:


People have been remarked to have shown inhuman strength, tolerance to pain and gone on to commit acts of violence plenty of times under immense emotional duress and the kick in of adrenaline, you cannot tell at all if two people will react the same way. You're a military man Dave so you should have a good understanding of it from being on tour, you must have experienced it? The only difference is you are probably trained to react to it.

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Re: Burglar killed by man defending his home.
Reply #25 on: July 07, 2011, 13:09:51 PM
I trained for 2 hours under these conditions and I struggled to write my name at the end, seriously.

Can I just ask, was this towards infiltrating Val Verde? :lol:


Yes! the worst part was where I got a go in the plane, but had to get out and start paddling :thumbdown:

On a more serious note it was FAST (Fear Adrenal Stress Training) that I did, on top of normal training which I won't go into.

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Reply #26 on: July 09, 2011, 11:15:46 AM
Sorry guy's but I'm not buying that I could perhaps see a point with regards to going too far once some burglar has been knocked down but there isn't any excuse for stabbing/shooting someone in the back when they're running away.

I've been in a fair few situations which make your heart beat rather faster than usual and whilst it can make you flap a bit you don't turn into some complete mong who doesn't know what he's doing. Burglar running away/escaping is not fair grounds for using lethal force IMO.

Re: Burglar killed by man defending his home.
Reply #27 on: August 12, 2011, 18:24:45 PM
Chasing someone down is more like the red mist than the rush of adrenalin, anger management required there but who knows, never been there myself.

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