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Is Chancellor George Osborne the right person?
on: December 20, 2011, 03:48:46 AM
I don't know, he just doesn't give the impression of being that competent in that job, or any other.

Then again, the whole government hasn't been that bright either. They were supposed to pull Britain out of the recession and we're in worse trouble now than when Labour was in power. Some of them seem to be unable to find their rears with a map, compass, satnav and both hands...

*pulls on fireproof suit*

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Re: Is Chancellor George Osborne the right person?
Reply #1 on: January 06, 2012, 22:04:32 PM
Thing is, its a Tory government.

They will cut everything to the bone just as Tories always have done. The caring Conservative that campaigned was just a rebranding excercise to stop the rot within the bigger brand.

As for Osborne, he is a rich person who really has no sense of what it means to be anything but rich and by the looks of his policy doesn't try to learn. That doesn't make him useless, it just makes him out of touch with all of us. Especially people who lean towards the left of the political spectrum.

Re: Is Chancellor George Osborne the right person?
Reply #2 on: January 07, 2012, 20:25:43 PM
Thing is, its a Tory government.

They will cut everything to the bone just as Tories always have done. The caring Conservative that campaigned was just a rebranding excercise to stop the rot within the bigger brand.

As for Osborne, he is a rich person who really has no sense of what it means to be anything but rich and by the looks of his policy doesn't try to learn. That doesn't make him useless, it just makes him out of touch with all of us. Especially people who lean towards the left of the political spectrum.

well... they gotta make cuts because of the problems labour caused again.
same thing happened last time tories followed labour into power.

sort out their mess, then everyone has a gutsful & votes in the people who was caused the problem

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Re: Is Chancellor George Osborne the right person?
Reply #3 on: January 08, 2012, 20:13:01 PM
well... they gotta make cuts because of the problems labour caused again.

Really? I thought that was caused by the fat cat businessmen and bankers betting huge amounts of money in what turned out to be worthless investments.

The cause is also a worldwide issue, not limited to the UK as with previous issues. Many countries banks invested heavily including Iceland, Japan, France and America.

A Tory government wouldn't have done any better and have done a lot worse since. We are barely bumping along the bottom at the moment.

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Reply #4 on: January 08, 2012, 20:27:12 PM
well... they gotta make cuts because of the problems labour caused again.

Really? I thought that was caused by the fat cat businessmen and bankers betting huge amounts of money in what turned out to be worthless investments.

The cause is also a worldwide issue, not limited to the UK as with previous issues. Many countries banks invested heavily including Iceland, Japan, France and America.

A Tory government wouldn't have done any better and have done a lot worse since. We are barely bumping along the bottom at the moment.

no, the banking sector didnt cause the hole that labour left. Labour threw money about all over the place. Just look how many wasted public sector posts they created.
The goverment debt isnt all down to the banks

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Re: Is Chancellor George Osborne the right person?
Reply #5 on: January 08, 2012, 20:29:10 PM
I can think of two things that Labour could have saved money on.

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U.K. war costs

As of March 2006, approximately £4.5 billion had been spent by the United Kingdom in Iraq. All of this money has come from a government fund called the "Special Reserve" which has a current allocation of £7.4 billion.[19][20]

As of June 2010 UK costs exceeded £20bn for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined.[21]

It is quite hard to judge a government on its term as there are probably loads of other things we are not aware of that they inherit.

My experience is they lie, the puplic are mostly ignorance or unable to do anything to change things. Maybe they should all jump in big brother and have done with it, at least then people will happily throw money at them.

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Reply #6 on: January 08, 2012, 21:31:34 PM
I can think of two things that Labour could have saved money on.

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U.K. war costs

As of March 2006, approximately £4.5 billion had been spent by the United Kingdom in Iraq. All of this money has come from a government fund called the "Special Reserve" which has a current allocation of £7.4 billion.[19][20]

As of June 2010 UK costs exceeded £20bn for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined.[21]

It is quite hard to judge a government on its term as there are probably loads of other things we are not aware of that they inherit.

My experience is they lie, the puplic are mostly ignorance or unable to do anything to change things. Maybe they should all jump in big brother and have done with it, at least then people will happily throw money at them.


how much did the falklands cost?

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Re: Is Chancellor George Osborne the right person?
Reply #7 on: January 08, 2012, 21:32:55 PM
well... they gotta make cuts because of the problems labour caused again.

Really? I thought that was caused by the fat cat businessmen and bankers betting huge amounts of money in what turned out to be worthless investments.

The cause is also a worldwide issue, not limited to the UK as with previous issues. Many countries banks invested heavily including Iceland, Japan, France and America.

A Tory government wouldn't have done any better and have done a lot worse since. We are barely bumping along the bottom at the moment.

no, the banking sector didnt cause the hole that labour left. Labour threw money about all over the place. Just look how many wasted public sector posts they created.
The goverment debt isnt all down to the banks

I certainly agree Labour spent tons, too much. But from the point of 1998 the public sector was a shambles, the NHS was disgraceful. That isn't to say they spent above their means. They certainly did, they were guilty of being overly optimistic on growth figures just like any other government in my memory has. The problem was the growth was built on sand.

The general thinking of nearly every single Western economy throughout the Labour government was that growth, any kind of growth, was all that was needed. It wasn't any worry if you run up a debt if you were growing, because you'd eventually be able to pay off the debt because of the extra tax revenue due to growth. The problem, of course, is that growth in the public sector not backed up by the private sector causes exactly the problem we are having now.

Thing is though, the amount of cuts that are taking place right now are widely being forecast to cause just the thing everyone fears. A stagnation of growth or even recession. Cuts definitely have to be made, its just whether or not you take a longer view or shorter view.

Either way we're all in the sh*t.

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Re: Is Chancellor George Osborne the right person?
Reply #8 on: January 09, 2012, 14:20:08 PM
I can think of two things that Labour could have saved money on.

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U.K. war costs

As of March 2006, approximately £4.5 billion had been spent by the United Kingdom in Iraq. All of this money has come from a government fund called the "Special Reserve" which has a current allocation of £7.4 billion.[19][20]

As of June 2010 UK costs exceeded £20bn for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined.[21]

It is quite hard to judge a government on its term as there are probably loads of other things we are not aware of that they inherit.

My experience is they lie, the puplic are mostly ignorance or unable to do anything to change things. Maybe they should all jump in big brother and have done with it, at least then people will happily throw money at them.

I agree, with hindsight  Iraq could have been left as it was and the government not bothered supporting the US in the invasion of Afghanistan. It seems that a lot of 'evidence' in the case of Iraq was created rather than investigated.

BUT... they could also have saved many more billions by not bailing out the banks...

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The thread wasn't intended as a Labour VS Conservative issue but a question of the present Conservative/Liberal leadership being the best available. So far it looks like Osbourne was given the position out of cronyism rather than actual capability. I'm damn sure that they should have more capable people than him to do the job.

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Re: Is Chancellor George Osborne the right person?
Reply #9 on: January 09, 2012, 17:40:29 PM
I can think of two things that Labour could have saved money on.

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U.K. war costs

As of March 2006, approximately £4.5 billion had been spent by the United Kingdom in Iraq. All of this money has come from a government fund called the "Special Reserve" which has a current allocation of £7.4 billion.[19][20]

As of June 2010 UK costs exceeded £20bn for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined.[21]

It is quite hard to judge a government on its term as there are probably loads of other things we are not aware of that they inherit.

My experience is they lie, the puplic are mostly ignorance or unable to do anything to change things. Maybe they should all jump in big brother and have done with it, at least then people will happily throw money at them.


how much did the falklands cost?

I have no idea was before my time. :p

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The thread wasn't intended as a Labour VS Conservative issue but a question of the present Conservative/Liberal leadership being the best available. So far it looks like Osbourne was given the position out of cronyism rather than actual capability. I'm damn sure that they should have more capable people than him to do the job.

Who would you have picked? Needs one of those rare breed that actually cares and wants to chnge the world for the better.



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Re: Is Chancellor George Osborne the right person?
Reply #10 on: January 09, 2012, 19:18:49 PM
I can think of two things that Labour could have saved money on.

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U.K. war costs

As of March 2006, approximately £4.5 billion had been spent by the United Kingdom in Iraq. All of this money has come from a government fund called the "Special Reserve" which has a current allocation of £7.4 billion.[19][20]

As of June 2010 UK costs exceeded £20bn for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined.[21]

It is quite hard to judge a government on its term as there are probably loads of other things we are not aware of that they inherit.

My experience is they lie, the puplic are mostly ignorance or unable to do anything to change things. Maybe they should all jump in big brother and have done with it, at least then people will happily throw money at them.


how much did the falklands cost?

I have no idea was before my time. :p

£1.19 Billion.

Re: Is Chancellor George Osborne the right person?
Reply #11 on: January 09, 2012, 20:07:45 PM
btw, we are still paying america for bailing us out ww2, shall we blame tories for that as well?

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Re: Is Chancellor George Osborne the right person?
Reply #12 on: January 09, 2012, 20:57:15 PM

£1.19 Billion.

Cheap.

btw, we are still paying america for bailing us out ww2, shall we blame tories for that as well?

Read up this is not a Conservative Vs Labour thread.  I'm curious how much do we still owe?

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Re: Is Chancellor George Osborne the right person?
Reply #13 on: January 10, 2012, 03:21:44 AM
btw, we are still paying america for bailing us out ww2, shall we blame tories for that as well?

Read up this is not a Conservative Vs Labour thread.  I'm curious how much do we still owe?

Absolutely nothing! The last payment was made in 1996.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4757181.stm

As to the Falklands war we very nearly lost, had the Argentinians used different tactics we would have done.

According to Thatcher the war cost $1.19 billion, about £700 million. It also cost 255 British and 649 Argentinian lives.

The proviso is that it was back in 1982, thirty years ago. Inflation means it would be considerably more costly now.

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Re: Is Chancellor George Osborne the right person?
Reply #14 on: January 10, 2012, 10:17:43 AM
Often "red" government has to repair "blue" gov. cuts and blue has to cut to pay for the red spending, it is long term strategies that is needed but in morden economy there is most often quick gaines that counts and the twain does not meet.

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