But when was the last time you drove your car indoors?? Think you missed the point of the smoking ban TBH. Its just in enclosed areas

no, i got the point of the smoking ban, but car massed cars fumes choke you just as well as someone smoking.  I ride a bike quite lot, mainly to work these days as the bike park is next to the back door, and the carpark is half a mile from the office. The trucks belching out clouds of deisel smoke are particularly annoying, when they accelerate the stink and fumes are awful.  however I cant really complain because i choose to do what i do.  I remember one of he girls i know telling us about rish hour in Chicago, Aparrently at certain times of the day masks arent really optional.  Same girl recons you really need breathing apparatus in tokyo because its even worse!  

as i siad, im not overly bothered about the smoking ban in the long term, itll be slightly irritating that i wont be able to nip into the pub on the way home for a pint and a cig while i chill out, but in the end ill jst spend my money elsewhere in another bar where i can smoke in comfort.

If im in an area, outside the fabric of the building that the landlord has kindly provided for smokers usage then a non-smoker has no right into it and moan about smoke.  The Licencee has paid for the smoking area out of his own pocket to give his customers somewhere to smoke.  Nothing wrong with it, because if the licencee welcomes smokers its pretty much tough.  none of us here have a _right_ to enter a pub and be served anyway.  

And smokers are going to go into the plastic tent while their non-smoking friends stay in a nice warm pub? Either the non-smokers are going to feel pressurised to go with the smokers or the smokers are going to refrain from smoking.

Actually the law has nothing really to do with the rights of non-smoking people wanting a quiet drink and plenty to do with the rights of non-smoking employees not having to breathe pollutants while they work...

It has personal benefits to them, though.

What benefits?? My misses smokes and i am an ex smoker. I never noticed any benefits TBPFH.

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Actually you can, a single packet can easily contain enough to kill someone, but the chances are you will feel far too ill to take any more before you get close to the level that will kill you. Nicotine is a very nasty substance.

most folks i know who smoke can easily chew through a full pack on a night drinking and not even feel quesy from it.  

Because your liver processes it very quickly, Some people get through 80 a day but what they dont do is smoke them all at once. smoking tobacco is also one of the least effective ways of getting the nicotine into your body. They also regulate their intake by the number of inhilations they take.

All that means they never have enough nicotine in their body at one moment to feel ill. There is actually an experiment wherea smoker speeds through as many fags as they can taking deep puffs but not pausing between them, even extremely adicted smokers end up feeling terrible.

Take a pack of ciggies extract the nicotine and take that, or dont as its a lethal dose... A single ciggie can have 6mg, although 4 mg is more likely, a pack of 20 qould give 80mg. 40-60mg will kill opposed to hard drugs which require about 1,000mg.

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It has personal benefits to them, though.

What benefits?? My misses smokes and i am an ex smoker. I never noticed any benefits TBPFH.

A distraction, momentary stress relief,a timeout, a quick shot of happy. Whatever you want to call it. How much did you smoke and were you a social smoker? That has a lot of bearing on things I would imagine.

I smoked about 20-25 a day for about 7years. I agree you got the sense of a stress relief but the stress was probably brought on mainly from not having enough nicotine in your body.

ahh the employees angle, was waiting for that one, and its still a crap reason.  If the licencee wants to allow smoking then he should be allowed to, but he should eplain the possible health risks.  If you knowingly go into a dangerous situation as part of your job, and you took that job knowing full well the possible risks then you have accepted those risks.  End Of Story.  

yeah - feck health and safety - its up to the boss whether the workers have to work in a smokey environment ?? - some of those people dont really have any alternatives btw... - it isnt really fair on them. I dont think too many people do crappy low paid jobs purely out of choice - they do it because they need the money so it shouldnt simply be a case of the boss decides - there should be no reason for staff to be unnecessarily put at risk in thier place of work.

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ahh the employees angle, was waiting for that one, and its still a crap reason.  If the licencee wants to allow smoking then he should be allowed to, but he should eplain the possible health risks.  If you knowingly go into a dangerous situation as part of your job, and you took that job knowing full well the possible risks then you have accepted those risks.  End Of Story.  

yeah - feck health and safety - its up to the boss whether the workers have to work in a smokey environment ?? - some of those people dont really have any alternatives btw... - it isnt really fair on them. I dont think too many people do crappy low paid jobs purely out of choice - they do it because they need the money so it shouldnt simply be a case of the boss decides - there should be no reason for staff to be unnecessarily put at risk in thier place of work.

by explaining the problem he gives them a choice to still take the job or not, and in the public bar payscale youll find other jobs that pay the same and dont mean working in a smokey atmosphere.  Soldiers are likely to be shot at, and they take their job knowing this.  They dont expect the other dudes to not shoot at them because its dangerous.  :\