Stop acting so damn hard done by.  Its not going to do you any harm to pop outside for a fag, and itll keep everyone else happy.  Hardly much of a sacrifice is it?

im not acting hard done to, im just pointing out that the smoking ban has _nothing_ to do with fresh air at work.  If fresh air at work was the aim then McDonalds would be frying food outside as well.

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Like FOR fresh air in work environments.

hahaha

Yeah really?  If that is true then how come the legislation doesnt mention anything about Sewage Farms, Welding shops, Drain Workers, Mechanics etc etc etc?  

Its got bugger all to do with clean air at work, its a law targeted at a Minority.

Its a health risk. Health and safety laws state that they should provide a safe working environment. Carcenogenic smoke does not make for a safe working environment, and im surprised that such legislation has not gone through before as its a massive loophole in the law as it stands.

2nd hand smoke with the proper ventilation system is a small risk compared to other occupations. Of course new employees should be informed about possible risk, but after that, its their choice.

Its not coal mining, fer crying out loud.  

My point is until now employers of bar workers have been exempt from providing "proper equipment required for the safety of your employees" because it was seen as "part of the job".

This in my opinion is wrong. In any other occupation you would be given ventilators/dust masks or indeed have a "proper ventilation system".

Problem is there is no specification for a ventilation system adequate enough to offer the safe removal of any and all harmful compounds in the smoke for use in a public house/bar.

Now the government has stepped in and instead of enforcing expensive refits or kit needs to deal with the problem, they have in fact tackled the issue of health and safety in the workplace, and public health all in one go with a measure that will make the least number of pubs suffer.

Cough up dosh for a full fume cupboard type system in a pub... or cough up the dough for masks and ventilators for all your staff... or just ban smoking.

In the large proportion of cases smokers will continue to go there, they just wont smoke (Ive yet to meet a smoker who cant wait a little longer until they have a puff, most smoke because they find it quite relaxing... not because they are craving the nicotine). Others... will find other establishments that have made some simple modifications (a canvas awning on a beer garden does not cost a lot of dosh in comparison to other methods of dealing with smokers).

140 pubs out of just how many pubs in scotland?!... I think its an acceptable loss if thats the case, and to be honest I cant see that actual outcome happening anyway.

 :shock: Had no idea such devices were effective in a bar.

Over here smoke filled dens of death is pretty much the norm. Weatherspoons pubs being amongst the worse as they seem to believe placement of a floor standing sign saying "no-smoking" stops all smoke in its tracks.

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The pub isnt your living room, its the landlord/landladys.  If they want to allow smoking then they should be able to, however if i was invited round to your house I either wouldnt smoke, or i would go outside for a cig, i wouldnt even ask you if i could smoke in the house.  Hell i even have a nasty habit of asking if people mind me smoking in my OWN house!

The no smoking ban is still for the protection of employees, not non-smoking people buying drinks. Perhaps you would like everyone else to go outside, including the staff while you smoked?

read up the thread, comments about knowing the risks and supplying relevant PPE

There isnt always a choice for the staff and its law in other buildings, this just brings some of those left out into line.