I think you chaps have a bit of Trump bashing tunnel vision, as much as the guy is a dick you're both talking about the wrong court case, the one thrown out of the supreme court isn't his, he's taking part in Texas +18 other states VS Penns/Georg/Wisc/Michi which I'd describe as some sort of royal rumble mashup and yes that may still be thrown out of the Supreme court.

As for the videos being "debunked" In what I'd put politely as in a partisan manner, there will always be an "Explanation"

Who do you think prompted this court case? Trump asked for the case, it's his supporters that pushed for it.

As to your supposed second case. it seems to be ONLY TEXAS. That would be FEDERAL government interfering in STATE government. Basically the same case but with four defendants, and equally unlikely to succeed. They have offered no evidence.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/08/texas-sues-four-battleground-states-in-supreme-court-over-unlawful-election-results.html

I think you chaps have a bit of Trump bashing tunnel vision, as much as the guy is a dick you're both talking about the wrong court case, the one thrown out of the supreme court isn't his, he's taking part in Texas +18 other states VS Penns/Georg/Wisc/Michi which I'd describe as some sort of royal rumble mashup and yes that may still be thrown out of the Supreme court.

As for the videos being "debunked" In what I'd put politely as in a partisan manner, there will always be an "Explanation"

Far From it, I am very big on facts, learning about things making sure I have the correct information - checking multiple sources and understanding what is going on in what I see.
I am not referring to any particular court case. The Trump Lawyers are 1-51 I think still right now which looks to be nearly 1-60 maybe even by the end of the week. Most of the "Evidence" presented online or in these fake hearings only a handful have actually been presented in court and have been smashed by the courts and slammed for being nothing but hearsay.


The new one with Texas and the states has been slammed by pretty much everyone, not for Trump but for all the party members who think they need to do this to be in good favour for the Trump supporters.


This is what it is now, Trump is a mental and one of the biggest idiots out there but he has resonated with the idiots out there and there is sadly A LOT OF THEM
From that many in Republican party seem to think they need to hold on to those numbers some how and they can only do that by looking like they supported Trump and it was the other "Powers" that they lost - They tried for "Their Man". Dammed if it is destroying the US constitution or anything else - A very dangerous game which will clearly fall on it's face.


In terms of the videos there is more than "Explanations" but real world proof to show they are not Fraud. I literally watched a video of someone trying to hack the same voting machines with a USB to prove you can not input via that method. I have seen the other part of the video footage (not shown in the "Fraud proof") showing the same person going over to the computer to plug in the USB and use it with the software to pull the data out.

He looks like one of the biggest Trump supporters, there are reasons why he might be faking it. Firstly he wants a presidential pardon, the feds are investigating him for multiple crimes. Secondly he might be trying to get the backing of the Trump voters.

Either way this is one State trying to interfere with the election rules of another state - I'm fairly sure that it is not legal under the constitution.

Captain Orange won't be happy with that, he'd put his name to it quite publicly, what's left... In the last 12 hours or so Sidney Powell has put in 4 cases specifically alleging fraud in Georgia, Michigan, Arizona and Wisconsin apparently they "prove massive fraud"


Maajid Nawaz did an interesting thread on where Trumper can go from here, https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1337704197509308417 the following being the fruitiest link of the lot https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/

In the last 12 hours or so Sidney Powell has put in 4 cases specifically alleging fraud in Georgia, Michigan, Arizona and Wisconsin apparently they "prove massive fraud"

"‘Few lawsuits breathe more lies than this one’: Judge eviscerates Sidney Powell election lawsuit" These do not appear to be new but an attempt to appeal to the supreme court because they were lodged a week after they should have been and with no evidence while asking the judges to overrule millions of votes in Trump's favour.

From link "A team of attorneys relying on conspiracies and misinformation to argue President Donald Trump actually won the election in Michigan filed a legal long shot Friday in the hopes the U.S. Supreme Court will take up their case before the Electoral College votes on Monday. Local and national legal experts told the Free Press on Saturday the court will not take up the request, but said the efforts of Sidney Powell and her team continue to undermine the will of voters in Michigan and confidence in the electoral system."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ex-trump-attorney-files-legal-hail-mary-asks-supreme-court-to-review-michigan-case/ar-BB1bSoA1

electoral college has voted, Biden wins.

Watching the Trumper's going "Still not over" and things like "Not final" is really funny!
Watching a republican live on CNN just refuse to answer basic questions and bark the same fraud and "free election" crap and forced to say he did not accept Biden as President Elect was pretty funny as well today.


The Republican party is a shambles and in a right mess. All their supports are Trumper's and they doubled down on Trump and it has (As expected) has all backfired and they are in a mess. You have others who are either just nuts, looking for a pardon for something or for what ever reason backing Trump to try and get some of favour from his supporters.

Not only are people more partisan than ever and will-double down on anything fed to them via their social media echo chamber of choice, but the Overton window is also moving at a scary rate into extreme territories.

I don't think things will improve at all under Biden; even if he was a capable President I don't believe there's enough time and support to make meaningful political, social or economic change. At best we might have better international relations due to the new foreign policy team?