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Just not happy with my Sigma :(
on: February 03, 2012, 22:48:34 PM
I bought a Sigma 70-200 F2.8 a good while back and tbh never really been happy with the results I get with it.

My GF is into photography and got this shot with a Canon EOS 400D and a Canon 55-250 IS EF-S lens:


IMG_6199 by _jenward, on Flickr

When I compare this to mine I'm just not happy, can never seem to get really sharp shots with good definition, here one of the better I have taken with it:

Canon EOS 50D with Sigma 70-200 F2.8:


IMG_3586 by Adam Woodford, on Flickr

Im not sure what it is, technique/talent or lack of any stabilisation, or maybe the lens just isn't great...

What do people think?

Toying with the idea of changing it for a Canon EF 70-200mm F2.8 L IS II USM lens but at £1600 that's a fair wedge if it doesnt really help...
Last Edit: February 03, 2012, 22:50:20 PM by Binary Shadow #187;

Re: Just not happy with my Sigma :(
Reply #1 on: February 03, 2012, 23:02:32 PM
Yeah it does look a little soft, don't think its front or back focusing as there isn't anything obvious that's really, might still be worth testing it though.  This is the one I used a while ago, proved that my 18-200 doesn't focus too well on my D7000 http://focustestchart.com/focus21.pdf

Another thing to try is to stick it on a tripod and focus on something random and see at what point it becomes sharp, if ever.

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Re: Just not happy with my Sigma :(
Reply #2 on: February 04, 2012, 07:13:54 AM
From the Exif

GF
Exposure   0.004 sec (1/250)
Aperture   f/8.0
Focal Length   250 mm
ISO Speed   800
Exposure Bias   -1/3 EV

You
Exposure   0.004 sec (1/250)
Aperture   f/4.5
Focal Length   200 mm
ISO Speed   1600
Exposure Bias   0 EV

To me it looks like your GF shot hers on a day or time when it was much sunnier, and you shot either darker overcast, which resulted in your GF being able to use f8, which from what I have always been told is most lenses "sweet spot". Plus the lighting would help with contrast etc, and she has a better background to contrast against the bird.

As Russell says, compare using a tripod. Ideally same conditions and settings for both?

Do you really want the 70-200 f2.8L? Why not something like the 24-105L F4. It may be a bit slower, but it's cheaper, and on the plus side it eliminates overlap with your bigma?

The times I need to do low-light indoor stuff I use my F2.8 Tamron 17-55, as you never really need more zoom than that indoors, that or my 100mm f2.8 macro if its a gig maybe.


Besides, this is all irrelevant...the main thing to discuss here is...GF?

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Reply #3 on: February 04, 2012, 07:14:55 AM
Actually, if you've got the wonga to splash out on the 70-200...why not sell the bigma, and with combined money you could get the 24-105 L and 100-400L...?

Re: Just not happy with my Sigma :(
Reply #4 on: February 04, 2012, 09:50:28 AM
Besides, this is all irrelevant...the main thing to discuss here is...GF?

Nice to see your getting to crux of the problem there zypder  ;D

Re: Just not happy with my Sigma :(
Reply #5 on: February 04, 2012, 10:39:01 AM
Besides, this is all irrelevant...the main thing to discuss here is...GF?
LOL thought I had mentioned this to you but clearly not.. been together since August.

Re: Just not happy with my Sigma :(
Reply #6 on: February 04, 2012, 14:10:18 PM
If you are looking at a 70 - 200, I have the F4L Canon, and for the price you can pick them up they are an amazing lens, I got mine third hand and it takes some of the crispest shots even when there isn't a lot of light round!

Re: Just not happy with my Sigma :(
Reply #7 on: February 04, 2012, 14:39:34 PM
Im tempted to sell off both the Sigma's I run and just get the canon 100-400:


lenses1 by Adam Woodford, on Flickr

But.. iv never used the push pull zoom, I dont know how much I would miss the extra 100mm but im pretty sure the IQ would be better? also dont know how much i'll miss the F2.8, but it would be a shed load cheaper....

Opinions?

Im not sure how the EF 28-135 stands in terms of IQ but I tend to try and use it rather than the sigma when I can.. thats probably enough to tell you im no fan of the sigma..
Last Edit: February 04, 2012, 14:45:29 PM by Binary Shadow #187;

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Reply #8 on: February 04, 2012, 16:08:56 PM
Im tempted to sell off both the Sigma's I run and just get the canon 100-400:

You're welcome to borrow mine if you want to give it a try. I doubt you'd miss the extra 100mm, I'd imagine if you're not close enough at 400mm you won't be at 500mm either, and the extra IQ from the L glass would probably mean less cropping needed etc?

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Re: Just not happy with my Sigma :(
Reply #9 on: February 05, 2012, 08:43:51 AM
When I compare this to mine I'm just not happy, can never seem to get really sharp shots with good definition, here one of the better I have taken with it:

Canon EOS 50D with Sigma 70-200 F2.8:


IMG_3586 by Adam Woodford, on Flickr

Im not sure what it is, technique/talent or lack of any stabilisation, or maybe the lens just isn't great...

What do people think?

Feathers nearest the camera look to be in focus while the rest of the bird isn't. The focus on the thing the bird is standing on seems to confirm this, the closest point is actually in much better focus than the furthest. It therefore looks like the camera/lens is focusing short.  When taking pics like this you need a high shutter speed but it also affects depth of focus. In order to put the background out of focus you need a Wide aperature but not too wide, try max 5.6 or 8.

One option is to stretch a measuring tape along the line of sight so you can check where the focus is happening.

In the end you might find it's the camera and not the lens that's getting it wrong.
Last Edit: February 05, 2012, 08:45:33 AM by Serious #187;

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Re: Just not happy with my Sigma :(
Reply #10 on: February 05, 2012, 21:18:07 PM
If you are looking at a 70 - 200, I have the F4L Canon, and for the price you can pick them up they are an amazing lens, I got mine third hand and it takes some of the crispest shots even when there isn't a lot of light round!

I was going to say this... I don't own the lens myself but it seems to be generally well regarded - also somewhat cheaper than your 2.8 sigma...

How often do you need to open it up that wide? - would F4 be usable - perhaps see if you can borrow/rent one and compare - at least you'd maybe establish if the lens itself is causing you issues.

Re: Just not happy with my Sigma :(
Reply #11 on: February 12, 2012, 12:35:35 PM
Well i chucked the 2 Sigma's on ebay

Went out the weekend and tried out Zpyder's L series goodness... very nice!

Re: Just not happy with my Sigma :(
Reply #12 on: February 12, 2012, 12:43:27 PM
100-400L:


Oyster Catchers by Adam Woodford, on Flickr

24-105L:


Robin by Adam Woodford, on Flickr

Looks like the camera works properly.. day was cold and hazy over the water so the shot at 400mm could have been better IMO

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Re: Just not happy with my Sigma :(
Reply #13 on: February 12, 2012, 18:28:25 PM
Camera & post-production comparison ;)

Annoyingly they were to the right of the frame so you can probably see the line where I've done a bit of cloning of the sky to shift the Oyster catchers more central/left...

100-400L:


Oyster Catchers by Adam Woodford, on Flickr


Oyster catchers by Chris_Moody, on Flickr

Re: Just not happy with my Sigma :(
Reply #14 on: February 12, 2012, 18:33:32 PM
I saw that and wondered why it was soo much lighter, that shopping?

Can see the line, does the lens not have peripheral illumination correction?

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