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Todays ramble...
on: June 13, 2009, 20:30:17 PM
Went for a walk today as its the first weekend in a few that Ive decided to be "non working" and refuse to do any tidbits of work. It can all wait till the start of next week!

So, 8.5 miles later and Ive filled my memory card up (450ish photos) with pics of dragonflies.

Using a Sigma 70-300 1:4-5.6 DG Macro lens.

The results are below, and these are my BEST results. I am trying to decide how much of the blur is my ineptitude at photography, and how much is down to the quality of the lens. I mean, it costs ~£70, as opposed to the £200+ "proper" macro lenses.

Im guessing its mostly me as sometimes I do get some good shots, but nearly always when using the lens the end product is slightly out of focus or extremely soft at the least.



















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Reply #1 on: June 13, 2009, 21:32:58 PM
Theyre still quite good for *just* a £70 lens, if you manage to get yourself a proper macro lens you should be able to get some really good results.

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Reply #2 on: June 14, 2009, 01:14:57 AM
I love the top one and the spider.

Id crop the top one so the insect is in the middle of the frame or crop it so that its long and thin and its at one end of the picture.

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Reply #3 on: June 14, 2009, 09:44:31 AM
I struggle with the whole "rule of 3rds" thing. I either end up whacking the subject bang in the middle, or take it to the extremes ><

Would you guys say that a lot of the softness is due to the lens, and not me? (I wonder as as I said, sometimes I get a really clear picture, but its by total fluke, even when I use a tripod and take a dozen shots of the same stationary thing, 1 out of the set might be clear, the rest really soft!)

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Reply #4 on: June 14, 2009, 21:14:44 PM
Youll pickup the rule of 3rds the longer youve been taking photos.  Course the thing is even when you take photos using it the rule doesnt always work so sometimes its easier to break the rule and just take the photo rather than bugger about trying to conform to something that doesnt always work.

I find thats part of macro photography, your bound to get lots that are blurry as you adjust things.  One thing that might help is a remote release, got one last year and it helped me get this one.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3175/3072016906_b07101d615.jpg

But I did read somewhere online recently saying that you shouldnt use a tripod for macro photography but that you just need good light, especially for bugs.

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Reply #5 on: June 14, 2009, 22:09:23 PM
Remote release? as in a remote? How would that work for macro stuff, given that generally you might not be using a tripod and so need both hands to hold the camera?

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Reply #6 on: June 15, 2009, 02:46:46 AM
Put camera on tripod and a remote release will allow you to reduce the impact of pushing the button to an absolute minimum.

Not useful if you are doing it hand held though.

I wouldnt bother too much in macro with thirds, you are after the subject, not the surrounding greenage.

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Reply #7 on: June 16, 2009, 21:42:07 PM
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Remote release? as in a remote? How would that work for macro stuff, given that generally you might not be using a tripod and so need both hands to hold the camera?


Yeah I know thats half the point, theres no set way of doing it, anything goes.  But mainly if its a static subject, tripod and remote release if it moves then so do you.

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Reply #8 on: June 18, 2009, 00:25:29 AM
Thats one of the reasons I went for a monopod, its not as clumsy to carry as a tripod and its not too bad at steadying the camera.

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Reply #9 on: June 18, 2009, 08:46:48 AM
I was using one for some of the shots. The problem with this lens is that it seems to soft focus things even with a tripod a lot of the time :(

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Reply #10 on: June 20, 2009, 19:33:12 PM
what aperture were you using Zpyder? its hard to tell sharpness from small versions on the forum, but the one which looks to me most "unsharp" is the 3rd one. Given that some of the shots appear to be quite acceptable (the 4th one looks good), Id suggest the following possibilities:

1. Consumer grade long zooms like this one tend to be soft wide open, particularly at the long end. This is made worse by the close focus which really stretches the capabilities of the glass. Keep the lens stopped down to about F8 if you can and you should see an improvement.

2. Focusing at macro distances is critical, and its very easy to drift off once you have acquired focus.

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Reply #11 on: June 20, 2009, 19:34:02 PM
good pics by the way, I have a soft spot for closeups of butterflies, dragonflies, damselflies and the like.

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Reply #12 on: June 20, 2009, 19:47:03 PM
Cheers mongoose.

The pictures should link to the flickr pictures, which also have the full sized ones available. Im not sure what aperture they were, but think they were all mostly around thr 5.6 mark.

I think for what I want a 100mm macro lens would be useful, though really a 200mm lens would be better as generally my subject is either botanical or entomological, or both. And quite often if its a plant its in a place that wont allow me to get close!

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Reply #13 on: June 20, 2009, 22:48:20 PM
trouble is 200mm Macros are serious money, Sigma make one at the "budget" end of the ~200mm macro market, I think its about £800!! The Pentax FA 200mm Macro is supposed to be the best macro ever made by anyone, but they are rare as hens teeth and if Sir has to ask the price, Sir cannot afford it.

My weapon of choice in this arena is a Tamron 90mm macro for which I have a matched 2x converter to give me 180mm when I need it. £50 second hand, although EOS adaptall mounts are rather hard to come by so may not be such a good option for you.

Definitely keep an eye out for a ~100mm macro though, I dont think a bad one has ever been made. Even the rather plastic Cosina 100mm F3.5 macro has good glass, it just looks and feels plastic.

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Reply #14 on: June 21, 2009, 04:38:11 AM
a 90mm would make a reasonable portrait lens too, although slightly long for the smaller digital sensors.

The shorter lens is probably going to have a better f number, meaning faster exposures and possibly less blur. You might need to get a bit closer to the subject but it wont amplify any movements you put in anywhere near as much.

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