Fantastic! Honda bought out by Ross Brawn to be run as Brawn GP this season. Keeping Jensen and Rubens which is a smart move IMO.
http://www.brawngp.com/
Great to have a british owner with a british driver. Lets hope they have a successful future.
Wow, Good on him for a start, got signed up to run it then Honda ditch them soon after, must have been well annoying.
Shows though how loaded he must be, yeah he probably has had lots of support also but if branson did not buy it he still must have put in a lot of his own money.
Apaprently Jensens had the new car out around Silverstone today
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45542000/jpg/_45542007_brawnbody466.jpg)
Well theyve been in the top five at every practise session, and came first in both the final two practises Theyve been completing full race distances with no problems and had a fastest lap a full second ahead of the nearest rival in both the final sessions.
This car looks bloody good.......... FINALLY!!! :)
He is good and that is why so many wanted to keep the team going and why many worked for nothing over the period of looking for a buyer. With the bad seasons and Brawn on board and the car designers working from scratch for this season they knew they could develop and had a good car. Jenson people do not rate I know but he has had a lot of bad luck and I feel for the guy. Stick him in a car that can compete and he will.
Mclaren though I am worried about, their new car with the 2009 wing on is sh*tE!!! and they know it!
They need to do some massive work to sort that car out.
Im really not suprised tbh. Ive had 2 major predictions in my head for some months now.
I expected one of the top teams, be it ferrari or mclaren to really get it wrong this year, and misterpreted the rules in their design. I also expect one of the midfield pack to really break through this year, my eye is on Vettel, as much as I normally of stunning cars being fast as well which the RB5 is looking.
Brawn GP does not suprise me in the least, the Honda team were working on the 2009 car last year in mid season, they if anyone should have a better understanding of KERS. McLaren have literally decided to develop the new car, after the season was done and focus on 2008.
Id also keep an eye on Alonso as ugly as the Renault is.
That first "GO" on the grid is going to look so odd. With them not so wide, that shot of them going off when the lights go green is going to be so strange.
Planet F1 are campagining for the grid start to be show from overhead so you can see who ploughs into who!
Totally agree about Jensen - think he wil be a real contender this year. There was an interview with Martin Brundle last year where he said a lot of people think poorly of Jensen at home because of results but he said inside F1 hes considered to be one of the best drivers on the grid, especially for developing the car.
McLaren are scaring me but I have a sneaky feeling from what theyve said in the last 24 hours that theyll pull it off. They are cutting it bloody fine though!
http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5062258,00.html
BrawnGP have done the first 1.17 lap time! Jesus that car is quick!
Quote from: RivkidPlanet F1 are campagining for the grid start to be show from overhead so you can see who ploughs into who!
Totally agree about Jensen - think he wil be a real contender this year. There was an interview with Martin Brundle last year where he said a lot of people think poorly of Jensen at home because of results but he said inside F1 hes considered to be one of the best drivers on the grid, especially for developing the car.
McLaren are scaring me but I have a sneaky feeling from what theyve said in the last 24 hours that theyll pull it off. They are cutting it bloody fine though!
McLaren Have the best engine for this season, you wont find any arguing that and it will probably be the most reliable too. Ferrari have cut some speed to get the reliability they are lacking. Let us hope that McLarens problems are just the fine elements of the chassis and not at its core.
Yep, Jenson is a smooth driver, when he can compete he just carves through with ease. Hamilton is amazing but he is a bit like shuey - muscling his way through. Jenson glides around the track and his smooth style will be an even greater asset this season, same to with Vetell who has a similar style. How would you act and be if you have been let down by your team time and time again but having to try and keep the faith all the time? Jenson is of course going to have his head drop. I have felt sorry for him for a while.
Hmm Branson apparently lined up to be a major Brawn GP sponsor. Things getting better and better - Im loving this. Just hope the race performance is as good as were all hoping.
ARGH! Why am I up!!!
Virgin logo already on the cars - looks good!!
W00tage. :ptu:
Shake and bake!! Thatll do quite nicely!
Shame about Hamilton - McLaren should be ashamed. Lets hope they fix that piece of junk ASAP and get back on top.
McLaren have cocked up big time but do not forget all the fastest teams have that rear defuser, the other teams will role their own out asap now.
Go Button, Hope he does well in the race.
All the fastest teams? Red bull are not running one and they are stonking quick. Not all the time is made from that one part. Its easy to lose focus.
Toyota have been disqualified for an overflexible rear wing.
Quote from: CypherAll the fastest teams? Red bull are not running one and they are stonking quick. Not all the time is made from that one part. Its easy to lose focus.
Toyota have been disqualified for an overflexible rear wing.
Stupidity, they should be allowed to modify it until it fits the criteria.
After the qualifying session lol?
Quote from: CypherAll the fastest teams? Red bull are not running one and they are stonking quick. Not all the time is made from that one part. Its easy to lose focus.
Toyota have been disqualified for an overflexible rear wing.
If teams say it makes the car faster then, they know what they are talking about. It is not one thing but zero tenths in F1 is a massive amount of time. There is no doubt that it makes them faster, it is if it is legal or not.
Many times one part has shown to make differences.
Brawn GP are fast for a few reasons though yes but the rear defuser helps to shave 0.3-0.5 seconds a lap.
- Their front wing differs from most of the other cars, no one has questioned this, others will just need to adopt their approach.
- With No Kers that weight is not at the back and so they used that balast at the front. Overstear is better to manage then understear.
- With no Kers and a small engine they do not need as big air vents and thus allowing for it to be slimmer.
- The overall car is small. What makes this and the other cars and one of the big reasons Red Bull are quite quick is that they went for as small as you can. Ferrari have also gone small but they have a bad front and rear wing.
Toyata are interesting, They can not do rear wings hey, Not the first or second time they have been pulled up for dodgy rear wings. They have had a few failures too.
Quote from: CypherAfter the qualifying session lol?
There should have been checks well before the race to make sure there was no problem.
Quote from: neXusBrawn GP are fast for a few reasons though yes but the rear defuser helps to shave 0.3-0.5 seconds a lap.
- Their front wing differs from most of the other cars, no one has questioned this, others will just need to adopt their approach.
- With No Kers that weight is not at the back and so they used that balast at the front. Overstear is better to manage then understear.
- With no Kers and a small engine they do not need as big air vents and thus allowing for it to be slimmer.
- The overall car is small. What makes this and the other cars and one of the big reasons Red Bull are quite quick is that they went for as small as you can. Ferrari have also gone small but they ha.ve a bad front and rear wing.
Very nice Newey but completeley missing the point.
The point was not overthinking everything. The diffuser alone cannot explain Brawns advantage. How is the car superior over the Toyota and Williams, both of which have a very similar diffuser.
1 part does not make all the time, it is 1 part in a colaborative system. 1 Entity. There is a lot going on even before the rear diffuser has a matter in the say of air flow.
Quote from: BBCBesides, one very experienced F1 aerodynamicist told me the following: "In aerodynamic terms, seven tenths of a second implies about 70kg of extra downforce for a given drag.
"The size of the diffuser as defined in the regulations means it creates only about 10% of the cars total downforce - about 120kg.
"If their diffuser is worth seven tenths of a second it implies that they are getting 60% more downforce from their diffuser than anyone else. That is ludicrous.
"Id say if you could get a diffuser to be giving you an extra 20kg over everyone else - about 0.2 seconds-worth - you would be doing incredibly well.
Which makes your random figure of 0.3-0.5 plain silly.
Which is why what happens at the court of appeal, is going to have bugger all effect on the overall speed of this car.
Clearly the competitor teams DONT have a clue, otherwise they wouldnt be in this mess.
Agree with Cypher - Brawns advantage isnt because of diffuser or the Merc engine. Its mainly due ot the fact that they spent the whole of last season designing a great car. Ross Brawn said like last August that theyd be a top 3 team this season before anyone could have guessed how McLaren, Ferrari, Renault etc.. would turn out. Theres a reason he took a huge risk buying a team he couldnt afford when rich investors wouldnt take the risk - its because he knew something noone else did. Whatever happens with the rulings and development this season Brawn are going to be at the top because they have the best car. End of story.
Quote from: CypherQuote from: neXusBrawn GP are fast for a few reasons though yes but the rear defuser helps to shave 0.3-0.5 seconds a lap.
- Their front wing differs from most of the other cars, no one has questioned this, others will just need to adopt their approach.
- With No Kers that weight is not at the back and so they used that balast at the front. Overstear is better to manage then understear.
- With no Kers and a small engine they do not need as big air vents and thus allowing for it to be slimmer.
- The overall car is small. What makes this and the other cars and one of the big reasons Red Bull are quite quick is that they went for as small as you can. Ferrari have also gone small but they ha.ve a bad front and rear wing.
Very nice Newey but completeley missing the point.
The point was not overthinking everything. The diffuser alone cannot explain Brawns advantage. How is the car superior over the Toyota and Williams, both of which have a very similar diffuser.
1 part does not make all the time, it is 1 part in a colaborative system. 1 Entity. There is a lot going on even before the rear diffuser has a matter in the say of air flow.
Quote from: BBCBesides, one very experienced F1 aerodynamicist told me the following: "In aerodynamic terms, seven tenths of a second implies about 70kg of extra downforce for a given drag.
"The size of the diffuser as defined in the regulations means it creates only about 10% of the cars total downforce - about 120kg.
"If their diffuser is worth seven tenths of a second it implies that they are getting 60% more downforce from their diffuser than anyone else. That is ludicrous.
"Id say if you could get a diffuser to be giving you an extra 20kg over everyone else - about 0.2 seconds-worth - you would be doing incredibly well.
Which makes your random figure of 0.3-0.5 plain silly.
Which is why what happens at the court of appeal, is going to have bugger all effect on the overall speed of this car.
Clearly the competitor teams DONT have a clue, otherwise they wouldnt be in this mess.
I am at work but the time was pulled direct from quotes by teams during Barcelona testing of the advantage it could get and I will put them up for you. Your looking for a fight and I will not give it to you but Again as said in my post...
- it is true one peace does not add to be everything and I listed some of the elements of why the brawn gp is faster (
http://brawngp.blogspot.com/ from here before you moan) and said that too!
- BUT countless times big performance boosts have come from one innervation by one team and to deny that is plain daft as their are so many cases of it, a number of which banned as they were to much of an advantage and either illegal or classed bad for the sport and then made illegal updating the rules.
Mclarens extra braking, There was someone with the bottom board design that was different and made illegal, the whole of shoot fins across the cars which have appeared over the last few seasons came from one team to start with, Ferrari and the tire covers found to add a great amount of time per lap and adopted by some more teams last season and now most this season.... Can go on and on.
I get moaned at if I not read a post in full, so others should do.
Button wins agan - sh*t race and only half points but he drove superbly after a bad star so thatll do. Cars very quixk (again) and looks good in the rain.
Good result for Hamilton too - glad to see him get some points after a horrible week.
Autosport are reporting that Ross Brawn offered to help clarify the diffuser rules as far back as last March and that offer was refused. In addition to the Malaysia stewards clearing it like it Australia it looks like the FIA are going to take some serious convincing to deem it illegal now (wouldnt put it past them though!).
It is the FIA, God knows what they will do, they are so inconsistent and not in sync with anyone else in F1 you just never know.
- It is not Mclaren so that will make a difference, Not being daft here, FIA really do have something agaisnt them, they are formed mostly by people who work or are around the Ferrari/Fiat Company.
- The above being said, Ferrari are one of the teams who have lodged a complaint so...
- All of what Rivkid is correct, race stewars, trying to make sure they are legal well before etc, IF the FIA change their mind now or take note now they are going to look bad.
- Not all the teams have made an official compliant about it, so that has to be important?
If it is ok it will be interesting to see how fast the other teams adapt their cars and then how they will effect their performance. Cypher and my differing thoughts would be highlighted again. If other cars adopt them and suddenly become very quick it will again be another case of one part making a big difference. If nothing of nothing happens to most of the teams with them then Cypher will get an apology.
An apology for what? Im owed nothing.
Its called a discussion. I dont care who is right or wrong, I only ask there be some reasoning behind an opinion so I can at least take it seriously.
I strongly believe all the teams could throw whatever diffuser within interpretation of the rules and would still be outclassed. Honda (Effectively, gave up on 2008 and worked on the 2009 car over a year ago) The car deals with issues like tyre wear in a way that laughs at other teams.
McLaren are struggling after their efforts in 2008 to secure the title, and with such radical rule changes, one of the big teams was allways going to get it wrong big style. McLaren seem to have this dip in form every couple of years, I think it was 2002 last where Kimi and DC were hopeless. They effectively had to bring out a mark 2/B car.
Theres a good reason why I dont go into topics such as programming or photography etc. I would be talking nonsense.
You are right and that was not in question in regard to the overall build of the new Brawn Car, never was argued (though you did not read my posts properly and thought it was) You are right about they have been working on it a lot longer then others. Mclaren hardly bothered at all and that is costing them, But I still stand by one peace on a car can make a massive difference to its pace and has always been there in F1 when an innervation has come about.
Quote from: CypherI strongly believe all the teams could throw whatever diffuser within interpretation of the rules and would still be outclassed. Honda (Effectively, gave up on 2008 and worked on the 2009 car over a year ago) The car deals with issues like tyre wear in a way that laughs at other teams.
Yup agree with that entirely. Add to that that Button is driving superbly (definitely got the edge on Rubens who is far from slow!) and you can see an incredible package.
Quote from: RivkidQuote from: CypherI strongly believe all the teams could throw whatever diffuser within interpretation of the rules and would still be outclassed. Honda (Effectively, gave up on 2008 and worked on the 2009 car over a year ago) The car deals with issues like tyre wear in a way that laughs at other teams.
Yup agree with that entirely. Add to that that Button is driving superbly (definitely got the edge on Rubens who is far from slow!) and you can see an incredible package.
But always has driven the same way. When you got a car that can not even overtake the slowest cars on a straight you cant do nothing and then frustration sits in which makes you worse.
Quote from: neXusBut always has driven the same way. When you got a car that can not even overtake the slowest cars on a straight you cant do nothing and then frustration sits in which makes you worse.
Id like to say that Jenson always got the best out of the car no matter how bad it was but thats not true - hed be the first to admit that. There have been years where he lost the edge and has underperformed, and as a result has at times performed less than favourably against poor quality team mates (Sato, Fisicella etc..) You can blame frustration to a point but at the end of the day keeping a clear mind is an important part of being an F1 driver. Ross Brawn only this week discussed how he had considered hiring him at Ferrari but decided against it due to sometimes putting in poor performances, although he admitted that was probably a mistake given how well hes doing in a good car.
Jenson is a great driver, without question one of the best on the grid. We shouldnt underestimate though how much his hard work in a poor car has aided him, and prepared him to grab this opportunity with both hands. Many drivers would have choked but (so far) he hasnt. If Jenson was to win a world title it would mean more to me than when Lewis did (and that meant a lot) because as fans weve been through so many bad times with Button, and being honest we never really thought hed get this chance.
Long may the Button revolution continue because Im fully loving it!
I always put his poor performances as your standard off days as well as days he was up to "here" with it as I have seen so many bad team choices mess him about.
Quote from: neXusI always put his poor performances as your standard off days as well as days he was up to "here" with it as I have seen so many bad team choices mess him about.
You cant put it down to off days because these guys out performed him over an entire season not one off races. As for being pissed off with the car he had no reason to be with his Williams or his Renault besides which the team mates beating him had the same car.
Im not bad mouthing Jenson here you understand - Im a huge fan. Im just playing devils advocate because whilst hes shown brilliance at times hes also shown weakness too - just like every other great driver or champion.
Quote from: RivkidQuote from: neXusI always put his poor performances as your standard off days as well as days he was up to "here" with it as I have seen so many bad team choices mess him about.
You cant put it down to off days because these guys out performed him over an entire season not one off races. As for being pissed off with the car he had no reason to be with his Williams or his Renault besides which the team mates beating him had the same car.
Im not bad mouthing Jenson here you understand - Im a huge fan. Im just playing devils advocate because whilst hes shown brilliance at times hes also shown weakness too - just like every other great driver or champion.
Your taking one line of text at a time over a whole discussion which is not the way to do things. You just contradicted yourself a bit in your first paragraph because you yourself put his performance issues heavily down to the bad car and team set up for two years not "These guys out performed him" suggesting it was the drivers. But you are correct about drivers having their weaknesses and they all have it. What I said was how I feel but what it leads to is the same thing your commenting on. I think these lead to the cause of him having bad driving at times. All drivers have an off day, add that off day to a bad team day and bad car and you get a terrible performance. Add that to all the team issues and the car which got worse after a season not better and then add the frustration anyone must have and you get some inconstancy as wel as bad performance. I mean your right! I am right as well.
It leads though to the changes in F1. Some I agree with and I understand the cost cutting but the FIA just seem to have lost the plot in many areas. Always on about safety but in many ways this season making the cars worse! not better. They are also changing the cars and rules far to much to reflect drivers and driving skill. Of course this is a big part of it but F1 is a sport that is for 100s of people not just one. The whole team makes a champion in F1 and how they build and maintain the car is a massive thing in F1 and they should not remove this aspect they should make some of the changes to make it more equal but they are going way over the top.
When I watched F1 and saw cars come into the pits and a pit crew just looked at the car as it got fuel my heart sank for example.
Quote from: neXusIt leads though to the changes in F1. Some I agree with and I understand the cost cutting but the FIA just seem to have lost the plot in many areas. Always on about safety but in many ways this season making the cars worse! not better. They are also changing the cars and rules far to much to reflect drivers and driving skill. Of course this is a big part of it but F1 is a sport that is for 100s of people not just one. The whole team makes a champion in F1 and how they build and maintain the car is a massive thing in F1 and they should not remove this aspect they should make some of the changes to make it more equal but they are going way over the top.
When I watched F1 and saw cars come into the pits and a pit crew just looked at the car as it got fuel my heart sank for example.
OTOH if the car drove itself then you might as well put a monkey in the driving seat. First thing should be driving skill, not technical advantage, which should be second. This is one reason why race formats that use identical cars can be more exciting than F1
Quote from: neXusYour taking one line of text at a time over a whole discussion which is not the way to do things. You just contradicted yourself a bit in your first paragraph because you yourself put his performance issues heavily down to the bad car and team set up for two years not "These guys out performed him" suggesting it was the drivers. But you are correct about drivers having their weaknesses and they all have it. What I said was how I feel but what it leads to is the same thing your commenting on. I think these lead to the cause of him having bad driving at times. All drivers have an off day, add that off day to a bad team day and bad car and you get a terrible performance. Add that to all the team issues and the car which got worse after a season not better and then add the frustration anyone must have and you get some inconstancy as wel as bad performance. I mean your right! I am right as well.
It leads though to the changes in F1. Some I agree with and I understand the cost cutting but the FIA just seem to have lost the plot in many areas. Always on about safety but in many ways this season making the cars worse! not better. They are also changing the cars and rules far to much to reflect drivers and driving skill. Of course this is a big part of it but F1 is a sport that is for 100s of people not just one. The whole team makes a champion in F1 and how they build and maintain the car is a massive thing in F1 and they should not remove this aspect they should make some of the changes to make it more equal but they are going way over the top.
When I watched F1 and saw cars come into the pits and a pit crew just looked at the car as it got fuel my heart sank for example.
No, I havent contradicted myself at any point - youve made your own mistake about reading one line at a time. He hasnt been competitive in the field because hes had a tinpot car - thats a fact. But he has lost out to his team mates (at times) in the same tin pot car - thats down to poor performance on his part. Theres no contradiction at all they are seperate areas of discussion.
As for the rule changes - I was against most of them at first. However Im beginning to understand. KERS is a waste of time for racing but it spotlights F1 as helping to develop green technologies which is necessary for the future of the sport. Without this it would lose massive amounts of sponsorship and would come under much heavier fire for the fuel thats wasted at races. FACT - we would not have Bransons involvement without this sort of thing hes said that openly, and that would probably have cost us Brawn GP. Cost cutting is obviously essential although I think £30m is way too low and probably wont happen. Slicks back is a great idea - they should never have vanished. The car designs have (one way or another) made racing really exciting again and as long as they dont f**k it up by banning the diffuser 3 I think its been mission accomplished.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7996698.stm
Just another source with the diffusers legal but again showing the 0.5 (showing I did not pluck that number out of the air) and how important these are to teams who stress the importance on this body part of the car this season.
Oh dont start that rubbish. They dont have a clue, so none of us here have a clue how much it is. 0.5-0.7 secs a lap is the advatnage have at the moment, potentialy a full second when you consider the extra fuel they were also carrying in qualifying. Putting it down to the diffuser is nothing more than PA nonsense, they would look weak in court otherwise.
The teams have been plucking numbers out of a hat like rabbits the last few weeks, one minute its 0.2, the next 0.7. It it plainly not possible to have that much of an advantage from a diffuser. Its simply naieve and narrow minded to think so, never mind technically not possible when the entire car generates around 120KG of down force with the diffuser contributing in theory 10%. The percentage advantage 0.5s would imply is simply ludicrous, even more evidence they dont have a chuffing clue!
Its like watching kids argue on a playground over conkers.............then they get banned.
Quote from: CypherOh dont start that rubbish. They dont have a clue, so none of us here have a clue how much it is. 0.5-0.7 secs a lap is the advatnage have at the moment, potentialy a full second when you consider the extra fuel they were also carrying in qualifying. Putting it down to the diffuser is nothing more than PA nonsense, they would look weak in court otherwise.
The teams have been plucking numbers out of a hat like rabbits the last few weeks, one minute its 0.2, the next 0.7. It it plainly not possible to have that much of an advantage from a diffuser. Its simply naieve and narrow minded to think so, never mind technically not possible when the entire car generates around 120KG of down force with the diffuser contributing in theory 10%. The percentage advantage 0.5s would imply is simply ludicrous, even more evidence they dont have a chuffing clue!
Its like watching kids argue on a playground over conkers.............then they get banned.
Cypher you are officially invited to my house to watch the F1 anytime - you clearly understand it. :cheers:
Quote from: CypherOh dont start that rubbish. They dont have a clue, so none of us here have a clue how much it is. 0.5-0.7 secs a lap is the advatnage have at the moment, potentialy a full second when you consider the extra fuel they were also carrying in qualifying. Putting it down to the diffuser is nothing more than PA nonsense, they would look weak in court otherwise.
The teams have been plucking numbers out of a hat like rabbits the last few weeks, one minute its 0.2, the next 0.7. It it plainly not possible to have that much of an advantage from a diffuser. Its simply naieve and narrow minded to think so, never mind technically not possible when the entire car generates around 120KG of down force with the diffuser contributing in theory 10%. The percentage advantage 0.5s would imply is simply ludicrous, even more evidence they dont have a chuffing clue!
Its like watching kids argue on a playground over conkers.............then they get banned.
Again there are other factors but then they are the people building, and racing these cars and do it for their Lively hood and with all the guys there etc I think They know what they are talking about more then you Cypher. You got good understanding of things and said a lot of right things but this last post is basic tosh in my view.
This as with may other parts to cars is offering a massive performance boost and if they say this on average gives you x amount on track then it does. No one really outside you has said otherwise, it has always been if it is legal or not, now it is all cars will have that and the boost it gave these cars will be gone and if the other teams get onto an even level straight the way then it will just prove that further.
Quote from: neXusAgain there are other factors but then they are the people building, and racing these cars and do it for their Lively hood and with all the guys there etc I think They know what they are talking about more then you Cypher. You got good understanding of things and said a lot of right things but this last post is basic tosh in my view.
This as with may other parts to cars is offering a massive performance boost and if they say this on average gives you x amount on track then it does. No one really outside you has said otherwise, it has always been if it is legal or not, now it is all cars will have that and the boost it gave these cars will be gone and if the other teams get onto an even level straight the way then it will just prove that further.
The pros have been bandying the 0.5 sec a lap figure around to aid their appeal. Now the appeal is done they are starting to question its real advantage and teams inc. Renault and Ferrari are again talking about challenging. Even the mighty Alonso who last week said the diffuser would decide the title has now said its unclear how much difference it really makes compared to the rest of the aero package. It definitely gives better performance no question, but 0.5 sec a lap is pure speculation. Dont get confused by Brawns performance because thats just a great car - but BMW and Red Bull werent left for dead by Toyota and Williams so its far from the miracle cure the press are making it out to be. Bottom line is no one has run the same car with different diffusers and timed the difference so no one knows the real advantage it gives - professional or not.
Quote from: RivkidQuote from: neXusAgain there are other factors but then they are the people building, and racing these cars and do it for their Lively hood and with all the guys there etc I think They know what they are talking about more then you Cypher. You got good understanding of things and said a lot of right things but this last post is basic tosh in my view.
This as with may other parts to cars is offering a massive performance boost and if they say this on average gives you x amount on track then it does. No one really outside you has said otherwise, it has always been if it is legal or not, now it is all cars will have that and the boost it gave these cars will be gone and if the other teams get onto an even level straight the way then it will just prove that further.
The pros have been bandying the 0.5 sec a lap figure around to aid their appeal. Now the appeal is done they are starting to question its real advantage and teams inc. Renault and Ferrari are again talking about challenging. Even the mighty Alonso who last week said the diffuser would decide the title has now said its unclear how much difference it really makes compared to the rest of the aero package. It definitely gives better performance no question, but 0.5 sec a lap is pure speculation. Dont get confused by Brawns performance because thats just a great car - but BMW and Red Bull werent left for dead by Toyota and Williams so its far from the miracle cure the press are making it out to be. Bottom line is no one has run the same car with different diffusers and timed the difference so no one knows the real advantage it gives - professional or not.
That does not sound complete true since Renault are throwing in a full new defuser in the next GP already and Mclaren have a modified one also (not full change) and others will follow suite. Ferrari will get there, they just have issues with other elements of the car at the moment such as kers which they have scraped for the next race till they sort the issues out with it and the split wing.
Quote from: neXusThat does not sound complete true since Renault are throwing in a full new defuser in the next GP already and Mclaren have a modified one also (not full change) and others will follow suite. Ferrari will get there, they just have issues with other elements of the car at the moment such as kers which they have scraped for the next race till they sort the issues out with it and the split wing.
Yes because as I said it without question offers some benefit no ones disputing that. Are we expecting all the remaining cars to be instantly as fast as Brawn when theyve added their new diffuser? I highly doubt it unless the new aero packages they use this weekend bring them fairly close anyway.
From my understanding BMW have an updated aero package on the way, a B spec car as it were. They may decide to run kers.
Out of all the cars to benefit from an improved diffuse my eye would be on red bull, Vettel is and has been quick. One example of a team being quick through a completely different design ethic even before you get to this diffuser nonsense.
Well the Button train rolls on. Great showing in Bahrain. Just need a decent upgrade package in Spain to push on for the title. So excited!! :nana:
Quote from: RivkidWell the Button train rolls on. Great showing in Bahrain. Just need a decent upgrade package in Spain to push on for the title. So excited!! :nana:
Hope they got the resources to push and develop the car further to as you say push for the title.
hehe forgot to post after Monaco. Rapidly becoming my favourite season ever!
Go Jenson!! :cheers:
F*ck me! Id like to say this is getting boring now - but Id be bloody lying!!!
Silverstone next - got my tickets all warm and cosey!!! :)
Cool, Hope it is not a wet one :)
Just reading that Kers will probably be scrapped next season. I like the idea of them but they only really work when cars are of stock form in nature like A1 GP and brawn have shown that you build your car right you dont need it.
Lotus could also be coming back as well next season :o
Always Rated Jenson, had some tough times and very bad cars but his driving style is quite faltless, stick him in a good car and he drives it. He has issues when put under pressure and when he is frustrated but what he has done so far this season has only ever been achieved by the greats of F1.
Quote from: neXusCool, Hope it is not a wet one :)
Sunny day would certainly be nice but I wont be letting any rain spoil it if it comes!
Im going to the practice this year, won tickets at work. Hopefully itll be as sunny as last year...... The practice that was, race day was raining and horrid.
Got a couple of JB flags on the way, must dig out my BAR cap too! :)
God this weekend cant come fast enough. SERIOUSLY hope he wins this one!