Calender:March 16 Australia (Melbourne)
March 23 Malaysia (Sepang)
April 6 Bahrain (Sakhir)
April 27 Spain (Barcelona)
May 11 Turkey (Istanbul)
May 25 Monaco
June 8 Canada
June 22 France
July 6 Britain (Silverstone)
July 20 Germany (Hockenheim)
Aug 3 Hungary (Hungaroring)
Aug 24 Europe (Valencia)
Sep 7 Belgium (Spa-Francorchamps)
Sep 14 Italy (Monza)
Sep 28 Singapore
Oct 12 Japan (Fuji)
Oct 19 China (Shanghai)
Nov 2 Brazil (Interlagos)
Singapore will be a Night race and take part on a street circuit - Lights on f1 cars - lol
French GP is spared
Silverstone gets another chance
Spyker become Force India
QuoteIt was announced that there will also be a total freeze on engine development for a period of 10 years from 2008.
A change can be made after five years but only with the unanimous agreement of all stakeholders and following a further two-year notice period.
There will be no exceptions for development of certain parts of the engine, as is the case under the current regulations.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/6911269.stm
So much for Bio-Fuel then....
I really dont think I need to point out your typo...
2006?
- Ferrari's request to supply two teams with engines in the 2008 and 2009 championship has been accepted.
[This one is interesting, it seems to me the FIA fined McLaren so hard and by so much just to get the bulk of cash on their new scheme]
- Following the judgement of the World Motor Sport Council on 13 September, a sum in excess of $50 million will be paid in December to the FIA. This will be used to establish the FIA Development Fund, which will assist the work of National Sporting Authorities (ASNs) in promoting the development of safer motor sport worldwide, especially in countries where the motor sport infrastructure is in need of support. Representatives from Mercedes and Ferrari will be invited to join the Fund's board.
Source: http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press_Releases/FIA_Sport/2007/October/241007-01.html
And some would say he would not go..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7074737.stm
Of course he was going to, he screwed the team over more then ones this year and getting a right mardey git that he was an equal in a team he thought he would coast the championshp with with a rookie driver as rear guard.
If he was going to go, it would be on his own terms, not McLarens, not with a 3 year contract in place.
Its slightly unfair to put the blame completely on Alonso. Yes Alonso far from helped matters and made his relationship with Ron Dennis worse. The man came into the team expecting to be the number 1 driver from the start, and with good reason. Its a team he has allways wanted to drive for.
He didnt know his team mate would be British when he came in. There really has to be some doubt whether there was equal treatment or not.
It McLarens loss more than Alonsos. They have just lost one of the finest drivers of his generation. Expect him to haunt them back at some point in the future just as kimi has. Right now he is probably the best all rounded driver in the pack.
Quote from: CypherIf he was going to go, it would be on his own terms, not McLarens, not with a 3 year contract in place.
Its slightly unfair to put the blame completely on Alonso. Yes Alonso far from helped matters and made his relationship with Ron Dennis worse. The man came into the team expecting to be the number 1 driver from the start, and with good reason. Its a team he has allways wanted to drive for.
He didnt know his team mate would be British when he came in. There really has to be some doubt whether there was equal treatment or not.
It McLarens loss more than Alonsos. They have just lost one of the finest drivers of his generation. Expect him to haunt them back at some point in the future just as kimi has. Right now he is probably the best all rounded driver in the pack.
Just two bits
- The contract when he signed it always stated equal treatment in terms of resources etc which has always been the case with the team and a pholosphy(spelling) ron dennis has kept
- No payout or anything so was not under Alonsos terms - mutual departure and no fee paid out to him
When I said terms, I meant because he wanted to walk away, not because he was made to.
I wasnt reffering to any settlement or contractual agreements.
I dont doubt that the contract did say equal chances but there are quite a few nagging doubts in my head.
i highly doubt mclaren would put equal support for drivers in their agenda, their team orders were clear enough during the season.
Slight gut feeling prediction atm.... dont ask me why.
Alonso to red bull
Webber to renault
Kovaleinen to McLaren
Fishecella replaced by Piquet Nelson Jr
A lot of talk recently about Alonso to Red Bull, even talks of Sebastian Bourdais deferring entry to another year just so Coulthard can drive a Torro Rosso to make room for Alonso at Red Bull.
Just through process of elimination, it seems highly likely that Kovalainen will take the 2nd McLaren seat - unless Williams have just been trying to bump up Rosbergs price tag all along just for this moment, but I think they would rather be doing well further up the grid and stabilise the team a bit more.
I dont think itll really matter where Webber will end up - he has the worst luck anywhere and everywhere he goes. A shame.
And I thought Renault gave Alonso a Tuesday deadline to answer their contract proposal....its now Thursday, and nothing set....which means the RBR talks may have a bit more weight behind them....
I know coulthard has allready got a contract for 2008, so I dont see him leaving, not after the progress they have made the last 3 years.
Weeber may move if anything because Flavio is his manager.
Just a gut feeling.
Quote from: CypherI know coulthard has allready got a contract for 2008, so I dont see him leaving, not after the progress they have made the last 3 years.
Weeber may move if anything because Flavio is his manager.
Just a gut feeling.
the team put a lot of their progress down to him dont they to the media etc and he has put a lot of effort and has been doing really well just being let down by the car and crap rear grid drivers bashing him. This season even at his age he has shown he is still a quality driver and your right he will defiantly be staying there next season
There is quite a few things that are going on in F1 that are really interesting
First up is the news that Ross Brawn ex Ferrari supremo who was taking a break from F1 is coming back but joining Honda and NOT Ferrari
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7090180.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7091442.stm
A real score with the Honda Team, if the idiots in the wind tunnel can make a good car this is a brilliant boost for the team.
With this Ferraris Jean Todt is to be replaced as boss of the F1 team and go back into a senior executive role
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7090726.stm
But Button has given Honda an Ultimatum, give him a half decent car to challenge with or he is off:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7089346.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7111752.stm
McLaren are going to snap him up for sure,
lol
Honda were one of the first teams to start using nx4 pantran simulation, their first car was designed/produced without using a wind tunnel.
Honda just invested over £1Billion into their aero reasearch only 2 years ago, £25M of that being a new tunnel.
http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/2807/392/
Apart from the fact that their wind tunnel was not properly calibrated for the early season and aero testing has been restricted more, Why would they ignore this?
Cypher is right Red and it is well known why the car was crap, it was indeed down to the wind tunnel not being configured correctly, they use the software to produce the designs, revisions and changes but f1 teams ALWAYS use wind tunnels for full testing and development and it is down to if you own or rent one to how fast you progress and has been the case for years.
You own one and you are able to test for longer and do more
Honda people cocked up in a big way and a few prunes configuring things wrong
Thats the first Ive head about the wind tunnel mess up.
Quote from: Deaths HeadThats the first Ive head about the wind tunnel mess up.
Not going to announce it with a party now are they but it as still very well known when they announced this was the cause during the season. Google will give loads of links
I know, I looked. :) I would have though ITV would have made a song and dance about it.
Quote from: neXusCypher is right Red and it is well known why the car was crap, it was indeed down to the wind tunnel not being configured correctly, they use the software to produce the designs, revisions and changes but f1 teams ALWAYS use wind tunnels for full testing and development and it is down to if you own or rent one to how fast you progress and has been the case for years.
You own one and you are able to test for longer and do more
Honda people cocked up in a big way and a few prunes configuring things wrong
i had a guest lecturer from ugs saying the opposite. Honda designed their first car without access to a wind tunnel, as they were on such a tight budget getting started, not to mention they spent years developing their car rather than the usual 10 months.
pantran/nastran is absolutely insane for pfa, i use it at work for airflow systems to make sure the crap i stick onto the car actually works.
yes
now they use a wind tunnel, the benefits of being able to use one is infinitely better than relying on the witchcraft of fea. they didnt have one when they first started, which is what i said.
their current problems have been down to them not being able to keep up with the aero updates the other teams create in such an insane short time. their calibration issues further hampered efforts to update their aero package.
Quote from: redQuote from: neXusCypher is right Red and it is well known why the car was crap, it was indeed down to the wind tunnel not being configured correctly, they use the software to produce the designs, revisions and changes but f1 teams ALWAYS use wind tunnels for full testing and development and it is down to if you own or rent one to how fast you progress and has been the case for years.
You own one and you are able to test for longer and do more
Honda people cocked up in a big way and a few prunes configuring things wrong
i had a guest lecturer from ugs saying the opposite. Honda designed their first car without access to a wind tunnel, as they were on such a tight budget getting started, not to mention they spent years developing their car rather than the usual 10 months.
pantran/nastran is absolutely insane for pfa, i use it at work for airflow systems to make sure the crap i stick onto the car actually works.
yes now they use a wind tunnel, the benefits of being able to use one is infinitely better than relying on the witchcraft of fea. they didnt have one when they first started, which is what i said.
their current problems have been down to them not being able to keep up with the aero updates the other teams create in such an insane short time. their calibration issues further hampered efforts to update their aero package.
Do not believe him, they had a big budget recently for the cars, every Honda persons public statement in regard to it is indeed the misalignment of the wind tunnel
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=40346&PO=40346One link but you can easily post 20 from different staff and folk from honda freely admitting the balls up
you missed my point. their [size=24] FIRST CAR WAS DEVELOPED WITHOUT A WINDTUNNEL, I AGREED WITH YOU[/size]. f**king hell.
Hamiltons signed a new 5 year deal with McLaren today, wise move.
Quote from: redyes now they use a wind tunnel, the benefits of being able to use one is infinitely better than relying on the witchcraft of fea. they didnt have one when they first started, which is what i said.
Sorry whether it was your writing or my reading I read your comment on no wind tunnel as if you meant the current car.
Quote from: Kris - TekheadsHamiltons signed a new 5 year deal with McLaren today, wise move.
Nothing is wise or straightforward in F1.
Quote from: CypherQuote from: redyes now they use a wind tunnel, the benefits of being able to use one is infinitely better than relying on the witchcraft of fea. they didnt have one when they first started, which is what i said.
Sorry whether it was your writing or my reading I read your comment on no wind tunnel as if you meant the current car.
add the fact he did some editing as well at a time after I read the thread and replying to it
I didnt edit my original post, I only edited it to make more sense, i made that part clear at the beginning.
since when would i want to change the intention of what i am trying to communicate, i am trying to share what ive learned, not prove a point.
Predictions
What do you think the night race will be like?
Any scandals?
Who will win the championship?
What will be the supprise of the year?
Who will be crap?
I think Hamilton or rakky will win with alonso picking up the odd win.
Toyota the money sink will again be quick in qualifying maybe better in that regard but no where in the race and Williams being very poor this year. BMW I think will have closed the gap on the top two but not able to beat them just yet.
Despite all the talk I think Honda will be pap again this year..
The night race will be ace, All the break lights glowing and engines etc should be cool to see
Rain:
I think the first real rain race will just be an utter disaster with cars off all over the place and even with the rain at a normally drivable capacity the race will not go a head or be stopped and if there is more then 1-2 wet racing or days with rain on a race weekend that cause problems there will be calls for traction control to be put in and I think you may see it be rushed back in and cars with it within 1-2 races for the rest of the season at least.
Not keen on some of the 2009 changes though.
My money is on Raikonnen. Give him the car to do the job and if he is the right mind set he will dominate. I dont care who is behind him.
Going into this season as champion is going to be such a confidence boost and ferrari have been looking very good overall in testing.
Suprise of the season. I would expect either BMW or Red Bull to get up there in between the Ferrari and Mclarens. I also expect BMW to either get at least 1 pole posistion or GP win.
Again Hamilton should have shut up some of the media folk in regard to him not being able to hack all the changes and it would be harder etc and Ferrari would coast the first race of the season and Hamilton has made it look easy.
Very early days but a nice win
Ferrari were all over the place
AS for the amount of cars that finished - ROFL, I hope this is not an early sign of the trend in F1
Ron Davis on the run up and on the podium, You can clearly see the "f you FIA and Others!!!!!" on his face
Ferrari were very quick, but had a bad weekend. 2 of their engines failed. Questions asked.
I hardly think this will shut the critics up. Its not like the drivers are not used to no TC as the majority of F1 feeder series such as GP2/F3000 do not use TC. Nico Rosberg having won and then subsequently joined F1 a year before Hamilton.
Im not sure why Hamilton is calling it his best win, he had absolutely nothing to do sitting behind the Safety Car. He pretty much won it in qualifying. Hes had to work for a win before.
Alonso unsuprisingly doing very well in a car that on paper is slower than the front runners.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xVM1xsiI4tM
hmmm, that suspension should not have broken so easily nor whould the wheel have come off....
Stewards may ban the Red Bull cars due to concerns over their safety after the crash. They have to submit a technical report to the stewards and they will decide whether or not they can race.
http://www.f1technical.net/news/8567
Oooh, actually did you see the first race when masa hit Him
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FE7-kQPWLNc (could not find a better one, not great this)
Mass came off nothing for nothing but at the time I thought that the car fell to bits very easily then since massa looked fine and carried on but couthards car was a mess
I just got the irony of my title change, lol
Anyway...
They got to stop that slow car train at the end there blimey that could end up in a big smash, moving chicanes.
Some rules are going to be put in place to stop that for the next race I am sure.
Yeah, F1 cars have had spoilers for quite a while ;)
Although Max is doing his utmost to get them removed for 2009 season.
The Mclarens are penalised for being on the driving line, however they were coming up to a right hand corner so they could quite possibly be on the apex as a car on its fast lap is also wanting to use it. Its a harsh decision but it ensures at the next race a new rule will be in place, eg they need to be at the 80kph strip on pit lane within 10% of their fastest lap otherwise drop down the grid. That would ensure an expedient return to the pit.
Quote from: Deaths HeadAlthough Max is doing his utmost to get them removed for 2009 season.
Yeah, box carts is what he wants, lol
Funny, 5 cars on the track going slow impeding Alonso and 2 williams cars.
The cars going slow being a BMW 2 nice red cars and 2 Mclarens
When it comes to punishment oh look Mclaren have a 5 place penalty implied to them by the FIA
If it was not clear already that the FIA is a Ferrari club and that they hate Mclaren it is bloody dam obvious to everyone now.
The problem with your argument is the Mclarens were the only cars going slow on the racing line. If they had not been there, there would not have been a need to weave between the cars.
Quote from: Deaths HeadThe problem with your argument is the Mclarens were the only cars going slow on the racing line. If they had not been there, there would not have been a need to weave between the cars.
This would be true but on the f1 forums they keep linking and watching the videos deleted showing masa on the racing line as well
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article979749.ece
I can hear the jokes down the paddock allready. :mutley:
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(http://www.n138.net/assets/blundell.jpg)
On a different note - great run from Lewis in Q. Lets hope his race is as good!
I was expecting a win from BMW but not this early and with such a strong performance 1 2 finish.
But watching the season progress the win has really been coming and Kubica really is looking the real deal. If he keeps up this consistancy he really has a good chance this year.