http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MPRmOUxRMY&feature=player_embedded
WTF natural selection at work :rofl:
f**king hell.
They dont know how to use engine braking or the brake in ice then?
lol
what I always like about videos like this is.... people are happy to hang out of there window all day with a camcorder.... but they cant be bothered to maybe go outside and warn anyone, or maybe make a sign or something ?
maybe it looked different in person... but you could hardly see the ice in the vid there.... so its no surprise it caught some people off guard...
here is where the car ended up
(http://www.e90post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=336632&stc=1&d=1261671580)
and it gets funnier.
(http://www.e90post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=336635&stc=1&d=1261672642)
Arent you allowed to show vids of people so long as you dont show their face/identifying features?
There is no implied right to privacy in a public place.
Id tell her where to go.
lolz why would you even attempt to get out of the car?
And just think, they could have stayed in the car and then claimed for whiplash when they hit the wall. Or infact controlled it to safety.
It takes some experience and guts to let go of the brake pedal and try to steer out of the trouble.
that may be true, i havent been in that situation myself but after over a second of siding with my foot hard on the brake id remove it and try something else tbh
Im pretty surprised there car doesnt have abs ?
T reg ? 1998 ish ?
but tbh.... the slid so easily, and so quickly, it was inevitable theyd crash.... even under control, theyd have no way to slow down and would be going too fast by the time they got to the bottom ?
ABS doesnt help, you hit the brakes all the wheels lock and the car has no idea its still moving
I think Bear has it right; I defy anyone in this situation not to weld their foot to the brake pedal.
The letter to the Youtube poster looks a bit odd to me; where would she send that? Are peoples addresses published on Youtube?
And if your car were heading towards a cliff, I bet youd try to get out!
I think the people would be able to figure out which house it was from the video. That or possibly after the video the people ran out to see if they could help, and mentioned it was going on youtube?
Basically someone is pissed that their insurance company may not pay out because they took the car out in conditions that are too dangerous. If youre in a public place like the public highway then the only permissions you need related to equipment and sometimes if youre very near somewhere like a school or government building. The guy is perfectly safe.
Quote from: MarkThere is no implied right to privacy in a public place.
Id tell her where to go.
The people involved have no rights in this as it is on a public street. They are not directly identifiable from the video. If it was the case then any person who happened to be incidentally videoed on a news broadcast would be reaching for the phone to their solicitor.
What it does prove though is that they were in an impossible to avoid accident.*
*except by not driving.
Quote from: Binary ShadowABS doesnt help, you hit the brakes all the wheels lock and the car has no idea its still moving
mine still works ?
first empty icy road I came to I jammed the breaks on to test it out ... I had 3 ton in the back and a full day of deliveries to do so wanted to see how it would handle.... ready for when I had to do it for real !
suprised how well it worked... didnt stop me any quicker, but I still had full control :)
(2001 iveco daily)
EDIT:
then again, maybe I locked up the front wheels a fraction of a second fasther than the rear... and they locked all of theres at once...
best car I ever drove in the snow was an AX 1.5 diesel.
Skinny tyres and a heavy diesel engine over them. Went piling up hills as SUVs sat spinning all 4 of their wide tyres.
Quote from: Markbest car I ever drove in the snow was an AX 1.5 diesel.
Skinny tyres and a heavy diesel engine over them. Went piling up hills as SUVs sat spinning all 4 of their wide tyres.
Works a charm skinny tyres as possible, I just drove up a hill in wet snow with me old 96 passat TDI :)
not studded but winter tyres of friction type.
Quote from: zpyderArent you allowed to show vids of people so long as you dont show their face/identifying features?
No one has the legal right to the light that comes off their face in a public place. Permission is irrelvant. Hes just embarrassed.
Ive found even on the icy roads just by getting to the biting point at around 600 rpm on my car (idle) then the wheels still spin.
I managed to get out of a little tracky spot the other day too. I was stuck in a sort of gulley and reversing out of it my wheels were just spinning.
The gulley was next to the curb and I was giving my friends a lift to the pub.
The curb was sloped so I drove forward and then back and the momentum just carried us out of the gulley.
I thought Id just share that with you.
Bear, how many sets of tyres do you guys need over there? What if your summer tyres are not used up? Do you just keep them in the garage till the next year?
Quote from: mr_rollIve found even on the icy roads just by getting to the biting point at around 600 rpm on my car (idle) then the wheels still spin.
I managed to get out of a little tracky spot the other day too. I was stuck in a sort of gulley and reversing out of it my wheels were just spinning.
The gulley was next to the curb and I was giving my friends a lift to the pub.
The curb was sloped so I drove forward and then back and the momentum just carried us out of the gulley.
I thought Id just share that with you.
Bear, how many sets of tyres do you guys need over there? What if your summer tyres are not used up? Do you just keep them in the garage till the next year?
Yes in a dark place untill springtime, the winter tyres are on their second year and the summer ones on their 3rd. :)
Quote from: mr_rollIve found even on the icy roads just by getting to the biting point at around 600 rpm on my car (idle) then the wheels still spin.
you need to stick something heavy in the boot to keep the back end down, I used to use 8x25kg sacks of caustic soda (just because thats what I had handy) and it made a massive difference
all the vans right now have a couple of 45gal drums of water over the back wheels.... handy thing with those is... when you go and load up you can just empty the water out and chuck em ontop of the other stuff in the van ;)
so long as your not pouring 45gal x 2 of water over an already frozen road hehe
Quote from: mr_rollIve found even on the icy roads just by getting to the biting point at around 600 rpm on my car (idle) then the wheels still spin.
I managed to wheelspin my car in 3rd gear doing about 20mph driving normally, no acceleration/deceleration just as I drove over some black ice on one of my local roads. Thankfully it was only a small patch where the sun hadnt melted it.
The following day my mum commented on another bit where she watched someone try to get up the road, which is only like a 5 degree incline, but failing nontheless. I even nearly slid into the road on foot twice on the dropped curbs, youd step on it and start sliding and not know what to do as you couldnt really move any way but towards the road ><
I do think the Mazda 3 handled much better than the micra did though, I wonder what is the biggest factor in stability in the sense of bigger/wider wheels, longer wheel base, or just being a heavier car.
Quote from: Binary Shadowso long as your not pouring 45gal x 2 of water over an already frozen road hehe
Next big freeze Im going to have to pour water over our back patio and turn it into an ice rink :D
Skinny tyres mine should be 185 but I run 175s in the winter
gonna fit 165s next time, my brother runs 155s :)
Just look a rally cars, skinny tyres:
(http://www.cna.nu/rally/images/michelin16.jpg)
Quote from: zpyderQuote from: mr_rollIve found even on the icy roads just by getting to the biting point at around 600 rpm on my car (idle) then the wheels still spin.
I managed to wheelspin my car in 3rd gear doing about 20mph driving normally, no acceleration/deceleration just as I drove over some black ice on one of my local roads. Thankfully it was only a small patch where the sun hadnt melted it.
The following day my mum commented on another bit where she watched someone try to get up the road, which is only like a 5 degree incline, but failing nontheless. I even nearly slid into the road on foot twice on the dropped curbs, youd step on it and start sliding and not know what to do as you couldnt really move any way but towards the road ><
I do think the Mazda 3 handled much better than the micra did though, I wonder what is the biggest factor in stability in the sense of bigger/wider wheels, longer wheel base, or just being a heavier car.
As bear says above, wider tyres are the worst thing you can have in these conditions. The skinnier the better.
Bear, if you go onto a road which is just tarmac do those studs damage the road?
Or are all the roads you drive on just snow and ice?
The studs on the pics are extreme and for rally only, yes studded tyres does damage the road and gives a dust as dangerous as diesel particles, they talking about banning studded tyres, I drive un-studded winter tyres just softer rubber and threads fit for snow and ice.
What I have, Gislaved softfrost:
(http://www.bythjul.com/images/products/gislaved_softfrost3__thumb.jpg)
Quote from: MarkQuote from: zpyderQuote from: mr_rollIve found even on the icy roads just by getting to the biting point at around 600 rpm on my car (idle) then the wheels still spin.
I managed to wheelspin my car in 3rd gear doing about 20mph driving normally, no acceleration/deceleration just as I drove over some black ice on one of my local roads. Thankfully it was only a small patch where the sun hadnt melted it.
The following day my mum commented on another bit where she watched someone try to get up the road, which is only like a 5 degree incline, but failing nontheless. I even nearly slid into the road on foot twice on the dropped curbs, youd step on it and start sliding and not know what to do as you couldnt really move any way but towards the road ><
I do think the Mazda 3 handled much better than the micra did though, I wonder what is the biggest factor in stability in the sense of bigger/wider wheels, longer wheel base, or just being a heavier car.
As bear says above, wider tyres are the worst thing you can have in these conditions. The skinnier the better.
What about the best thing? Whats more likely to be helping my car, considering that I have wider tyres than the micra but it handled better in the ice...longer wheel base or additional weight?
Ive been wondering about wide vs thin tyres and aqua planing, I figured having a wider tyre would act more like a ski than a thin tyre which would hopefully cut through the water more.
That is right a skinny tyre is less likely to aqua plane, in front wheel drive cars there is a good weight above driving wheels but in rear wheel drives an extra weight could be good not to much though as a too back heavy car can skid out with rear easier.
Quote from: CypherNo one has the legal right to the light that comes off their face in a public place.
If thats the case, why then must a photographer get the subject to sign a model release form before he can use it commercially?...
PS: Just seen the vid. Those idiots should be banned from driving for life.
Quote from: EagleQuote from: CypherNo one has the legal right to the light that comes off their face in a public place.
If thats the case, why then must a photographer get the subject to sign a model release form before he can use it commercially?...
So youre telling me the average paparazzi takes a pic of Jordan looking like a tramp at her front door then goes up to her and says, cap in hand, "ere gel, goona sign dis bit o paper for me, theres a dear?" I dont think so.
I thought there was a bit of a grey area where the photos werent allowed if they contained identifying features (google streetview?) but in regards to celebrities this is relaxed somewhat given their profession, and the understanding that if you want to live in the limelight you should expect the paparazzi treatment?
IIRC model releases are not required in the UK (under 16 require a licence from local authority), but are elsewhere in the world so most agencys ask so they can use anywhere.
that being said in uk law, for non commercial use you do not have a right to you image if it was taken of you in a public space, otherwise street based CCTV would be imposable to use.
In the case of items of public interest/journalism model releases are not required, as long as the taking the photo dont brake the laws on sexual assault victims,national security or was taken in side a court of law
kind of strange its legal to film a person, but not to record a telephone conversation or somthing...
I guess it must be because, you cant expect privacy out on the street, but you could in a telephone conversation ?
One of the most popular videos of the week on youtube.