Title: new project
Post by: DEViANCE on May 08, 2010, 15:39:50 PM
Post by: DEViANCE on May 08, 2010, 15:39:50 PM
I have just got hold of an absolute shed of an MGF, it is by far the worst car I have ever owned.
Only got it delivered here an hour or so ago and it took that long for us to get it off the road where the transporter left it and onto my drive.
It losses water faster than my hose pipe could put it in and the alternator is completely seized so it billows rubber burning smoke when it runs.
here is some pics of the poor thing.
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2636.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2635.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2637.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2638.jpg)
I dont get how people let their cars get in this state.
hopefully can get it fixed up over the next few months.
its only good bits are a pretty low mileage engine, 70k, and it is pretty much rust free. oh and it cost £350.
from my quick look at it it needs:
underfloor pipes replacing.
alternator + belt
new bonnet
new boot
cambelt and service & HG pressure tested
new front ARB droplinks, they have completly snapped and the arb is fouling the front tyres.
also noticed that the rear directional tyres are on the wrong sides, no wonder the old owner was too scared to drive it in the rain
Only got it delivered here an hour or so ago and it took that long for us to get it off the road where the transporter left it and onto my drive.
It losses water faster than my hose pipe could put it in and the alternator is completely seized so it billows rubber burning smoke when it runs.
here is some pics of the poor thing.
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2636.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2635.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2637.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2638.jpg)
I dont get how people let their cars get in this state.
hopefully can get it fixed up over the next few months.
its only good bits are a pretty low mileage engine, 70k, and it is pretty much rust free. oh and it cost £350.
from my quick look at it it needs:
underfloor pipes replacing.
alternator + belt
new bonnet
new boot
cambelt and service & HG pressure tested
new front ARB droplinks, they have completly snapped and the arb is fouling the front tyres.
also noticed that the rear directional tyres are on the wrong sides, no wonder the old owner was too scared to drive it in the rain
Title: new project
Post by: knighty on May 08, 2010, 16:22:17 PM
Post by: knighty on May 08, 2010, 16:22:17 PM
i was wondering why the hell you bought it until you got to the £350 price tag !
Title: new project
Post by: Binary Shadow on May 08, 2010, 16:23:16 PM
Post by: Binary Shadow on May 08, 2010, 16:23:16 PM
sounds like itll cost more than its worth to fix to me, should be fun though, hope that engine hasnt overheated in the past though...
Title: Re:new project
Post by: DEViANCE on May 08, 2010, 16:35:38 PM
Post by: DEViANCE on May 08, 2010, 16:35:38 PM
some more pics of the horrors.
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2639.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2640.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2642.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2644.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2643.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2645.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2647.jpg)
it will probably cost me a bit to get decent but they sell well and will be worth a grand when in good nick, probably keep it 12months.
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2639.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2640.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2642.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2644.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2643.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2645.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2647.jpg)
it will probably cost me a bit to get decent but they sell well and will be worth a grand when in good nick, probably keep it 12months.
Title: new project
Post by: bear on May 08, 2010, 17:47:13 PM
Post by: bear on May 08, 2010, 17:47:13 PM
Oh dear good how much salt do you use on the roads ?
or has it been driven next to the beach all its life ?
or has it been driven next to the beach all its life ?
Title: new project
Post by: Binary Shadow on May 08, 2010, 17:51:54 PM
Post by: Binary Shadow on May 08, 2010, 17:51:54 PM
most british cars look like that underneath.
in the winter the cars are white with salt. its terrible
in the winter the cars are white with salt. its terrible
Title: Re:new project
Post by: Mark on May 08, 2010, 21:52:14 PM
Post by: Mark on May 08, 2010, 21:52:14 PM
I use underseal liberally so even the daily driver is like new underneath!
If youre replacing the under car hoses, you can use good quality rubber or silicon hoses, I did that on the MR2, and on the imp. (Replaced the hard pipes)
If youre replacing the under car hoses, you can use good quality rubber or silicon hoses, I did that on the MR2, and on the imp. (Replaced the hard pipes)
Title: new project
Post by: Serious on May 08, 2010, 22:56:17 PM
Post by: Serious on May 08, 2010, 22:56:17 PM
Quote from: knightyi was wondering why the hell you bought it until you got to the £350 price tag !
Saw him coming, even at that price.
Title: new project
Post by: Edd on May 09, 2010, 18:14:49 PM
Post by: Edd on May 09, 2010, 18:14:49 PM
Quote from: SeriousSaw him coming, even at that price.
If the engine is in good enough nick i reckon you could get £350 for that alone (if its the 1.8 VVC version)
Title: Re:new project
Post by: DEViANCE on May 09, 2010, 21:23:01 PM
Post by: DEViANCE on May 09, 2010, 21:23:01 PM
did a couple of hours on it today.
Main priority was getting the locking wheel nuts off without the key. Yay!
After a while of trying to hit a socket onto it and then trying to spin it with a hammer and chisel I decided I needed some power tools.
set up the drill with a 20mm hole saw in with the arbor bit removed
(http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/0/06/20mmHolesaw.jpg)
worked perfect!
next I started to remove all the bits and bobs that connect the subframe to the body, so I can drop the subframe out.
got the exhaust, callipers, dampers and water pipes removed/disconnected before it got dark.
some pics from today
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2650.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2648.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2649.jpg)
I have never known a car that has so many rusty bolts, I dont think a single bolt could be removed using the correct sized socket/spanner.
The last owner must have sprayed salt water onto it every night.
Main priority was getting the locking wheel nuts off without the key. Yay!
After a while of trying to hit a socket onto it and then trying to spin it with a hammer and chisel I decided I needed some power tools.
set up the drill with a 20mm hole saw in with the arbor bit removed
(http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/images/0/06/20mmHolesaw.jpg)
worked perfect!
next I started to remove all the bits and bobs that connect the subframe to the body, so I can drop the subframe out.
got the exhaust, callipers, dampers and water pipes removed/disconnected before it got dark.
some pics from today
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2650.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2648.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2649.jpg)
I have never known a car that has so many rusty bolts, I dont think a single bolt could be removed using the correct sized socket/spanner.
The last owner must have sprayed salt water onto it every night.
Title: Re:new project
Post by: Mark on May 09, 2010, 21:26:49 PM
Post by: Mark on May 09, 2010, 21:26:49 PM
bit of heat will shift them. Get the oxy acetylene out - if you dont have gas - get it! Its more useful than a hammer.
Dont think I have ever come across a nut or bolt that heat doesnt loosen
Dont think I have ever come across a nut or bolt that heat doesnt loosen
Title: Re:new project
Post by: Ceathreamhnan on May 10, 2010, 16:29:14 PM
Post by: Ceathreamhnan on May 10, 2010, 16:29:14 PM
A camera repair specialist I was talking to recently said the same thing; old Leica lenses that were made with such fine tolerances to fit the lens element into an internal groove machined into the barrel can only be dis-assembled using gentle heating.
He asked me a question as a general idea; if you have a sheet of metal with a hole cut through it, and you heat the sheet up: does the hole get bigger or smaller?
Apparently quite a lot of people think it would get smaller as the metal expands into the hole....
Holesaws are great substitutes for routers in wood, provided you can control them!
He asked me a question as a general idea; if you have a sheet of metal with a hole cut through it, and you heat the sheet up: does the hole get bigger or smaller?
Apparently quite a lot of people think it would get smaller as the metal expands into the hole....
Holesaws are great substitutes for routers in wood, provided you can control them!
Title: Re:new project
Post by: DEViANCE on May 15, 2010, 15:24:30 PM
Post by: DEViANCE on May 15, 2010, 15:24:30 PM
Busy this morning
rear subframe out.
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2662.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2663.jpg)
that was a complete git to do, god knows how I am going to get it back in.
All the mounting bolts where shagged, I dont have a blot torch so when the opposite way and used some spray that freezes the bolts, it worked pretty well too.
rear subframe out.
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2662.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2663.jpg)
that was a complete git to do, god knows how I am going to get it back in.
All the mounting bolts where shagged, I dont have a blot torch so when the opposite way and used some spray that freezes the bolts, it worked pretty well too.
Title: new project
Post by: knighty on May 15, 2010, 22:55:03 PM
Post by: knighty on May 15, 2010, 22:55:03 PM
looks like youre doing pretty well for working outside with limited space/tools etc...
I must be getting old, Im starting to get garages to do work Id have done myself a few years ago :o
I must be getting old, Im starting to get garages to do work Id have done myself a few years ago :o
Title: new project
Post by: DEViANCE on May 15, 2010, 22:58:13 PM
Post by: DEViANCE on May 15, 2010, 22:58:13 PM
Quote from: knightylooks like youre doing pretty well for working outside with limited space/tools etc...
I must be getting old, Im starting to get garages to do work Id have done myself a few years ago :o
yeah the slope on my drive was a real pain today and I could do with some proper engine moving equipment, that subframe and engine must be around 200kg.
here is how I left it for today before I moved onto trying to fix my bike
Title: new project
Post by: knighty on May 16, 2010, 02:13:14 AM
Post by: knighty on May 16, 2010, 02:13:14 AM
200kg ? bah, you should be able to bench press that right out of there !!!
reminds me of being a kid helping my dad change a transit engine, i was so small all i could do was fetch and pass tools, too small to actually do anything.... but can remember watching my dad pick up a 3litre V4 out the back of a car and carry it over to the van.... no idea how heavy it was... but to a little kid he might as well have picked up a house !
reminds me of being a kid helping my dad change a transit engine, i was so small all i could do was fetch and pass tools, too small to actually do anything.... but can remember watching my dad pick up a 3litre V4 out the back of a car and carry it over to the van.... no idea how heavy it was... but to a little kid he might as well have picked up a house !
Title: new project
Post by: Mark on May 16, 2010, 13:04:57 PM
Post by: Mark on May 16, 2010, 13:04:57 PM
Quote from: DEViANCEQuote from: knightylooks like youre doing pretty well for working outside with limited space/tools etc...
I must be getting old, Im starting to get garages to do work Id have done myself a few years ago :o
yeah the slope on my drive was a real pain today and I could do with some proper engine moving equipment, that subframe and engine must be around 200kg.
here is how I left it for today before I moved onto trying to fix my bike
(Image removed from quote.)
Simple - put the engine on a dolly raising it off the ground, put the car on higher axle stands, lower the car on to the engine.
Title: Re:new project
Post by: soopahfly on May 16, 2010, 13:25:50 PM
Post by: soopahfly on May 16, 2010, 13:25:50 PM
That front end needs to be the same as the finished ride height.
Title: Re:new project
Post by: Serious on May 16, 2010, 14:38:19 PM
Post by: Serious on May 16, 2010, 14:38:19 PM
Quote from: soopahflyThat front end needs to be the same as the finished ride height.
48" rear tyres and a bit of welding should cure that problem ;)
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Title: Re:new project
Post by: DEViANCE on May 23, 2010, 13:36:35 PM
Post by: DEViANCE on May 23, 2010, 13:36:35 PM
not done alot since as the weather has been nice and been out on the bike.
did a little bit this morning but was getting hot and bothered and pissed off with all the nackered bolts, ruined a ball joint getting a drive shaft off.
removed pipes, loom, alternator, drive shafts, suspension, anti roll bar.
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2668.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2667.jpg)
next will be manifolds and gearbox and then Ill take the engine out.
did a little bit this morning but was getting hot and bothered and pissed off with all the nackered bolts, ruined a ball joint getting a drive shaft off.
removed pipes, loom, alternator, drive shafts, suspension, anti roll bar.
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2668.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/robdav99/MGF%20Project/100_2667.jpg)
next will be manifolds and gearbox and then Ill take the engine out.
Title: Re:new project
Post by: Mark on May 23, 2010, 21:06:15 PM
Post by: Mark on May 23, 2010, 21:06:15 PM
Id keep my eye out for a cheapish K20 if I was you - as in a Honda K20
Title: Re:new project
Post by: DEViANCE on May 23, 2010, 21:15:41 PM
Post by: DEViANCE on May 23, 2010, 21:15:41 PM
Quote from: MarkId keep my eye out for a cheapish K20 if I was you - as in a Honda K20
i keep getting the urges to make it quicker but it isnt that sort of project just want to get it to a good standard, let the missus run around in it for a bit and sell it on.
I would probably stick a k-series vvc engine if I was going to make it quicker.
Title: Re:new project
Post by: Edd on May 24, 2010, 01:22:06 AM
Post by: Edd on May 24, 2010, 01:22:06 AM
Quote from: DEViANCEQuote from: MarkId keep my eye out for a cheapish K20 if I was you - as in a Honda K20
i keep getting the urges to make it quicker but it isnt that sort of project just want to get it to a good standard, let the missus run around in it for a bit and sell it on.
I would probably stick a k-series vvc engine if I was going to make it quicker.
Is it not the VVC version then?
Title: Re:new project
Post by: DEViANCE on May 24, 2010, 07:16:58 AM
Post by: DEViANCE on May 24, 2010, 07:16:58 AM
Quote from: EddQuote from: DEViANCEQuote from: MarkId keep my eye out for a cheapish K20 if I was you - as in a Honda K20
i keep getting the urges to make it quicker but it isnt that sort of project just want to get it to a good standard, let the missus run around in it for a bit and sell it on.
I would probably stick a k-series vvc engine if I was going to make it quicker.
Is it not the VVC version then?
no just standard 1.8.