a 3 door st170 is gonna be expensive, difficult to find, and most probably ragged. im thinking of getting a 2 litre zetec, and spending a bit on the engine. would work out much cheaper to buy and insure.
so... what would Ã,£2k get me on a 2l zetec engine?
Insurance?
Nah, 2k should get some forced induction, but I dunno if you can get focus specific kits.
good cat back system ~500
good induction system ~150
remap/chip ~ 300
cams ~400
port and polish ~ ???
not sure how the 2.0zetec responds to tuning, depends on what the std exhaust and inlet is like.
but that lot could be good for 40ish bhp :shrug:
things like cams and port&polish can kill your economy tho.
id imagine u could go for throttle bodies for 2k, i wouldnt bother with turbos because in the end itll cost a lot more
induction system - 0bhp increase, -2 if youre lucky
chip - 0hp, -5 - 1hp if youre lucky
cams - totally ruin drivability if not coupled with reworked head and bigger valves
The zetec is a piss poor choice for tuning tbqpfh im afraid..
Get it removed and get a real 16v engine - either a Vauxhall 2.016V or the more powerful and tunable D6C (Which unfortunately is a hell of a lot more expensive due to poor availability)
Quote from: Markinduction system - 0bhp increase, -2 if youre lucky
chip - 0hp, -5 - 1hp if youre lucky
cams - totally ruin drivability if not coupled with reworked head and bigger valves
The zetec is a piss poor choice for tuning tbqpfh im afraid..
Get it removed and get a real 16v engine - either a Vauxhall 2.016V or the more powerful and tunable D6C (Which unfortunately is a hell of a lot more expensive due to poor availability)
like i said i dont know about zetecs, but what i quoted above takes the ZS180 to 220~ bhp, much easier to fit a supercharger tho.
40hp from a set of cams and a chip!
someone is yanking your chain!
40hp is a BIG gain - thats nearly 25%
You might get that from a set of throttle bodies and a big valve head tho.
Ã,£2k, would get you something like a Mk3 astra, with either a 2ltr turbo, V6 or XE.
Not to everyones tastes, but very good fun.
Id get 2.0L Ztec Focus and get one of those 8-ball gearshift knobs. :lol: A mild suspension upgrade is more palpable than modding an engine with questionable results. Driven with zeal, the 2.0 jobber in the little Focus can be loads of fun.
Quote from: Maldonadoa 3 door st170 is gonna be expensive, difficult to find, and most probably ragged. im thinking of getting a 2 litre zetec, and spending a bit on the engine. would work out much cheaper to buy and insure.
so... what would Ã,£2k get me on a 2l zetec engine?
mate your prolly better off finding something different tbh.
if you arent really badge sensitive then the last model Toledo 2.3 V5 might be something to look at. 170Bhp on post 2000 cars, good handling, good equipment levels. Its just a better looking VW Bora.
And get beaten off the line by a Ã,£700 Bx..............lol
Quote from: MarkAnd get beaten off the line by a Ã,£700 Bx..............lol
huh? which one? the 16v GTi 4x4 in stock form only did 0-60 with an over 10 second time, and flatted out at 115ish.
the standard GTi 16v wasnt as fast either. 8.4 0-60 and 135mph according to the dat ive got.
edit : though at least if you Buy a BX when you get bored you wont have to scrap it, you can just leave it there to rust away down the drains ;)
Your data is slightly off!
There is no such thing as a 4x4 16v The 4x4 was an 8V and pretty poor tbh
0-60 in 7.2-7.5 (Autocar test, and Official citroen figure) top speed 136mph for the 160hp 1.9 16V (Actually official test was 7.4, but as you know, french manufacturers in those days tested the car with half load in it to try and lower the insurance group!)
Dont know where you got 8.4 from - thats the 8V 0-60! (And its 8.3) - possibly the french only 2.0 with cat
Fuel economy is pantaloons tho at about 26-28 mpg.
It isnt likely to rust either - the body that isnt fibreglass is galvanised.
My first 16V was quicker than my CRX VTEC and my brothers 205 1.9GTi which sadly recently passed away...
I just pulled the data off a fanclub site, i assumed the 4x4 was a 16v as it _should_ be top of the range!
TBH while most of the BXs ive seen fm the early 90s have rust on them, and ive not seen many around for ages. Only one i can think of is an old fart round the corner who has had his since brand new, that one is Mint. The thing ive found with some of the French stuff is it has problems with usable power. The 205 1.9 was nicely fast in straight lines, but they skitter off the road if you push them really hard, and my old Astra 1.8 Estate used to bury them upto 60 because they just spin the wheels unless the driver is really careful, loads of power is great, but I for one would sooner have 20bhp less that I can use all of rather than a shedloads of power that i cant get to the road.
I like VW group stuff, with the exception of the very latest ones they are pretty reliable, drive well and they hold their value.
Often down to not using the manufacturers recommended tyres - when I wasnt using expensive rubber on the 16vs they were god awful for lighting the tyres up even up to 3rd gear - I stiffened the rear slightly and got good Michelins again and it went perfectly - still some spin but a lot better.
Quote from: Marklighting the tyres up even up to 3rd gear
Before i dropped a nice set of BFG Directionals on the astra I used to be able to kick the wheels in a similar fashion. Always amusing with the boy racers revving the crap out of their 1.1 to overtake. Knock it down a gear, floor it and watch them try and keep up.
Youll never convince most people the BX GTi was a good car. I know the drove well, but they arent exactly the prettiest car around, and never where. Also the dashboard makes my eyes water, Its really 80s in design, made the Mk1 GTIs i used to have look modern in comparison!
Theyre one of the ugliest cars ever made, but sometimes look ok.
The sound they make more than makes up for it though - best sounding 16 valver by far, and not much to touch them nowadays unless you go turbod!
For 2 grand you could get a Mark1 RS2000 Safari.
Wide body, old school pimpage, RWD and light weight. Its a proper giggle.
update: dealership found me a 3 door st170, should be getting it down for a test drive early next week
Quote from: Maldonadoupdate: dealership found me a 3 door st170, should be getting it down for a test drive early next week
Go for it :) My friend who has just had his new Seat Ibiza written off by sum idiot is looking for a totally untouched ST170 also.. Lucky bugger :(
deposit down :D should be mine in a couple of weeks as soon as i sort out some $$$
wouldnt the dealer prefer Ã,£Ã,£Ã,£Ã,£Ã,£?