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Found a tasty BMW Compact on an 02 plate, the rear wiper doesnt work and from what ive read its pretty common for them to burn out the motors which cost £200 new to replace.

If i were to buy the car, and didnt get round to replacing the motor would it pass its next MOT without the wiper? Is it only the front ones that are checked?

yep, rear one doesnt matter ;)

scrap yard?

Loads of cars dont have a rear wiper, therefore it must not be an MOT requirement. :)

Checked ebay for a 2nd hand/reconditioned?

Quote from: Clockd 0NeLoads of cars dont have a rear wiper, therefore it must not be an MOT requirement. :)

Checked ebay for a 2nd hand/reconditioned?

but if its there it might be requirement to work? like they say.. its not a legal requirement to carry a spare wheel,
but it must be legal if you do carry one - if not take it out before the MOT

take it off & put a plastic plug in its place maybe?

Good point, I never thought of that.

no that would not fail an mot.

Rear wiper not tested, spare tyre not tested.
Fitted or not, spare wheel carrier can fail if its insecure under the car.

Quote from: Clockd 0NeLoads of cars dont have a rear wiper, therefore it must not be an MOT requirement. :)

The mot requirement can change for different cars and age, ie: rear fog light not needed on pre 04/1980

Quote from: Clockd 0NeLoads of cars dont have a rear wiper, therefore it must not be an MOT requirement. :)

Checked ebay for a 2nd hand/reconditioned?

First thing i did before posting. £50 2nd hand ebay, probably cheaper from scrappy, but i wont be bothered if i dont have one :P

Quote from: Eggtasticobut if its there it might be requirement to work? like they say.. its not a legal requirement to carry a spare wheel,
but it must be legal if you do carry one - if not take it out before the MOT

take it off & put a plastic plug in its place maybe?

2nd thing i thought about before posting and why i asked, cus i thought about just removing the wiper altogether, im certain that would count towards passing rather than having to remove the motor itself. (i hope)

Spare tyre CAN be an MOT fail if its bald, but its not required.
If its bald, take it out.

If its fitted, it must work.

Quote from: soopahflySpare tyre CAN be an MOT fail if its bald, but its not required.
If its bald, take it out.

If its fitted, it must work.

No no no no no wrong

Quote from: soopahflySpare tyre CAN be an MOT fail if its bald, but its not required.
If its bald, take it out.

If its fitted, it must work.

They removed the requirement for a spare tyre out of the test for private vehicles.  If its there and not legal it doesnt matter anymore.  You CANNOT fail an MOT on having a bald spare, though if you ever put it on youre opening yourself up to 3 points and £60 from the coppers if they see it.  

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Quote from: soopahflySpare tyre CAN be an MOT fail if its bald, but its not required.
If its bald, take it out.

If its fitted, it must work.

No no no no no wrong

No no no no right.

If its bald and you leave it in the car at test time, it can be a fail.
As its not a requirement, you can remove it.

But like I said, If its fitted, Its got to work.

I fell foul of this when I took my old Delica to one of those Council run MOT places that the ambulance and Police use.
I failed for bald spare tyre and non functioning spot lights.
Removed the spare, covered the spots, retested and passed.

8.2 Wipers and Washers
http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_820.htm

Quote2. A wiper blade insecure, missing, or in such a condition that it does not clear the windscreen effectively to give the driver an adequate view of the road (through the windscreen) to the left and right sides of the vehicle, as well as to the front.

No mention of rear window then

No, you should be fine.
If you take the wiper arm off, then it could possibly be a fail as there would be a protrusion that could be dangerous to n00bish pedestrians.

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Quote from: filbert

Quote from: soopahflySpare tyre CAN be an MOT fail if its bald, but its not required.
If its bald, take it out.

If its fitted, it must work.

No no no no no wrong

No no no no right.

If its bald and you leave it in the car at test time, it can be a fail.
As its not a requirement, you can remove it.

But like I said, If its fitted, Its got to work.

I fell foul of this when I took my old Delica to one of those Council run MOT places that the ambulance and Police use.
I failed for bald spare tyre and non functioning spot lights.
Removed the spare, covered the spots, retested and passed.

Quote from: soopahfly8.2 Wipers and Washers
http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_820.htm

Quote from: soopahflyNo, you should be fine.
If you take the wiper arm off, then it could possibly be a fail as there would be a protrusion that could be dangerous to n00bish pedestrians.

Why do you persist when you clearly dont know.
whoever failed your spare was wrong, its NOT a testable item
Your link to section 8.2 clearly states *windscreen* no mention of rear window, the rear wiper is NOT a testable item
Any protrusion can only fail if its corroded, as the rear wiper isnt tested it doesnt matter either way.

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Quote from: soopahfly

Quote from: filbert

Quote from: soopahflySpare tyre CAN be an MOT fail if its bald, but its not required.
If its bald, take it out.

If its fitted, it must work.

No no no no no wrong

No no no no right.

If its bald and you leave it in the car at test time, it can be a fail.
As its not a requirement, you can remove it.

But like I said, If its fitted, Its got to work.

I fell foul of this when I took my old Delica to one of those Council run MOT places that the ambulance and Police use.
I failed for bald spare tyre and non functioning spot lights.
Removed the spare, covered the spots, retested and passed.

Quote from: soopahfly8.2 Wipers and Washers
http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_820.htm

Quote from: soopahflyNo, you should be fine.
If you take the wiper arm off, then it could possibly be a fail as there would be a protrusion that could be dangerous to n00bish pedestrians.

Why do you persist when you clearly dont know.
whoever failed your spare was wrong, its NOT a testable item
Your link to section 8.2 clearly states *windscreen* no mention of rear window, the rear wiper is NOT a testable item
Any protrusion can only fail if its corroded, as the rear wiper isnt tested it doesnt matter either way.

Id prefer to take my advice from a proper council run MOT station, than whatever bodger you use.

I never said that the rear wiper was a failure, just that potentially it could be under the "if its fitted it must work" category, I posted the link to the MOT testers manual to show that it wasnt.
Ive run enough ropey cars in my life to know what things do actually constitute a failure or an advisory.

if its fitted it must work. take the spindle off and youre laughing.

thats not internet hearsay, thats from my friend the mot tester who loosley tests all my motors.

however not all testers bother reading the rulebook,hence why this argument is devloping in this thread.

Quote from: soopahflyId prefer to take my advice from a proper council run MOT station, than whatever bodger you use.

I never said that the rear wiper was a failure, just that potentially it could be under the "if its fitted it must work" category, I posted the link to the MOT testers manual to show that it wasnt.
Ive run enough ropey cars in my life to know what things do actually constitute a failure or an advisory.

If a tester is telling you that then you need to go to a different test station, as he clearly doesnt know what hes talking about.

From your suggested website ::
"This inspection applies to

Tyres fitted to the road wheels only.  The vehicle presenter should be informed when it is noticed that there is a defective tyre on a spare wheel."

http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_410.htm

AA Website ::

"Spare tyre

There is no legal obligation to carry a spare tyre and it does not have to comply with the legal requirements while it is stowed away. However, when fitted to the vehicle (for example, following a puncture) it must then comply with the law. A spare tyre is not a testable item in the MOT test, though the examiner may draw your attention to an unserviceable item as a matter of courtesy. "

http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/legal-advice/tyres.html

Department For Transport PDF document ::

"Tyres and wheels: Condition, security, tyre size/type and tread depth.
Spare tyres are not inspected."

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/CONT071791.pdf

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Quote from: filbert

Quote from: soopahfly

Quote from: filbert

Quote from: soopahflySpare tyre CAN be an MOT fail if its bald, but its not required.
If its bald, take it out.

If its fitted, it must work.

No no no no no wrong

No no no no right.

If its bald and you leave it in the car at test time, it can be a fail.
As its not a requirement, you can remove it.

But like I said, If its fitted, Its got to work.

I fell foul of this when I took my old Delica to one of those Council run MOT places that the ambulance and Police use.
I failed for bald spare tyre and non functioning spot lights.
Removed the spare, covered the spots, retested and passed.

Quote from: soopahfly8.2 Wipers and Washers
http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_820.htm

Quote from: soopahflyNo, you should be fine.
If you take the wiper arm off, then it could possibly be a fail as there would be a protrusion that could be dangerous to n00bish pedestrians.

Why do you persist when you clearly dont know.
whoever failed your spare was wrong, its NOT a testable item
Your link to section 8.2 clearly states *windscreen* no mention of rear window, the rear wiper is NOT a testable item
Any protrusion can only fail if its corroded, as the rear wiper isnt tested it doesnt matter either way.

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Id prefer to take my advice from a proper council run MOT station, than whatever bodger you use.

I never said that the rear wiper was a failure, just that potentially it could be under the "if its fitted it must work" category, I posted the link to the MOT testers manual to show that it wasnt.
Ive run enough ropey cars in my life to know what things do actually constitute a failure or an advisory.

Ive worked in a garage all my working life, over 35 years, Ive been a mot tester for over 25 of them years, Ive been a quality controller over other testers for many years.

Like I said, why do you persist when you clearly dont know.  

Quote from: bytejunkieif its fitted it must work. take the spindle off and youre laughing.

thats not internet hearsay, thats from my friend the mot tester who loosley tests all my motors.

however not all testers bother reading the rulebook,hence why this argument is devloping in this thread.

Your friend doesnt know what hes doing.

 I had my car MOT'ed and serviced last May when I went to pick it up I asked if it had needed anything doing? he said he needed to replace the front wiper blades, so I asked him if the back one was ok? his reply was they don't look at it for the MOT.

MOTd mine in March.  Bribed the garage.  Simples.

Car in question
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2002-BMW-316TI-SE-COMPACT-BLUE-/120657531841?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item1c17bfd3c1#payId

It ended yesterday on £1600, without reaching its reserve.

Today it gets relisted and funnily enough has 18 bids already, by 2 new ebay users, which has taken it upto you guessed it £1600.

I wont be bothering now.

when we got my little sisters first car she complained that the rear wiper didnt work very well. Dad and I had a look at it and the rubber was completely warn away, I think it was the original factory fit blade (car was 10+ years old at the time). If that passed an MOT, Id say they dont check them!